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Posted: 4/8/2010 8:25:56 AM
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Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
prvi 75gr did not shoot well in the larue/lothar walther barrel. I was getting ~1.5 MOA 10-shot groups. 1.5MOA 10-shot groups with eastern-european mass-produced ammo and a semi-automatic rifle is STELLAR performance, and I don't care who you are or what rifle you're using. I'm thinking pretty much the same thing. While I usually require MOA to be satisfied with my hunting rigs, At the distances I would be hunting with a 223 round, I would consider 1.5 MOA adequate. For SHTF self defense ammo, I would think it's far superior to most other "budget" rounds. After all, these are basically half the cost of TAP Ammo. I'd daresay that most hunting rifles won't hold 1.5-MOA 10-shot groups without handloaded ammo and aftermarket barrels. Mine won't.  |
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Posted: 4/8/2010 7:33:42 PM
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By JameyF:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
prvi 75gr did not shoot well in the larue/lothar walther barrel. I was getting ~1.5 MOA 10-shot groups. 1.5MOA 10-shot groups with eastern-european mass-produced ammo and a semi-automatic rifle is STELLAR performance, and I don't care who you are or what rifle you're using. I'm thinking pretty much the same thing. While I usually require MOA to be satisfied with my hunting rigs, At the distances I would be hunting with a 223 round, I would consider 1.5 MOA adequate. For SHTF self defense ammo, I would think it's far superior to most other "budget" rounds. After all, these are basically half the cost of TAP Ammo. I'd daresay that most hunting rifles won't hold 1.5-MOA 10-shot groups without handloaded ammo and aftermarket barrels. Mine won't. Mine will, but not with all ammo. I do have nicer than average factory rifles. With some ammo I can see my groups going well over 2 MOA, but I use those just for fun. When I purchased my 270, I bought 10-12 different rounds to shoot. I still have 5 or 6 pieces of boxes of ammo sitting around that my gun doesn't "like". I've found even lot numbers of the came ammo can make a difference. When I find factory ammo that my rifles like, I go back and buy all the store has. I save the ammo each gun likes the best for hunting. We practice with the rest. My son is set with 243 ammo for years (no thanks to walmarts 6 box per trip limit).  |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 8:05:15 PM
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
prvi 75gr did not shoot well in the larue/lothar walther barrel. I was getting ~1.5 MOA 10-shot groups. 1.5MOA 10-shot groups with eastern-european mass-produced ammo and a semi-automatic rifle is STELLAR performance, and I don't care who you are or what rifle you're using. To quote Rick Jamison, "After using this machine rest for several years, I have determined that a 1.5-inch 10-shot group at 100 yards... is a good one." |
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Posted: 5/5/2010 6:15:44 PM
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My Noveske N4 is licking her chops. Have you tried the Prvi in your N4? |
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Posted: 5/10/2010 7:27:09 PM
My RRA 16in 1x8 loves this stuff.
I've used it for a coyote round when I'm calling, its very effective. |
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Posted: 5/10/2010 8:54:41 PM
Is the lack of a cannelure anything to be concerned about? I've had setback issues with older Federal Match and older non-cannelured Hornady TAP, but I have no idea how those two rounds were crimped. Judging by this pic, this older TAP I had problems with lacked the collet crimped crease that Molon indicated:
Can I safely assume that I'm comparing apples to oranges? |
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Posted: 5/11/2010 3:38:10 PM
Originally Posted By CJan_NH:
Is the lack of a cannelure anything to be concerned about? I've had setback issues with older Federal Match and older non-cannelured Hornady TAP, but I have no idea how those two rounds were crimped. Judging by this pic, this older TAP I had problems with lacked the collet crimped crease that Molon indicated: http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Tap.JPG Can I safely assume that I'm comparing apples to oranges? PPU 75 is collet crimped, there is also a crease on the body bullet. |
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Posted: 5/12/2010 2:57:43 PM
[Last Edit: 5/12/2010 3:00:50 PM by maladat]
I will add my experience, which is that in my one AR (self-built on a MUR upper and Noveske stainless 1-7 twist Recce 16" barrel using a TA01 ACOG as primary sight) I can consistently shoot ~1.5 MOA 10-shot groups with the PPU 75gr off a bipod. I just discovered "loading the bipod" so maybe I'll be able to tighten my groups up a bit.
I am on my second thousand round case of this ammo. |
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Posted: 5/16/2010 7:07:21 PM
Got a chance to get some of the Privi out that I have today.
1.886 MOA 10 shot: 
With 16" BCM mounted with a Nightforce 1-4x, off a bi-pod, 100 yards: 
Conditions, over cast 0 wind, 58 deg. I shot 4 10 shot groups that one was the best. One was a cold bore group shot with the gas system turned off (Noveskie Switch Block) I wanted to do a POI comparison. Group shown is 2nd group shot, 3rd group was downright horrid, 4th group was actually very nice with 2 rushed shots tossing the group into the 2.5 moa area. Over all, I'm happy, I hoped for better but 2 moa from Eastern Europe ammo I can live with. Molon I have a N4 Noveskie 14.5" I'll try to get out this week with it and the Privi and report back. When I do that I'll reshot the BCM with Black Hills 77 grn match and report back. |
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Posted: 5/16/2010 7:09:37 PM
Originally Posted By JoshAR:
Got a chance to get some of the Privi out that I have today. 1.886 MOA 10 shot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/Joshpictures/privi75grnbcm.jpg With 16" BCM mounted with a Nightforce 1-4x, off a bi-pod, 100 yards: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/Joshpictures/IMG_1823.jpg Conditions, over cast 0 wind, 58 deg. I shot 4 10 shot groups that one was the best. One was a cold bore group shot with the gas system turned off (Noveskie Switch Block) I wanted to do a POI comparison. Group shown is 2nd group shot, 3rd group was downright horrid, 4th group was actually very nice with 2 rushed shots tossing the group into the 2.5 moa area. Over all, I'm happy, I hoped for better but 2 moa from Eastern Europe ammo I can live with. Molon I have a N4 Noveskie 14.5" I'll try to get out this week with it and the Privi and report back. When I do that I'll reshot the BCM with Black Hills 77 grn match and report back. Sweet! |
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Posted: 5/16/2010 10:40:51 PM
Very interesting data. Thanks
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Posted: 5/17/2010 10:46:19 PM
JoshAR-
Do you perhaps have a higher mag scope? 4x doesn't seem the best for accuracy testing. I could just be splitting hairs though. . . |
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Posted: 5/18/2010 2:10:12 PM
Originally Posted By Cole2534: JoshAR- Do you perhaps have a higher mag scope? 4x doesn't seem the best for accuracy testing. I could just be splitting hairs though. . . accuracy testing with a 4x scope speaks more to the skill of the shooter than the accuracy of the rifle and ammo in my opinion. I personally prefer at least 6x for 100 yards. Good shooting JoshAR! |
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Posted: 5/18/2010 2:39:27 PM
[Last Edit: 5/18/2010 7:08:41 PM by Molon]
While certainly not the ideal choice for accuracy testing, don't underestimate what can be accomplished with a quality 4X scope. The 10-shot group pictured below was fired from 100 yards using a Short Dot LE set at 4X magnification.
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Posted: 5/18/2010 5:05:27 PM
Originally Posted By Molon:
While certainly not the ideal choice for accuracy testing, don't underestimate what can be accomplished with a quality 4X scope. The 10-shot group pictured below was fired from 100 yards using a Short Dot LE set at 4X magnification. http://www.box.net/shared/static/5cu7i9at3o.jpg I completely agree with you Molon. My primary setup for medium game and such (in both 5.56 and 6.8) is a 1-4x scope. I can easily harvest deer/hogs out to 200+ yards with them... |
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Posted: 5/19/2010 6:52:54 AM
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Posted: 5/19/2010 9:37:23 PM
Actualy picking up something in 10x or more just for load testing IS on my list of things to do, but it's down a ways.
What I use is Stick and See's that are 2" The "dot" in the NF is 2 MOA, cover breath shoot measure. I'll shoot again Friday with my N4 and we'll see how I do with a T-1 Aimpoint |
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Posted: 5/21/2010 8:09:17 PM
[Last Edit: 5/21/2010 8:11:42 PM by JoshAR]
One more set same gun as above. Sorry guys I did not get my N4 out.
Black Hills 77grn vs Privi 75 grn Match: Got out today again. 48 deg, some light rain, light wind blowing down range. Privi 75 grn 10 shot group, first group of the day: 1.776 MOA 
Shifted to 77grn Black Hills Blue box 10 shot. This group looks worse than it is. 1.887 MOA 
Conclusion: I honestly think I am bouncing off my limits with this gun and it's set up with 4x magnification. Looks like I am pretty constantly in the 1.75-2 MOA range. Privi for me looks like tighter more consistent groups over the BH's. I'll redo more group testing when I have something n the 10x-14x magnification range to work with. |
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Posted: 5/27/2010 4:05:23 PM
Quick question Josh, which barrel do you have on your BCM?
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Posted: 5/28/2010 1:16:50 AM
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Quick question Josh, which barrel do you have on your BCM? BFH 16" mid-length with a Noveske switch block for a gas block, a Blackout flash suppressor and SWS free float rail. |
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Posted: 7/6/2010 3:12:05 PM
Originally Posted By JoshAR:
Originally Posted By Jitterbug:
Quick question Josh, which barrel do you have on your BCM? BFH 16" mid-length with a Noveske switch block for a gas block, a Blackout flash suppressor and SWS free float rail. Maybe I missed it, but are the groups pictured fired with or without the suppressor? |
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Posted: 8/16/2010 12:19:10 AM
[Last Edit: 8/16/2010 12:20:29 AM by Forgetfull]
Stand by for pics of Prvi's crappy new crimp job on Match 69 and 75 grain. I think this is the cause of my accuracy problems with this ammo. '09 and '10 lots.
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Posted: 12/8/2010 7:57:35 PM
Anyone get a chance to try some of the new "blue box" stuff? Is it as good as the old green box?
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Posted: 12/8/2010 8:37:11 PM
Originally Posted By vicious_cb:
Anyone get a chance to try some of the new "blue box" stuff? Is it as good as the old green box? https://www.aimsurplus.com/EOS/images/product/ap223hp75.jpg ...aaaand I'm in. |
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Posted: 12/8/2010 9:43:41 PM
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
JoshAR- Do you perhaps have a higher mag scope? 4x doesn't seem the best for accuracy testing. I could just be splitting hairs though. . .  'splitting hairs' in a scope discussion? And I'm the only one who caught that pun?
But seriously, folks, it is very hard to shoot well at 100 with a 4x. Molon's orange target represents just about the best shooting you're going to see with a 4x at 100. |
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