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Please give feedback on your PERSONAL experience with Lake City XM193 ammunition

I have not had any problems with this ammunition

I have had minor problems with this ammunition, but will continue to use it

I have had major problems with this ammunition, and will not use it anymore




(1478)  92.09%

(87)  5.42%

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THE ORIGINAL THREAD HAS BEEN ARCHIVED. If you voted in that thread, please do NOT vote again.

Results from previous thread:
1118 votes
1055 did not have any problems
46 had minor issues
17 had major issues


This thread is ONLY about the XM193 variant, which is sold in brown or white carboard boxes, If your review is about LOOSE XM193PD, please add your review to that thread instead.

Please add your personal experience with Lake City M193 (currently sold by Federal as XM193) ammunition to this thread. When you do, please give information about:
1) Firearm used in
2) Approximate number of rounds fired.

For more information about this ammunition, check out the Federal website.

From RussB's post out of a 16" barrel:
Velocity: 3094fps, StdDev=39fps

I am trying to solicit only information about your PERSONAL experience with this ammunition. If you haven't used it, then please don't clutter up the thread. Information about proper functioning (or lack thereof) is obviously the most important, but factors such as the accuracy or other peculiarities you've noticed are informative also. If you have had problems with this ammo which were severe enough to cause you to stop using this ammo, then please describe them. And one more minor request: keep your reviews objective.
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Collected responses from the archived threads:

LINK TO THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE ON THE ARCHIVE SERVER

Civil
100 rounds w/o problem in a 16"colt HBAR

RungSat65
I have shot 500+ rounds thru 20" colt and 16" S&W with no problems. Will definately buy more

Atreides82
Have Shot 1000 rounds, out of that I had one jam upon ejection. Manually cleared the shell and shot the rest with no problems. This was out of a 16" DPMS Carbine. Great stuff, I wish it was more available.

HighStrung1
I love this stuff. I wish I had much more than the 1K I have stashed.
3K through my M4gery without a single problem.

LordShogun
a couple thousand rounds through my Bushy 16" chrome lined HBAR. This is the ammo which I compare all others too!

blueinterceptor
8000 rounds
colt 6920's 6721

mcornell
I picked up 4800 rounds for about $500.00 at a firearms auction right after I got my Bushmaster.
I didn't realize what a great deal that was and sold 1,600 rounds to a buddy for my cost.
I love the stuff.

Stosh333
1500 rounds through an H&K 93. No issues.

mimikamimi
I love XM193. I have only 2000 stashed. No problems thru my Colt 14.5 HB.

CK
Great stuff - My go to ammo when not loading my own.

Colt_SBR
My ammo stash consists of Federal as XM193, Q3131 and Q3131A.
I've shot them in my 11.5", 15" and 16", Colts, Bushmaster and RRA carbines without any problems.

thirsty
My younger brother and I bought 140 rounds of LC XM193 to shoot. It was definately XM193, not PD, but the dealer had it packaged in a bandolier. We split it evenly between his 16" Stag Arms lower/M&A Parts upper AR-15 with a 16" 1:9 twist barrel and my FN FS2000 with a 17.5" 1:7 twist barrel. All the ammo functioned flawlessly in both rifles, wasn't especially dirty and was accurate.

gordo23
180 rounds shot today (lot #124)
Shot from a DPMS 16" carbine
close to 40 ftf
no idea what the issue is....this is the only ammo I have had problems with.

n8pgp
500 rds of lot 106
500 rds of lot 112
500 rds of lot 113
all thru my bushy 14.5 in m4-
my favorite "bulk" ammo

TxRabbitBane
LC XM193 lot 121 (05 headstamp)
I just bought 500 rounds of this stuff and it looks like crap. For new rounds the brass looks like it's been reloaded after sitting loose in the back of a truck for a year or so. Out of the one box I opened, 5 or 6 rounds have fairly large dents, almost all of the cases show significant tarnish, and 1 case looks like it's about to split at the shoulder. I thought the PD was the bad stuff, but this is almost unshootable, unless I just got the bad box out of the case (which at this point I doubt).

AgHistGrad02
I have fired about 320 rounds of Lot 124 through my RRA Entry Tactical 16" with no problems whatsoever. Good stuff, and I hope to buy more to stock it, as soon as I can find some at a decent price!!
none of my ammo looked really polished, but so far, all of it has gone bang, and I only have about 6 loaded mags left of the original 500. I expect it all to go down range just fine.

roland2681
250 rounds xm193 lot-76, 250 rounds xm193 lot-093 in a colt 16 in. no problems

m4s4ever
About 2K rounds with no issues other than one dented case. I chunked it and had fun with the rest.
1-Colt 6920
2-Bushmaster 16"s
1-Bushy/Stag combo

Hemi-Cuda
Just received a few cases of this stuff.
Lot 140-144
I am not going to post nor vote on whether it works or not yet, because I haven't tried it but this is just my preliminary post before my final.
One thing I just noticed as I was loading a magazine, is that 10/20 rounds in each box have minor dents in them which aren't bad enough for me not to load them. I'm sure they won't cause any problems but I will say that I have FAR less dents in my loose packed Lake City M855 than I do with the boxed XM193. I don't think it will cause any problems, final vote will come most likely tomorrow/after-tomorrow.

macro
XM193 is about as good as it gets among the available 5.56 ammo that I have seen. Equally comparable to Q3131A for accuracy, and I have never had a round malfunction.
Good ammo, hands down.

fsk1290
Shot 100 rounds thru my RRA stainless steel R4 barrel with match grade trigger. This is the ammo that everyone should shoot. It's great stuff.

glockman19
Very good ammo. I will continue to buy it. I have 1940 rounds left and will shoot it sparingly until supplies become more available.

wvar15
I've have shot over 1000 rounds of xm193 through my RRA Entry Tactical with no problems so far. I will continue to buy this when I can find it at a good price.

1911_Mitch
~350 founds fired, functioned perfectly: authoritative boom, positive ejection, and makes a hole downrange
XM193 lot 127 '05 headstamp
Functioned 100%, no gun or ammo failures
2" groups at 100yds from prone
4" groups at 100yds from kneeling
LMT MRP CQB 16" w/EOTech553+Aimpoint3x

3gunpinoy
the Xm193 are great practice ammo and if you need accurate shots, i.e. moa at 100, they will do the job. i just noticed that it runs a bit dirty, and my barrel needs more frequent cleaning, as compared to AE 55GrBTHP. IMHO, the AE55Gr has more accuracy in it as comapred to the XM. noticeable but not much at a 100. the difference amplifies at 200 or more. yes, the XM is loaded to hotter specs ( I can feel it on my shoulder), but not that much.,
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17" Lilja, 1-8 twist
18" Kreiger, 1-7.7
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Posted: 4/1/2008 11:36:15 AM
A couple (literally two) of misfeeds in a freshly cleaned rifle. But other than that, no issues to speak of. Good ammo.
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Posted: 4/1/2008 5:06:17 PM
What is the accuracy of this ammo through a 20" 1/8 twist?
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Posted: 4/1/2008 6:52:25 PM
2,000+ rounds flawlessly through --

20" A4 franken-build
S&W M&P15
Olympic CAR97M4
Olympic PCR16, 16" SUM
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Posted: 9/1/2008 7:52:11 PM
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unsure if the right thread but the ammunition was the black boxed american eagle xm193

had my first blown primer ever, it blew it under the trigger somehow and caused major malfunction.

my first and last 400 rounds or so through 16" carbine upper 1/7 twist

i typically buy it when nothing else brass cased is cheaper for plinking.
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Posted: 9/2/2008 8:58:43 AM
I've experienced several instances of blown primers with an 07 batch of XM193A, these failures occurred in a carbine that has successfully run many types of 5.56 pressure ammo in the past with no ill effects, including earlier lots of XM193, only to have popped primers with this XM193A at a rate of about 6/1000. The gun cycled fine, but was unable to go fully into battery due to the primer prohibiting BCG closure. In some cases, the BCG was far enough forward that the hammer was able to drop. Other primer failures may have occurred and gone unnoticed if the primer did not bind BCG movement. At .006% that's too high for me, considering I bought this ammo for serious use.
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Posted: 9/2/2008 10:33:16 PM
Fired atleast 400rnds out of a 16"M&P15 cant remmber a problem with it. The end of the case around the primer seems to get cut by the extractor on ejectior. (no torn or broken cases) . I dont reload so i dont know if this would affect its reload ability. This is my favorite ammo that ive shot out of this gun so far.
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Posted: 9/3/2008 12:21:09 AM

Originally Posted By bad_company5150:
unsure if the right thread but the ammunition was the black boxed american eagle xm193

had my first blown primer ever, it blew it under the trigger somehow and caused major malfunction.

my first and last 400 rounds or so through 16" carbine upper 1/7 twist

i typically buy it when nothing else brass cased is cheaper for plinking.



same experience here with XM193C blown primers .i have about 500rds left wont be buying anymore
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Posted: 9/8/2008 8:51:56 AM
Have fired 220 rounds (out of 500 rnd order) XM193C thru 1/9 16" DPMS and Magpul Pmags. No malfunctions or failures with typical combat accuracy at 50-300 yds. Will buy again.
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Posted: 9/12/2008 11:41:40 PM
Good stuff
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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:02:07 PM
good ammo. a pretty hot load. I have fired over 5,000 rounds of it through 3 A2 colts and 3 6920s. no problems at all. accuracy past 300 will hit a man but no good past about 450 yds
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Posted: 11/4/2008 11:07:20 PM
500 rounds through a full auto Colt. Not a single problem, except that it doesn't last long enough.
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Posted: 1/15/2009 3:52:02 AM
Fired xm193 from Bushmaster A2-type w/ 16 inch barrel. Fired about 200 rounds with no problems.
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:32:21 PM
i just got 1000 rounds for it, ill tell you how it shoots un my 14.5" bushmaster when i shoot it
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Posted: 3/15/2009 10:57:28 AM
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Shot 100 rounds of it on Saturday out of my RRA M4gery. No problems at all. Great ammo and very clean. Will buy more when I can find it.
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Posted: 3/25/2009 1:13:01 AM
shot 130 rounds hot load but no issues!
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Shot 200 rounds with one FTF. Required the motar technique to unjam. The first malfunction in around 1400 rounds through my CD-M4LE. I voted this a minor problem, but it wouldn't stop me from using this ammo.
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Posted: 4/14/2009 10:54:06 AM
~140 rds fired yesterday.



Ammo: American Eagle Tactical XM193C. Purchased in brown 400rd. Federal box. Opened to reveal two black 200rd American Eagle Tactical boxes. Inside each of these black boxes were two 100rd white boxes stamped with lot #s and American Eagle Tactical/Federal XM193.

Headstamp reads LC 08 (no NATO headstamp). Annealing mark clearly visible. Primer pockets were crimped, albeit lightly. Black tar sealant visible on some case necks. Did not any notice primer sealant.


Rifle/s: 1) MSAR STG 556. Generation III with 20" barrel.
2) RRA factory rifle with 20" barrel.


Out of 140 rds we experienced 4 hard primers that required a second primer strike (all rounds fired on second attempt). Of those 4 rounds, one failed to chamber causing the brass to bend slightly at the case shoulder...this round was tossed as unsafe.

Accuracy was fair. I won't be shooting it for score at a Hipower match, but it was good enough for plinking.
Ammunition wasn't particularly dirty.

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I have had problems with primers popping out of Federal XM193 ammo. We are thinking this is a overpressure issue. The gas tube and all areas where gas applies is clean and not fouled. The gun is a 11 inch barrel with full auto option (a1 lower). The buffer is a carbine weight buffer. I am currently ordering a heavier buffer. I am not sure if the barrel is chambered in 5.56 or .223. I have learned that this could matter.

Any suggestions.

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Do not fire any more right and post some pic's of the cases that we may that a look.
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Originally Posted By j3price:
I have had problems with primers popping out of Federal XM193 ammo. We are thinking this is a overpressure issue. The gas tube and all areas where gas applies is clean and not fouled. The gun is a 11 inch barrel with full auto option (a1 lower). The buffer is a carbine weight buffer. I am currently ordering a heavier buffer. I am not sure if the barrel is chambered in 5.56 or .223. I have learned that this could matter.

Any suggestions.

Joshua
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My honest suggestion is that you first ensure your barrel is chambered in 5.56. I'd eliminate that variable first as it can result in some overpressure signs.
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I was breaking in a new gun today. A bushmaster Predator with 20 inch 1/8 twist barrel...non chrome lined chambered in 5.56. This is the first time I've shot it since I bought it 2 months ago. I was pumping different rounds through it and cleaning the barrel/chamber after about every 20 rounds.
I shot a box of Federal American Eagle Black Box XM193C. Lot # V 49 W575, I've had this ammo since late last year. I seem to remember reading of some issues with the black box stuff and I believe that specific lot # vs the white or brown box. I had shot a few boxes of this ammo when I first received it in my first Bushy Patrolman, 16 incher. I didn't notice any issues then.

Today however out of the one box of 20 I had 3 blown primers. Two of the primers fell out onto the shooting table I was using. I shot 2 boxes of brown box XM193, a box each of Monarch brass FMJ and soft points, a box of 69 and 75 gr PRVI and 2 boxes of Monarch steel. None of the other ammo appeared to have any issues. One thing I seemed to notice was a bigger dent made by something in the base of the Fed AE (black box)brass which none of the other brass or steel seemed to be near as bad.

Oh and I did have one round fail to chamber fully. I was using a Bushmaster 5 round magazine. I thought I had a FTFire. When I pulled the trigger is snapped but when I looked the round was not in battery and I could still see brass. I ejected that round and reinserted it back into the same mag and it fed ok the next few rounds until empty. I didn't use the 5 rounder anymore just in case.
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I just got 2k rounds of xm193CBP 5.56 55g, packaged in the Federal American Eagle Tactical 100rnd boxes. I have sold more than I have shot. Actually I have not shot any yet. It is all head stamped L C 09. It looks good
at a quick glance nothing stood out. I have had some UMC, federal 223 party packs with crooked bullets and poorly seated primers???
I hope to blast some of this ASAP
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