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Posted: 10/7/2010 2:19:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
I would like to see the "Mean Radius" post under the Molon reference links Done! http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=512887 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=467880&page=1 |
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Posted: 10/7/2010 3:52:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Molon: ThanksOriginally Posted By kingoftheroad: I would like to see the "Mean Radius" post under the Molon reference links Done! http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=512887 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=467880&page=1 |
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Posted: 10/19/2010 12:38:13 AM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By bernieb99:
By the way what software are you using for stability, and targets? RSI Shooting Lab, On Target and Adobe Illustrator. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 1:34:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#4]
Originally Posted By capitolP: That dog needs ear-pro  .P She wasn't too crazy about the idea.   Attached File |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:12:37 PM EDT
[#5]
Molon, any idea when ballistic gel test data will become available on the MK 318 Mod 0 ?
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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:16:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#6]
Originally Posted By 583:
Molon, any idea when ballistic gel test data will become available on the MK 318 Mod 0 ? The Doc said it will be six weeks before he has some range-time to test it. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 8:09:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By 583:
Molon, any idea when ballistic gel test data will become available on the MK 318 Mod 0 ? The Doc said it will be six weeks before he has some range-time to test it. Thank you, I'm sitting on some and have to admit that I haven't taken to the range yet. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:49:18 PM EDT
[#8]
Looking forward to that big time...very curious.
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By 583:
Molon, any idea when ballistic gel test data will become available on the MK 318 Mod 0 ? The Doc said it will be six weeks before he has some range-time to test it. |
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Posted: 11/2/2010 5:27:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#9]
Originally Posted By BRONZ:
Seriously Molon needs deserves his own sub section. Zhukov has been hard at work . . . Collected Posts by Molon |
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Posted: 11/3/2010 10:13:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bettendorf]
[#10]
Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. 
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Posted: 11/4/2010 2:28:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. Thank you and Thanks to Molon for taking time to post their results. So it looks like the acceptance standard for this ammo really is only around 3-4 MOA ES. I think a lot of people, myself included, were inclined to think that the stuff found on the civilian market were rejects rather than overruns, based on the fact that the accuracy was not as good as what was advertised on those govt. powerpoint slides. I'm guessing that the acceptance standard must have been lowered. If the ammo Federal is selling to the public are indeed rejects rather than overruns it appears that they were rejected for reasons other than accuracy. Note that Bettendorf's groups are at 50m (55 yards) rather than 100 yards. These groups are consistent with what Molon was getting if he were to shoot at the same range. |
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Posted: 11/5/2010 2:08:04 AM EDT
[#12]
Where are you guys seeing this ammo for sale?
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Posted: 11/5/2010 10:53:45 AM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Where are you guys seeing this ammo for sale? Palmetto State Armory is where I purchased mine, good folks I might add. |
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Posted: 11/13/2010 11:43:51 AM EDT
[#14]
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. 
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Posted: 11/13/2010 7:57:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bettendorf]
[#15]
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. http://www.box.net/shared/static/ovx2lv3z1y.jpg Thanks! I wish I had done more shooting but it was hot and bedtime was coming and next time I'll do ten round groups. I don't know what I thinking. I hope to have more groups to post soon out of the same gun and ammo. |
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Posted: 11/14/2010 7:21:21 AM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg I know this is the ammo forum but that is a hell of a nice rifle. Thanks for posting your groups too
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Posted: 11/14/2010 9:02:06 AM EDT
[#17]
anyone tried pulling the bullets then reloading them with better cases and powder? I am curiious if that would help accuracy
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Posted: 11/14/2010 12:46:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
anyone tried pulling the bullets then reloading them with better cases and powder? I am curiious if that would help accuracy Indeed. Read page 1 of this thread. Molon made his own hand loads and posted the results before evaluating the loaded ammo. |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 12:10:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Vapor-Trail]
[#19]
Originally Posted By littlejerry:
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
anyone tried pulling the bullets then reloading them with better cases and powder? I am curiious if that would help accuracy Indeed. Read page 1 of this thread. Molon made his own hand loads and posted the results before evaluating the loaded ammo. Yeah the best he got was around 2 MOA ES and from his other posts we know that Molon is an excellent shooter. I really am thinking that this ammo was meant to be no more accurate than 4 MOA ES for two reasons: 1) This ammo was to be made on high speed loading equipment. 2) It was to cost as close to current ammo as possible. If you tried to do better than that you end up with MK262 which is more expensive and less available. Certainly not to be loaded into SAW belts like some were doing. This stuff was meant to be blasting ammo for SOCOM/Marines...with better terminal effect. This is just an opinion BTW |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 12:26:39 AM EDT
[#20]
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. http://www.box.net/shared/static/ovx2lv3z1y.jpg Thanks! I wish I had done more shooting but it was hot and bedtime was coming and next time I'll do ten round groups. I don't know what I thinking. I hope to have more groups to post soon out of the same gun and ammo. Do you have any groups of the ammo you were issued before you got this stuff? |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 11:13:20 AM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601: anyone tried pulling the bullets then reloading them with better cases and powder? I am curiious if that would help accuracy Don't forget that this was with an unmagnified optic. It's combat ammo, not match ammo. |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 11:36:28 AM EDT
[#22]
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
anyone tried pulling the bullets then reloading them with better cases and powder? I am curiious if that would help accuracy Don't forget that this was with an unmagnified optic. It's combat ammo, not match ammo. Which are you referring to? |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 12:12:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601: anyone tried pulling the bullets then reloading them with better cases and powder? I am curiious if that would help accuracy Don't forget that this was with an unmagnified optic. It's combat ammo, not match ammo. Which are you referring to? I assume Shawnmt6601 was referring to the Mk318 accuracy reported by Bettendorf. |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 5:41:10 PM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
anyone tried pulling the bullets then reloading them with better cases and powder? I am curiious if that would help accuracy Don't forget that this was with an unmagnified optic. It's combat ammo, not match ammo. Which are you referring to? I assume Shawnmt6601 was referring to the Mk318 accuracy reported by Bettendorf. yeah I know. I dont think its terrible results. I am just curious if anyone beside Molon has used the bullets in match loads to try to eliminate what makes the "military" offering not as accurate, mainly I wonder if the bullets are made to a higher quality and the rest is lacking |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 5:45:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bettendorf]
[#25]
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. http://www.box.net/shared/static/ovx2lv3z1y.jpg Thanks! I wish I had done more shooting but it was hot and bedtime was coming and next time I'll do ten round groups. I don't know what I thinking. I hope to have more groups to post soon out of the same gun and ammo. Do you have any groups of the ammo you were issued before you got this stuff? I just looked and I don't. Sorry. |
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Posted: 11/15/2010 7:11:30 PM EDT
[#26]
I don't know if this has been posted, I might have talked about it on another thread, MK318 runs out of a M249 both through mags and linked.
We linked up a couple hundred round links and didn't have any problems. |
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Posted: 11/18/2010 1:46:25 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. http://www.box.net/shared/static/ovx2lv3z1y.jpg Thanks! I wish I had done more shooting but it was hot and bedtime was coming and next time I'll do ten round groups. I don't know what I thinking. I hope to have more groups to post soon out of the same gun and ammo. Awesome. If you could possibley manage, can you post some pics of the boxes and any other packaging that the issued MK318 Mod 0 comes in? Thanks, Molon |
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Posted: 11/18/2010 2:08:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bettendorf]
[#28]
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. http://www.box.net/shared/static/ovx2lv3z1y.jpg Thanks! I wish I had done more shooting but it was hot and bedtime was coming and next time I'll do ten round groups. I don't know what I thinking. I hope to have more groups to post soon out of the same gun and ammo. Awesome. If you could possibley manage, can you post some pics of the boxes and any other packaging that the issued MK318 Mod 0 comes in? Thanks, Molon 
that's all I have for now. If I remember right, it's packaged just like M855. Wooden case wired bound with two 840 round metal cans. Of course I could be completely wrong. I just can't remember for sure. Edit to fix how M855 is issued. The MK318 just might be issued the way Aim sells it./ I can't remember. Also, I had more pictures but someone liked my digital camera more than me. |
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Posted: 11/18/2010 7:07:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. http://www.box.net/shared/static/ovx2lv3z1y.jpg Thanks! I wish I had done more shooting but it was hot and bedtime was coming and next time I'll do ten round groups. I don't know what I thinking. I hope to have more groups to post soon out of the same gun and ammo. Awesome. If you could possibley manage, can you post some pics of the boxes and any other packaging that the issued MK318 Mod 0 comes in? Thanks, Molon http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01249.jpg that's all I have for now. If I remember right, it's packaged just like M855. Wooden case wired bound with two 640 round metal cans. Of course I could be completely wrong. I just can't remember for sure. Aim has this is in stock for $15/20rds! The box is exactly the same but has a brown sticker instead of white. 
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Posted: 11/25/2010 2:34:00 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01216.jpg Eotech 553 not 556. Typo. I slowed it down for groups 3 and 4. No too great but here you go. Not as well done as Molon's. Now I'm going to read his posts and waste about an hour of my life away. Thanks for the hard work, OP. http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01237.jpg Thanks for posting this! Taking your 3rd and 4th 5-shot groups and overlaying them to form a 10-shot group, produced an extreme spread of 1.98", which at 50 meters (54.6 yards) equates to 3.46 MOA. http://www.box.net/shared/static/ovx2lv3z1y.jpg Thanks! I wish I had done more shooting but it was hot and bedtime was coming and next time I'll do ten round groups. I don't know what I thinking. I hope to have more groups to post soon out of the same gun and ammo. Awesome. If you could possibley manage, can you post some pics of the boxes and any other packaging that the issued MK318 Mod 0 comes in? Thanks, Molon http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/Bettendorf/DSC01249.jpg that's all I have for now. If I remember right, it's packaged just like M855. Wooden case wired bound with two 840 round metal cans. Of course I could be completely wrong. I just can't remember for sure. Edit to fix how M855 is issued. The MK318 just might be issued the way Aim sells it./ I can't remember. Also, I had more pictures but someone liked my digital camera more than me. 
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Posted: 11/26/2010 6:54:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: InfiniteGrim]
[#31]
I was Impressed by the accurracy, compared to what I was expecting it performed well.
I honestly think I could have done better with these groups, but I had to go to a public range, and public ranges in PA are very strict about 3rds in the magazine. So I had to shoot 3 shots, reload 2 more rounds into the mag, and shoot teh last two shots. Both five shot groups were fired right after one another so they were overlayed to create a 10shot group. 
DAMN IT ON TARGET: 
Above 1.90moa 
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Posted: 11/26/2010 7:40:52 PM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I was Impressed by the accurracy, compared to what I was expecting it performed well. I honestly think I could have done better with these groups, but I had to go to a public range, and public ranges in PA are very strict about 3rds in the magazine. So I had to shoot 3 shots, reload 2 more rounds into the mag, and shoot teh last two shots. Both five shot groups were fired right after one another so they were overlayed to create a 10shot group. http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4672/p1110587.jpg http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7555/mk3181.jpg DAMN IT ON TARGET: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/853/mk3182.jpg Above 1.90moa http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6995/mk3183.jpg Above: 2.06moa Nice work! What barrel/chamber did you use? |
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Posted: 11/26/2010 11:28:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: InfiniteGrim]
[#33]
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I was Impressed by the accurracy, compared to what I was expecting it performed well. I honestly think I could have done better with these groups, but I had to go to a public range, and public ranges in PA are very strict about 3rds in the magazine. So I had to shoot 3 shots, reload 2 more rounds into the mag, and shoot teh last two shots. Both five shot groups were fired right after one another so they were overlayed to create a 10shot group. http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4672/p1110587.jpg http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7555/mk3181.jpg DAMN IT ON TARGET: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/853/mk3182.jpg Above 1.90moa http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6995/mk3183.jpg Above: 2.06moa Nice work! What barrel/chamber did you use? Lothar Walthar 18" I think its a 5.56 chamber, but it could be a .223 wylde. Its the exact same barrel/cahmber LaRue Stealths use. |
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Posted: 11/27/2010 12:01:02 AM EDT
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So maybe I missed the details on it's accuracy vs M855, what are some of the comparisons there? I can't vouch for my personal M855 experiences from my M-4, mostly because I'm still trying to dial in my Elcan.
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Posted: 12/12/2010 10:15:55 PM EDT
[#35]
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
So maybe I missed the details on it's accuracy vs M855, what are some of the comparisons there? 
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Posted: 12/21/2010 1:04:02 PM EDT
[#36]
The table below shows an accuracy comparison of MK318 Mod 0 with several other "mil-spec" loads.
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Posted: 1/3/2011 10:19:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: InfiniteGrim]
[#37]
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I was Impressed by the accurracy, compared to what I was expecting it performed well. I honestly think I could have done better with these groups, but I had to go to a public range, and public ranges in PA are very strict about 3rds in the magazine. So I had to shoot 3 shots, reload 2 more rounds into the mag, and shoot teh last two shots. Both five shot groups were fired right after one another so they were overlayed to create a 10shot group. http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4672/p1110587.jpg http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7555/mk3181.jpg DAMN IT ON TARGET: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/853/mk3182.jpg Above 1.90moa http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6995/mk3183.jpg Above: 2.06moa Nice work! What barrel/chamber did you use? Lothar Walthar 18" I think its a 5.56 chamber, but it could be a .223 wylde. Its the exact same barrel/cahmber LaRue Stealths use. Finally got my 6x scope "zeroed", unfortunetly I went the wrong way adjustments wise going from 50 yards to 100yards. 
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Posted: 1/16/2011 2:19:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By 583:
Molon, any idea when ballistic gel test data will become available on the MK 318 Mod 0 ? Courtesy of bscoeod . . . 
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Posted: 1/16/2011 3:41:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Thanks Molon, I don't know I missed his thread.
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Posted: 8/19/2011 7:48:58 PM EDT
[#40]
Impressive.
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Posted: 8/20/2011 3:34:31 AM EDT
[#41]
A couple of pictures from Afghanistan last year. I was using AA53 (MK262 Mod 1), but this is what we were using in the M16A4's and M4's. |
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Posted: 8/28/2011 4:55:51 AM EDT
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Great work as usual, Molon!
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Posted: 8/28/2011 12:26:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By Mister_H: So, from an "in the field" point of view, what is your opinion of the accuracy and downrange effectiveness of the Mk318 load?http://i56.tinypic.com/2vn0wft.png http://i51.tinypic.com/2livcap.png A couple of pictures from Afghanistan last year. I was using AA53 (MK262 Mod 1), but this is what we were using in the M16A4's and M4's. |
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Posted: 8/28/2011 2:49:35 PM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By eric10mm:
Originally Posted By Mister_H:
So, from an "in the field" point of view, what is your opinion of the accuracy and downrange effectiveness of the Mk318 load?
http://i56.tinypic.com/2vn0wft.png http://i51.tinypic.com/2livcap.png A couple of pictures from Afghanistan last year. I was using AA53 (MK262 Mod 1), but this is what we were using in the M16A4's and M4's. The hits that I saw with this ammo weren't extremely flattering from a terminal standpoint. A lot goes into play like distance and angles and location of the wounds. The variables are numerous and the environment the ammo was used in was not controlled to say the least. I've personally seen a hit to the back about 4 inches below the scapula and 3 inches to the right of the spine. The round hit the rib cage and traveled along the rib, exiting about 8-10 inches away from the entry wound and exited 3 inches below the right armpit. The entry wound was about 3/8 inch and the exit wound was about 7/8 - 1 inch in diameter. The other wounds I saw were on appendages and they went straight through. Again the entry wounds appeared to be about 3/8 inch and exit wounds were 3/4 - 1 inch. The only other wound I'd seen was an abdominal wound to the lower right quadrant that didn't exit that caused severe internal bleeding. |
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Posted: 9/10/2011 11:00:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mike12345]
[#45]
heres a test someone shot into a bullet test tube, wax tube. more pics at the website.
http://vagunforum.net/ammunition/56x45mm-mk318-sost-terminal-ballistics-t6475-60505.html 
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Posted: 9/10/2011 11:11:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mike12345]
[#46]
here is one I fired.
I lost about 12gr. An interesting thing is that M193 has the same point of impact so I dident have to change anything on my zero, two different rifles. 
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Posted: 9/23/2011 5:15:55 AM EDT
[#47]
Originally Posted By mike12345:
here is one I fired. I lost about 12gr. An interesting thing is that M193 has the same point of impact so I dident have to change anything on my zero, two different rifles. http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z210/macabre1_2007/IMG_0733.jpg Looks like it tumbled and broke at the thinnest point in the cladding. Good stuff. Thanks. |
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Posted: 9/23/2011 11:06:55 AM EDT
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From a standpoint of using a 1/9" twist, What are the pros and cons between loading 69 grain Sierra OTM and these? Prices being about 1000/$180 vs. 1000/$130 for the projectiles. Are the Sierras worth the extra cost?
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Posted: 9/23/2011 11:35:33 AM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By 41magluva: From a standpoint of using a 1/9" twist, What are the pros and cons between loading 69 grain Sierra OTM and these? Prices being about 1000/$180 vs. 1000/$130 for the projectiles. Are the Sierras worth the extra cost? Different bullets designed for different purposes. The Sierra OTM is designed as an accurate "match" bullet. The fact that it does fragment in fleshy targets is not a product of their design. The 62gn SOST "partition" style bullet is designed more as a hunting bullet for higher terminal ballistic performance in fleshy targets and any barrier in front of the target and is not designed first as an accurate match bullet. Therefore, typically, the match bullet is better for punching paper at matches and the hunting style bullet is better on fleshy targets. |
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Posted: 9/27/2011 10:22:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mike12345]
[#50]
I would like to know the velocity at which this will no longer fragment to extrapolate distance from different weapons. I know the fragmentation distance will be farther than what you get from other fragmenting ammo.
I seem to remember someone saying 2300FPS but thats still only 200yards from a 14.5in anyone have a 7.5in barrel and mk318? fire it into water jugs at 25yard increments that shuld tell you where. |
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