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Posted: 11/16/2010 11:51:43 AM EDT
I noticed the 100pack of ammo I got from gander for $30 said ae223, not xm193 like the 20 round box i bought elsewhere said. Im assuming its actually loaded to 223 specs? Also, its 223 brass, not lake city 5.56 brass. Fooled me cause everything else on the box is idential, just never took the time to read it carefully
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Posted: 11/16/2010 12:07:42 PM EDT
[#1]
If it shots and shoots straight...... I'll be fine with it.
I bought some of the same.... When the idiot that lives down the street get hungry and there is no food at the store.. that .223 will slow him down just the same |
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Posted: 11/16/2010 1:27:07 PM EDT
[#2]
I was wondering the same thing.
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Posted: 11/16/2010 3:00:20 PM EDT
[#3]
I wonder if they use the same bullet in AE .223 as XM193
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Posted: 11/16/2010 3:13:51 PM EDT
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Last time I shot AE in any quantity, it was loaded slower than XM193, with a noticeable difference in rate of fire on full auto.
At the time (2001-2002 timeframe), my chrono showed it to be 100-150fps slower than XM193 and south african 55gr milsurp from the same 20" rifle. |
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Posted: 11/16/2010 7:41:47 PM EDT
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I've noticed the AE223 packaged in the all black boxes with the eagle on it, previously only the XM193 had that "look"
Now you've got to be careful to read the label to be sure you are getting XM193 is you want the full power 5.56 load. Also, I've noticed some online sellers advertising XM193 but showing a picture of the black box/eagle/and AE223 words on it. I won't order from them if they can't get the description and the picture right, who knows what they'll ship. I may be a little off track, so in conclusion, YES, AE223 and XM193 are not equal, but the boxes now look deceptively similar. |
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Posted: 11/16/2010 8:08:57 PM EDT
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No, AE223 and XM193 are not the same.
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Posted: 11/17/2010 7:08:06 PM EDT
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Not the same at all. Not even the same type of bullet. Generally .223 AE shoots about 1.5" - 2" lower from my AR's.
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Posted: 11/18/2010 10:19:00 AM EDT
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AE .223 is good stuff IMO but it is not xm193. Shoots with less velocity. Don't know about the bullet. AE .223 can be decent SHTF ammo if you can find it at a goood price. 4073 |
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Posted: 11/18/2010 10:57:25 AM EDT
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It was simpler back in the day when AE came in the red boxes and M193 was just in the plain white or brown boxes. AE is fine plinking ammo, but it's downright anemic when compared to M193.
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Posted: 11/18/2010 2:32:32 PM EDT
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I like it a lot. It shoots really well out of the two rifles that I have, bot 1/7 and 1/9. It will hold about an inch @ 50, and about 2 @ 100. So, does anybody know about the bullet construction????? I don't have a chono, but felt recoil is noticeably different. Does anybody have an actual FPS difference? Thanks, 9080
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Posted: 11/20/2010 7:01:00 PM EDT
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It's not as anemic as I would think. Federal did some tests from Colt M4 (14.5" barrel) and the velocity was approx. 2869 feet per second (55 grain). At 10 meters, penetration was 14.5" through bare gel (19.8 grain retained weight), 12.25" against heavy clothing (44.3 grain retained weight) and 16" against steel (retained weight 54.1 grain - no fragmentation at all against steel).
I would use it for SHTF if I was on a budget. |
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Posted: 11/20/2010 8:55:52 PM EDT
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What kind of accuracy are you guys getting out of AE223? Is it the same round that comes in the Federal 100 round value packs sold at Wal Mart? I'm thinking about switching over to AE223 as my primary practice round from PMC Bronze since a local gun shop sells them both for $5.99 a box. I get just under 2 MOA out of PMC Bronze but I wouldn't mind something that's a bit more accurate for the same price.
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Posted: 11/21/2010 5:17:04 AM EDT
[#13]
Accuracy for the AE223 isn't bad. I shoot about 1.5" at 50 yards, give or take a tad. That's through a 16" Bushmaster barrel with an Eotech. It's very good plinking ammo.
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Posted: 11/21/2010 10:23:22 AM EDT
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I have a few K of XM193 and M855, that is what I call my "tier one" ammo. I have about 5 k of the AE Tac. .223. It is still great ammo, I just cal it my "tier two" ammo, along with some UMC stuff. maybe not as good as the "real deal", but a worthy ammo, when can be had for the right price.
Did anybody ever figure out if there is indeed a different bullet? Molon, where are you here? Take care, 9080 |
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Posted: 11/21/2010 1:23:24 PM EDT
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Did anybody ever figure out if there is indeed a different bullet? Molon, where are you here? Take care, 9080 It's definitely a different bullet. Put one round of XM193 and AE223 side by side. It's pretty obvious. |
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Posted: 11/22/2010 9:52:45 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I have a few K of XM193 and M855, that is what I call my "tier one" ammo. I have about 5 k of the AE Tac. .223. It is still great ammo, I just cal it my "tier two" ammo, along with some UMC stuff. maybe not as good as the "real deal", but a worthy ammo, when can be had for the right price. Did anybody ever figure out if there is indeed a different bullet? Molon, where are you here? Take care, 9080 careful with UMC, people have problems and i avoided one luckily. They half-ass crimp them so its fine in a bolt gun, but in an ar especially, the bullet can get shoved into the case upon feeding causing it to overpressurize if you fire it. This can blow your gun up basically. Ruined upper, blown bolt, swelled lower in extreme cases... I had it happen but It got stuck on the feed ramp area and never fed. Thank you for the replies guys. If I get .223 I ussually use brown bear, and got this to sight in my red dot for 193 since Im trying to stock up. I just started and have 500 rounds of .223  . Oh well, Guess I have plinking ammo for a while. I dont care to stock up on .223 because of the reduced frag range. Anyone know off hand what the velocity out of a 16" barrel is for the ae223(general velocity or something close). Thank you.
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Posted: 11/23/2010 6:54:50 AM EDT
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2869 fps out of 14.5" barrel according to Federal (55 grains). AE223 is not as anemic as other .223 loading. If you zeroed your rifle "dead on" at 100 yards with the 223 AE, with the XM193 you will be about 2" (give or take .5") high. You will need to re-adjust the windage (it can be 1.5" to the left or right, depending on the rifle).
All in all, if you're just using the ammo for self defense / practice / plinking, you can just use pretty much any .223 / 5.56 combo for the COM hits (make sure whatever ammo you select will cycle reliably in your rifles). For punching tight round groups on paper, you'd need to stick to one brand of ammo - and XM193 / AE223 ain't going to be your first choice for that purpose 
ETA; I didn't catch the phrase "RDS" in your post above. In my experience, the difference in POI between AE223 and XM-193 would be even less when I am using Aimpoint T-1 and M4/S. I think that's because I am not nearly as consistent with irons than with RDS. Old age and all that, you know. |
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Posted: 11/23/2010 6:32:58 PM EDT
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Quoted:
It's not as anemic as I would think. Federal did some tests from Colt M4 (14.5" barrel) and the velocity was approx. 2869 feet per second (55 grain). Meanwhile, back at the ranch, XM193 is zipping along at 3000 FPS when fired from a 14.5" Colt M4 barrel. 
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Posted: 11/23/2010 6:33:56 PM EDT
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Did anybody ever figure out if there is indeed a different bullet? Molon, where are you here? 
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Posted: 11/24/2010 9:39:34 AM EDT
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Quoted:
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It's not as anemic as I would think. Federal did some tests from Colt M4 (14.5" barrel) and the velocity was approx. 2869 feet per second (55 grain). Meanwhile, back at the ranch, XM193 is zipping along at 3000 FPS when fired from a 14.5" Colt M4 barrel.
That's why my anemic pocket book chose XM-193 over AE223. I like 3000 fps better than 2869 fps. |
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Posted: 11/24/2010 1:12:11 PM EDT
[#21]
Oklay, so is there a real construction difference in the Two? Thanks, 9080
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Posted: 11/25/2010 10:46:40 AM EDT
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Oklay, so is there a real construction difference in the Two? Not so much. They both use a cheap 55 grain full-metal-jacket boat-tailed bullet with a cannelure. |
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Posted: 11/25/2010 11:32:23 AM EDT
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I chronographed both, the AE was just above 3000fps the Xm193 was around 3250fps, the wolf suprisingly was right about 3000fps although it feels weaker. This was from a 20" barrel the 16" barrel lost roughly 150fps in all rounds tested.
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Posted: 11/25/2010 12:22:51 PM EDT
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To add to the confustion there is also 193 with the Federal or American Eagle headstamp out there IIRC. I'll need to check to be sure but I think I've seen some XMAE193, American Eagle branded 5.56 pressure rounds.
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Posted: 11/26/2010 7:55:29 PM EDT
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Can anyone tell me why I only see a red x on some images? For instance on Molon's posts of just the last couple of days.
Thanks |
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Posted: 11/28/2010 7:34:22 PM EDT
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I picked up 500 rounds of AE223 from Cabela's today for $150. I didn't think $6/box was too bad...
Considering Cabela's had a "deal" going... 1K of this ammo, in a brand new .50 caliber ammo can for $349.00. I really didn't think a new .50 caliber ammo can was worth $50, but came really close to picking up another 500 rounds. |
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Posted: 12/1/2010 7:11:59 AM EDT
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Hey guys I'm new to the site but just wanted to drop a bit of info on the difference between XM193 and AE223. American Eagle Arms is owned by the company I work for. I'm proud to say I make both rounds! The AE223 is a GOOD plinker but not a tack driver! The AE223 was mfrd. as an "OHF" or "Over Head Fire training round" and when the Govt. stockpile gets full it ALL goes civillian. The Cannelure has a noticeable difference in the fact that one is higher than the other, hence that one gets seated deeper (XM193) to help retain pressure in the cartridge to give it the longevity of flight and accuracy as a bonus. AE223 is an LC bullet but is loaded elswhere when seen in an AE case or other than LC headstamp. From a projectile standpoint NOTHING on it is different in spec or quality, only the placement of the cannelure. I shoot both but our armed forces put their life on the line with XM193 and I do same! AE223 is great just not as hot a load or mil spec. as XM193. Hope that helps out a bit.
"Siepe Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Fraternas Infinitas" "Often tested, always faithful, brothers forever"! |
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Posted: 12/1/2010 5:25:25 PM EDT
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The difference between 5.56 and .223 is the powder charge, assuming it is 55 grain ball, .223 will have around 24 grains of a ball type powder, and 5.56 will have 27 to 28+ grains of ball powder. For instance, Fiocchi advertises their .223 55 g. to have the same velocity as 5.56 ball. It DOES, out of a .223 chambered barrel, but it does NOT out of a 5.56 chambered barrel. The Fiocchi is good ammo, but it has a 24 grain powder charge, and is .223 as marked on the box. Federal XM193 has a 28 grain charge, and is much hotter than the Fiocchi .223, of course, as the Federal is 5.56 ball, or as close as a civilian can get to it. So, and easy way to be able to tell if the 55 grain ammunition you have is .223 or 5.56 is to pull a bullet and weigh the powder charge. This method is not as fool proof as chronographing the load.
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Posted: 12/1/2010 8:41:41 PM EDT
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. . . our armed forces put their life on the line with XM193 . . . Name one single unit of the US Military that is currently using XM193 in combat. ..... |
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Posted: 12/1/2010 8:46:39 PM EDT
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The difference between 5.56 and .223 is the powder charge, assuming it is 55 grain ball, .223 will have around 24 grains of a ball type powder . . . Oh really? 
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Fiocchi advertises their .223 55 g. to have the same velocity as 5.56 ball. It DOES, out of a .223 chambered barrel . . . No, it doesn’t. The Fiocchi 55 grain FMJ load had a velocity of 3077 fps from a 20” Colt barrel with a NATO chamber. There is no way in hell that you are going to gain nearly 200 additional fps just by switching to a .223 Remington chamber. |
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Posted: 12/1/2010 9:35:29 PM EDT
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Yep, after all balls were laid on the table, and weighed, Molon is still the undisputed king!!!!!!!! Sorry Cranial, 1 post, and you just got called out by The Man. I am not one to raise the BS flag often, usually giving people the benefit of the doubt, but you speak of a bunch of crap you obviously know nothing about. BTW, when was the ast shootout that you were in, laying your life on the line? I like XM193. It is good stuff. I also like the XM.223. It is MOA in 2 od the 4 rifles I own. It does not suck. It is not TAP. It is not TSX. It is inexpensive .223 ammo of decent quality. 9080
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Posted: 12/1/2010 10:16:55 PM EDT
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I think Cranial has the cannular theory backwards? I noticed on Molon's pic that the ae cannular was set higher than xm. Maybe because the ae can be set deeper because less powder than the xm?
This is exactly why I never buy those black or red boxes. I don't know what I'm paying for! ETA: anybody have anything to day about the red box tracer rounds? I've almost pulled the trigger on buying those a few times for fun at the range. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:42:11 AM EDT
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Oh well, it was a good theory- - - -
I bow to you, Sir Molon.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 8:12:41 AM EDT
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Of interest= http://www.gun-shots.net/ballistics-chart.shtml
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:38:36 PM EDT
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Does this black box AE223 stuff have FC brass or LC brass?
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Posted: 12/8/2010 6:05:46 AM EDT
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Just picked up AE 223 from Wideners 500 rounds for 129 bucks! came to 140 after shipping, reading this post made me decide that it was good plinking ammo, i usually use privi m193 but i figured ied give this stuff a shot
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Posted: 12/8/2010 2:56:36 PM EDT
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Gander Mountain is running this AE223 for $29.99 again this week, with a $10.00 rebate, limit one rebate to household. I bought 3 this morning, never had a problem with it.
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Posted: 12/8/2010 3:00:58 PM EDT
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So is that 29.99 less a 10.00 rebate? or with the rebate? Thanks, 9080
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Posted: 12/8/2010 3:24:08 PM EDT
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I paid $29.99 plus tax, they gave me the $10.00 mail in rebate coupon along with my sales receipt.
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Posted: 12/8/2010 4:42:52 PM EDT
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What kind of accuracy are you guys getting out of AE223? Is it the same round that comes in the Federal 100 round value packs sold at Wal Mart? I'm thinking about switching over to AE223 as my primary practice round from PMC Bronze since a local gun shop sells them both for $5.99 a box. I get just under 2 MOA out of PMC Bronze but I wouldn't mind something that's a bit more accurate for the same price. I have compared AE223 and PMC and found the AE to be more consistent with less fliers. It seems as though the PMC I have is capable of being quite accurate (for cheap ammo, that is), but you always get a couple shots that ruin a good grouping, whereas the AE is generally all fairly accurate with very few strays. |
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Posted: 12/8/2010 4:46:53 PM EDT
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I picked up 500 rounds of AE223 from Cabela's today for $150. I didn't think $6/box was too bad... Considering Cabela's had a "deal" going... 1K of this ammo, in a brand new .50 caliber ammo can for $349.00. I really didn't think a new .50 caliber ammo can was worth $50, but came really close to picking up another 500 rounds. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but neither one of those deals were "deals." Maybe two years ago during the wacky season...but now? 
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Posted: 12/8/2010 5:02:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Damn, the Gander Mtn up here had the same ammo for $39.99 when I bought two boxes last week.
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Posted: 12/10/2010 9:47:47 AM EDT
[#43]
I bought four boxes of the $29.95 AE .223 from Gander Mountain with the $20 off $100 coupon that was valid a week or so ago off their web site. They shipped me a sealed case (5x100rd boxes) So essentially I paid $106 for 500 rds. I checked the receipt and total and sure enough it says 4x100rd boxes. Who knows maybe it was easier to ship or something.
It is $29.95 in store as well. |
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Posted: 12/10/2010 5:05:26 PM EDT
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I picked up 500 rounds of AE223 from Cabela's today for $150. I didn't think $6/box was too bad... Considering Cabela's had a "deal" going... 1K of this ammo, in a brand new .50 caliber ammo can for $349.00. I really didn't think a new .50 caliber ammo can was worth $50, but came really close to picking up another 500 rounds. I too went to Cabelas and bought 17 boxes @ 5.99 = $101.83, then use the $30 off Credit Card coupon that they mailed out which dropped it to $71.83 and then to top it off I used $20 in Cabela points to get 17 boxes @ $51.83 $3.04 a box or ,15 cents a round is a sweet deal. |
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Posted: 12/11/2010 4:09:20 AM EDT
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If im going to buy ammo i want lake city. I dont want American eagle stuff made by federal, I had too meny problems with their AE 150gr fmj in .308
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Posted: 12/11/2010 8:43:29 AM EDT
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Does anyone know if the brass in the black box AE223 is worth reloading. Headstamp, in small font, is "FC 223 REM" and is crimped around the primer. Is this same brass as FC's commercial brass with the Large font letters and numbers? Thanks, Dave
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Posted: 12/11/2010 9:19:10 AM EDT
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The difference between 5.56 and .223 is the powder charge, assuming it is 55 grain ball, .223 will have around 24 grains of a ball type powder . . . Oh really? http://www.box.net/shared/static/7802nuz2s3.jpg Quoted:
Fiocchi advertises their .223 55 g. to have the same velocity as 5.56 ball. It DOES, out of a .223 chambered barrel . . . No, it doesn’t. The Fiocchi 55 grain FMJ load had a velocity of 3077 fps from a 20” Colt barrel with a NATO chamber. There is no way in hell that you are going to gain nearly 200 additional fps just by switching to a .223 Remington chamber. Molon I would say you owned him, but wherever you bought that, owned you. Is it correct to say the H335 is similar to the powder used in XM193? |
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Posted: 12/11/2010 7:46:55 PM EDT
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I also got some AE223 from Cabela's dirt cheap. I have never used this stuff till this afternoon. Shot it out of two rifles. Both are 16'' barrels. One with a FSC 556 comp and the other with a Smith DC comp. The rifle with the Smith comp put out a HUGE fireball! I usually am not bothered by a little flash, but it turned my AR into a flame thrower. Is this common for AE223?
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Posted: 12/12/2010 5:33:27 AM EDT
[#49]
I went to my local Gander yesterday and picked up 100 more rounds of the Federal on sale, I have never been offered a rebate though?? wondering if I should go back and ask for one.
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Posted: 12/21/2010 2:31:53 PM EDT
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You hit the bad guy with either round, he won't know the difference, he'll drop the same no matter what ammo hits him.
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