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Posted: 6/14/2007 3:26:34 PM EST
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Shot 5 boxes through my 20" HB yesterday. No failures of any kind. If I took my time I could keep them all in the 10 ring from bags at 100 yds. I'd say it was well worth the $170 delivered price from AIM.
My beloved Bushmaster has KB'd today using this ammo. I will be putting together a nice pictured post explaining what I've figured out. It could be my AR's fault but the ammo is still a possibility. More to come.
HotShot 223 at Century. This is great ammo at a great price for SS109 62gr FMJ ammo. It's brass cased and the sealent on the primer does not come off and gum up your rifle. I've shot about 500 rounds out of a Carbon-15 Model 97 with 1 FTF (gun needed some lube). I can't see past 25 yards anymore, so I have a 1.5 x 4.5 scope mounted on it. At 100 yards, lying prone and using my mag pouch as a rest, I was getting 2" to 4 " groups with one 1 1/4" group. BTW, I'm not known for my marksmanship. With a higher magnification and a sandbag rest, this ammo should be sub MOA. At $150/1,000 rounds delivered, this is a great buy. HotShot is made by Igman for Century, the only difference being the packaging. The cheapest I've seen Igman for is $180/1,000 + shipping. Allan Schisel
I've only shot 200 rounds of it, no problems. I would buy it again.
I have put around 400 rounds through my BM 14.5" M4gery with no problems whatsoever. Seemed alittle dirty to me, but it could have been the bit of CLP I used before firing. Not up to par with IMI and some LC M855 I've shot, but better then all the other SS109 I've shot.
This past Friday (8-6) I got to the firing range with my chronograph and worked with my handloads. While I was at it I shot some Olin/Winchester M855 and some Ingman "Hot Shot" SS109 62gr. Green Tip. Here's my results (I'm including the Olin/Winchester M855 as something to which to compare the Ingman SS109).
Ingman SS109 "Hot Shot" 62gr.
Average velocity: 3,059.05 FPS
Hi: 3,091.64 FPS
Lo: 3,007.14 FPS
Extreme spread: 84.50 FPS
Standard Deviation: 27.80
Average velocity: 3,091.42 FPS
Hi: 3,123.55 FPS
Lo: 3,051.11 FPS
Extreme spread: 72.44 FPS
Standard Deviation: 24.91
The above data results from one ten shot string of each ammo type. While I was at it, I also shot ten additional rounds of each for accuracy. This was a rather informal test, but this is what I did. Two three shot groups and one four shot group at 100 yards. The Ingman gave me an average group size for the three groups of: 1.5" and the Olin/Winchester gave me an average group size for its three groups of: 1 5/16".
The gun used was a Bushmaster A3 w/20" chrome lined, 1:9 twist. The optical unit was a Burris 1.5x6 x 40 scope which is mounted on an A.R.M.S.#5 multi base with Leupold medium rings.
The Chronograph used was a Gamma Master Chrony. Readings were taken 15 feet from the muzzle.
The conditions were: approx. 72 degrees, sunny, dry, very little wind.
I only shot a total of twenty rounds of each ammo, but there were no malfunctions nor problems of any kind. Based upon the above results I would conclude that the two ammo types are very closely equivalent. Certainly the Ingman does not seem to be related to the NATO stuff that has been loaded down in order to work in the SA-80 Bullpup.
After buying 2000 rounds of Oly SS109 and having nothing but problems, I only bought 200 rounds of IGMAN SS109 to try out.
It ran fine in my cherry Colt preban carbine, no problems at all.
After using up most of my South African surplus and not really getting the results I wanted with the PMP I decided to try the Igman. I picked up a case of the black tip ss109 on sale at AIM for $159 per k. In two previous trips to the range I was getting decent 2 to 3" groups out of my post ban colt carbine. This week I went to the range with the Igman ammo for some informal plinking. After about 100 rds, with breaks in between for cease fires, I experienced a ruptured primer. It was the first round out of a new mag and it blew all kinds of smoke out. I then noticed the case did not eject and it had blown out the bottom of my mag. I then manulay ejected the case with no problems and noticed the blown primer. The case was intact other than the primer and the previous rounds did not show any indications of a similar problem.
After some advice from others I will check firing pin for issues to see if this might have influenced the round. The rifle itself was not damaged and had only 5k rounds put through to this point.
After my inspections I will determine whether to continue to use this ammo and consider this a one time fluke.
I have fired close to 1500 rounds of this ammo and have not had one malfunction. My only complaint is next to Lake City it "seems" not to be loaded as hot. This is only going by the recoil felt.
About 100 rds out of a 500 rd case so far thru a DPMS Classic A2 1x9 at 200 yds.
No issues, good accuracy.
My DPMS seems to do very well with 62gr, so I hope to try more soon so I can get a good comparison to Win 62, my favorite target ammo.
So far my M4gry LEGP and my 20" 1 in 7 kit rifle (M&A parts) love the 62gr hotshot ammo. I have had no problems whatsoever. Accuracy is good and can be better (operator needs to shoot more) I will pick up more at the next show.
I will add my continued bad experiences with this ammo. After my initial bad luck with this ammo, as was recorded earlier, I decided to try it again in two different rifles other than the Colt.
First up was a J&T 20" standard kit on a Bushy recvr. 1 st round out blew a primer and locked the rifle up. Cleared rifle, with some difficulty, and inspected for damage. No damage found so I went back and fired off some PMP and some Winy. No problems with these so I try another new mag. Second round out bam, blown primer again.
Set rifle down and clear and try it on a Bushy carbine. Bam 1st round out blows a primer and locks it up.
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