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Sajer what yea or batch do you have there that has the problems as compared to others???
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Posted: 11/14/2007 3:56:45 PM EST
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I shot 300 rnds of M855 thru my Busmaster M4 with out any issues. The lot was from 2004. Accuracy was good not better than LC m855 or Remington UMC. I recomend it.


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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:22:18 PM EST
No chrono data yet? dam!

I got this stuff from Ammoman about 3 weeks ago. Comes nicely packed and the ammo looks just as good as the ones on ammoman's website.

Anyways, I shot 100 rounds of this recently. Went bang everytime and I was able to get consistent 1.5" groups with my XCR/16inch/ACOG_TA11/1_9_Twist_chrome_line_barrel set up. And 2" groups with my Bushmaster/14.5inch/Aimpoint set up. Much more accurate than M193 Guat.
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Any news about the Igman M193?

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Posted: 1/30/2008 9:23:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:
Any news about the Igman M193?



What little I was able to shoot ('til the supply disappeared) was as good as Prvi in my guns.
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Posted: 2/24/2008 6:50:38 PM EST
I shoot both the Igman M855 and the HotShot SS 109 and I perfer the HotShot because it performs like the Lake City, the Igman shoots okay but the problem that I have is it will not fully function throught my Bushmaster A4 ( 20 inch 1/7 barrel), it seems like it short strokes, after every shot you have to charge the weapon and it will not keep the bolt open after the last round, and I have used different Mags, so I know it is the ammo, but with the HotShot two thumbs up on that ammo.
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Posted: 4/14/2008 10:06:39 AM EST
I have tried to reload the Igman brass, the flash hole is to small, it pulls the deprime pin out of my die, to me the only two things to do is shoot it and throw the brass away or pull the bullet and load up good round, I also wieghed the powder charge and it came out to 22.8 grains of whatever they use.
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I shoot both the Igman M855 and the HotShot SS 109 and I perfer the HotShot because it performs like the Lake City, the Igman shoots okay but the problem that I have is it will not fully function throught my Bushmaster A4 ( 20 inch 1/7 barrel), it seems like it short strokes, after every shot you have to charge the weapon and it will not keep the bolt open after the last round, and I have used different Mags, so I know it is the ammo, but with the HotShot two thumbs up on that ammo.
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Posted: 4/14/2008 12:14:31 PM EST
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I have shot about 800 rounds of Igman M193.

It's very pretty brass, and has obvious annealing. No chronograph data, but shooting a magazine mixed with XM-193 and Igman M193 I was unable to tell a difference. I had no failures with this ammunition. I shot it from a RRA midlength carbine with H Buffer.

Pulling the bullet, the bullet was sealed, and the propellant was ball powder.

My only complaint is that the primers are sealed with a red wax like substance, which gets onto the bolt face. I would buy more if it was decently priced.

THE BRASS CANNOT BE RELOADED.

The flash hole is smaller than normal. I broke two decapping pins trying to reload this brass. It shoots fine, but i will not buy it again. My brass was marker "1k 07 5.56 x 45"
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Posted: 5/16/2008 11:36:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By BadassWeakling:
I have shot about 800 rounds of Igman M193.

It's very pretty brass, and has obvious annealing. No chronograph data, but shooting a magazine mixed with XM-193 and Igman M193 I was unable to tell a difference. I had no failures with this ammunition. I shot it from a RRA midlength carbine with H Buffer.

Pulling the bullet, the bullet was sealed, and the propellant was ball powder.

My only complaint is that the primers are sealed with a red wax like substance, which gets onto the bolt face. I would buy more if it was decently priced.

THE BRASS CANNOT BE RELOADED.

The flash hole is smaller than normal. I broke two decapping pins trying to reload this brass. It shoots fine, but i will not buy it again. My brass was marker "1k 07 5.56 x 45"


I also noticed that the brass (with the green primer sealant) would not fit well into my shell holder.n I had to pretty much force it in, which, in turn, made me not reload it.
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Posted: 5/18/2008 12:13:28 PM EST
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Bushmaster Dissipator (bone stock except for a Bravo Co f/a BCG)- Fired 60 rds PMC 55 gr first, and all fed and functioned perfectly. Loaded up the same 30 rd mag with Igman M855 lot # 10 IK 04, all brass headstamped 03. Out of the 30 rounds all but 2 short stroked, requiring manual charging to chamber another round. Single loaded the same mag 3x and the bolt wouldn't travel far enough to lock open. Several of the short strokes involved a partial feed with the bolt jammed into the cartridge case about midway down the case causing a complete stoppage.
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Posted: 5/21/2008 6:25:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By BadassWeakling:
I have shot about 800 rounds of Igman M193.

It's very pretty brass, and has obvious annealing. No chronograph data, but shooting a magazine mixed with XM-193 and Igman M193 I was unable to tell a difference. I had no failures with this ammunition. I shot it from a RRA midlength carbine with H Buffer.

Pulling the bullet, the bullet was sealed, and the propellant was ball powder.

My only complaint is that the primers are sealed with a red wax like substance, which gets onto the bolt face. I would buy more if it was decently priced.

THE BRASS CANNOT BE RELOADED.

The flash hole is smaller than normal. I broke two decapping pins trying to reload this brass. It shoots fine, but i will not buy it again. My brass was marker "1k 07 5.56 x 45"
Hey Badass,were these the 200rd battlepacs? Also what year were they stamped?
I get the feeling that they are having trouble with the older m855. I wonder about the m193?
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Posted: 8/15/2008 8:26:13 PM EST
I shot approx. 100 rounds of the IK headstamped M855 labeled ammunition through two rifles (200 rounds total) with severe short stroking and massive crud buildup in the receiver. Rifle one was a 20" factory bushmaster upper on an Oly lower with Bushmaster internals. The other was a 14.5" w/ permanent flashider attached by CMMG on a Bushmaster lower with Bushmaster internals. Both rifles were reduced to single shot status with 30 rounds; full cleaning of the receiver and carrier group only resulted on 2-3 rounds being fired in semi before return to manual operation. Verified ammo related problem by firing 30 rounds of 50 grn Federal with no problems out of the 20" rifle, and 8 rounds of steel cased Wolf with only one FTE with the carbine. Lubrication used was Break Free CLP.
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Posted: 3/14/2009 8:53:27 PM EST
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Previously last Sunday March 8th "Just back from the local fun show. The Romanian ss109(no green tip) Head stamp reads: SADU 08 5.56. Bullet has red sealant on neck and all over on the prime. Reminds me of S&B 9mm with all the sealant. Hotshot is $12/box and $450/880rd tin can out the door. I got a 20rd sampler from him and will report back the findings."


Loaded 10rds of the new 2008 Hotshot 5.56x45 SS109 62gr steel tip Romanian(no green tip) Head stamp reads: SADU 08 5.56. Used 20rd PMAG. The other 10rds was Winchester m855 62gr penetrator Q3269. Mag was mixed with both rds in mag. 1 Hotshot followed by 1 Winchester. Note I tested just for feel and functionality only(No chrono, no targets). Used 16" M4 1-9" chrome moly DPMS. Once firing began, I could not tell the difference between the two. All rounds fed, cycled and ejected fine. There is no mistake. More test are in order but in the mean time this stuff seems to be SHTF worthy except for the berdan primed and $0.56/rd price tag. Heck Winchester m855 is going for $0.85 - $1/rd currently.
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Posted: 4/18/2009 1:15:31 AM EST
This stuff is available in my town for $0.50/round, is it worth it for plinking ammo at that price? I heard Hot Shot uses ball powder, any truth to that?
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Posted: 4/18/2009 3:34:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By tyrex13:
This stuff is available in my town for $0.50/round, is it worth it for plinking ammo at that price? I heard Hot Shot uses ball powder, any truth to that?


Yes, and so does M193, M855, XM193, etc., etc.
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Posted: 4/27/2009 1:19:47 PM EST
I've put about 200 rounds of green tip Igman through my Colt H-Bar. The only other ammo I've used is Lake City M855. The accuracy isn't quite as good, but there was not a single hiccup of any kind. I've converted the rifle to a 16" dissy, so that says a lot as this ammo is often said to be a little underpowered. At 100 yards I was routinely about 3/4 MOA with the LC stuff, but the best I could do was about 1-1/2" groups with this stuff. I noticed that the green coating appeared to be dipped, with some bullets having thick globs of it hanging off the bullet tips. As a fairly non-scientific experiment I scraped off the coating and polished the tips of a few of the uglier rounds and these did a little better shooting around 1-1/4" groups.

Overall, pretty good stuff for the price and worked flawlessly in a rifle length gas system 16"-er. I just wish I could find more.
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Posted: 4/27/2009 2:49:57 PM EST
The green tip Igman I used was loaded with extruded powder and burned cleaner than ball powder. The brass appears to be sofer than LC 855 or Federal xm193.
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Posted: 10/23/2009 11:10:39 PM EST
I have some of the HotShot SS109 that AIM and many others are selling in the 800rd tins. Just some observations so far without having shot it:

1) Neck is sealed with red sealant.
2) Primer is sealed with red sealant.
3) Headstamp (unintelligible character like an "8")ADU
4) Made in Romania
5) Sectioned a bullet, jacket is steel and appears thick to my eyes. I would have my doubts about it fragmenting. Then again, if you want fragmenting ammo, SS109 isn't a good choice to begin with.
6) The penetrator is about the same dimensions as my M855 penetrators. Slightly darker though and rough on the flat tip with a texture similar to cast iron. Smooth at the base and sides. It's magnetic, and about as hard as M855 penetrators using my locking pliers as makeshift Rockwell hardness tester
7) Ball powder
8) I wonder if commies ever had to open a spam can in a firefight.
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Posted: 10/24/2009 1:23:16 AM EST
Are U sure the jacket is steel?
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Posted: 10/24/2009 2:46:40 AM EST
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Are U sure the jacket is steel?


Yep, "skinned" the bullet to get to the penetrator, jacket sticks to magnets
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Posted: 10/26/2009 6:18:53 PM EST
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I used Igman SS109 purchased from Sportsmans Guide. I never had any problems with it. The powder seems to be a clean burning IMR type as it left less deposits than any other brand. Some of the brass may be slightly soft as I would sometimes find brass under the extractor, more so than other brands of ammo. The ammo came packed in ammo cans in bandolieres.
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Posted: 11/30/2009 1:52:12 AM EST
I picked up some HotShot .223 from Century Arms and shot about 200 rounds this weekend. Box says made in Korea and had a identical timestamp noting production date like PMC, so I'm guessing it's re-boxed PMC. All shot good, however it seemed to be dirtier than PMC.
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Posted: 12/9/2009 10:34:22 PM EST
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I have some Privi M855 ammo and love it. I was wondering if the "hot shot" ammo has the same muzzle velocity as the LC or the Privi?
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1) 62gr SS109 only
2) BCM 1/7 16" midlength
3) 200 rounds

Ammo was purchased in 2009. No problems. Functioned properly.

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Posted: 6/28/2012 3:02:29 PM EST
Shot some of this ammo today, from a sealed span can I bought a few years ago. Boxes labeled hotshot.

about 50% of the rounds fired had the primers pop out. Not blow up... not rupture... just blow out into the action, magazine, ect.

When the primers didn't jam the action in my new colt 6720... it fired "fine" for offhand accuracy.... but it was extremely troubling to see brass cases minus primer landing on the ground. Just a big empty hole in the bottom of the casing.

Horrible load... no way I'd trust it for SHTF, and I honestly dont think its safe for range use.
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Posted: 11/16/2014 10:56:27 PM EST
Purchased 500 rounds HotShot 7.62X39 ammunition, Steel Casing, 123gn - fail to fire (dimpled primer) on 104 rounds (over 20%). 160 rounds Wolf (Steel Case/123gn) and 120 rounds Barnaul (Brown Bear/Steel Case/123gn) not an issue. <b>Will not purchase HotShot ammo again, and I would recommend that you don't either.</b> Two AR-15 style 7.62x39 (Spike's Lowers/Model 1 Uppers), six 20-round AR-Stoner magazines (used for ~1 year).

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