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Please give feedback on your PERSONAL experience with PMC.223 ammunition

I have not had any problems with this ammunition

I have had minor problems with this ammunition, but will continue to use it

I have had major problems with this ammunition, and will not use it anymore




(1560)  93.92%

(72)  4.33%

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Zhukov
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Posted: 8/15/2006 10:32:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/21/2010 7:58:33 PM EST by Zhukov]
Another thread got hit by the archive server. LINK TO ARCHIVED THREAD

Results from archived thread:
283 votes
243 without problems
24 with minor problems
16 with major problems

If you have already voted in the previous poll, please do not vote again here.

Please add your personal experience with PMC ammunition to this thread. When you do, please give information about:
1) Ammunition used (Bronze, X-Tac, whatever)
2) Firearm used in
3) Approximate number of rounds fired.

From chasmcg's post out of a 16" barrel:
Velocity: 3002fps, StdDev: 25.31 (55gr FMJ)

For more information about this ammunition, check out the PMC website

Let's limit this to .223/5.56 ammunition, since this is an AR-15 forum. No offense to the guys with AR's in other calibers, but we all know that .223 chamberings are the most sensitive.

I am trying to solicit only information about your PERSONAL experience with this ammunition. If you haven't used it, then please don't clutter up the thread. Information about proper functioning (or lack thereof) is obviously the most important, but factors such as the accuracy or other peculiarities you've noticed are informative also. If you have had problems with this ammo which were severe enough to cause you to stop using this ammo, then please describe them. And one more minor request: keep your reviews objective.

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Posted: 8/15/2006 9:11:00 PM EST
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Over the years I have put at least 4k thru two Ruger ranch rifles (long gone...) and four AR15s, (Colts, DPMS and Bushmasters). I have never had one problem. The RSA manufactured ammo appeared to be loaded to 223 Remington pressures. The ROK manufactured ammo seemed to have more bark, possibly close to the Korean Military (NATO) ammo I had the chance to score while at Kunson AFB in the early 70's.

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Posted: 8/15/2006 9:44:30 PM EST
Have used PMC many times over the years and never a problem. Good stuff
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Posted: 3/27/2007 1:00:37 PM EST
Bought 1000 rounds of PMC .223 in about 1999, NEVER had a single problem with it at all. Brass is all brand new and shiny, no crimp problems, no bullet deformations anywhere. Everything packed nicely in 20 round boxes. Would definitely buy again. Be aware that my batch came from awhile back and your mileage may vary in today's batches - standard disclaimer.

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Posted: 5/18/2007 6:57:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By mt3030:
Over the years I have put at least 4k thru two Ruger ranch rifles (long gone...) and four AR15s, (Colts, DPMS and Bushmasters). I have never had one problem. The RSA manufactured ammo appeared to be loaded to 223 Remington pressures. The ROK manufactured ammo seemed to have more bark, possibly close to the Korean Military (NATO) ammo I had the chance to score while at Kunson AFB in the early 70's.

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How does one tell the difference between the hotter ROK ammo and the RSA rounds?
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Posted: 5/19/2007 3:40:36 AM EST
Sorry the original photo of the boxes is gone. If you look on the rear of the boxes, down in the corner, they will be marked as Product of ROK (Republic of Korea) or RSA (Republic of South Africa). Also, of the two types I've come across, the RSA used a three "stake" primer crimp. while the ROK has used a circular crimp. Both ammo has always shot very well for me, and the brass is excellent for reloading.
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Posted: 5/19/2007 7:00:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By mt3030:
Sorry the original photo of the boxes is gone. If you look on the rear of the boxes, down in the corner, they will be marked as Product of ROK (Republic of Korea) or RSA (Republic of South Africa). Also, of the two types I've come across, the RSA used a three "stake" primer crimp. while the ROK has used a circular crimp. Both ammo has always shot very well for me, and the brass is excellent for reloading.

I have a case of the ROK stuff. No problems.
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Posted: 5/19/2007 7:36:29 AM EST
My first AR "came" with a bunch of different ammo - including some PMC FMJ. (I inherited the weapon)

Not knowing any better (about price/availibility/quality), when I read on the box "practice/varmint ammo," I just figured it was crap - and blasted through about 500 rds!

I sure wish I had it back, now!

Oh! To answer the OP's question - it all fired without a hitch and was dead-on accurate.
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Posted: 5/19/2007 11:21:59 AM EST
Recently bought 500 rds of 55gr HP PMC from a local Pawn shop that was cleaning house. He said he got it in for a guy who never picked it up and it was just tucked back and forgot about. He thought it was about 6 years old.
I have shot about 200 rds and had no problems. I had always heard PMC was dirty, but this stuff doesn't seem to be all that bad. As far as power, I don't have a chrono; but it seems to be on par with any other comercial ammo I have shot, and accuracy seems good from my DPMS 16" upper.
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Posted: 5/19/2007 2:03:05 PM EST
I always loved this ammo. I never had any issues with it and used it more than any other brass case 55 gr ammo when I went out shooting. It was always on the low end of the price range for brass case .223 and the ROK loaded ammo seemed much closer to M193 specs, rather than commercial specs. I don't remember the exact amount of this ammo I have used, but I am sure it's in the multiple cases, as I have used it since the 1980's (when it was sold under the lablel Pan Metal Corporation) and I think the last I bought was around 2001. It always functioned as reliably as Winchester or Federal IMHO and was pretty accurate.

My only complaint about the PMC .223/5.56 is that it's not being brought in now to the best of my knowledge. The PMC-USA company folded a while back and as far as I know, nobody is importing the ROK loaded 5.56 ammo now.
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Posted: 6/21/2007 12:31:10 PM EST
I just got back from the range, shot 220 round of ROK made PMC, no problems what so ever in a 20" AR, 18" AR and 16" AUG. Cases were anealed and primers had red sealant.

This was my first time shooting this stuff, looks and shoots like M193 spec to me, and a hell of a deal for what I paid for it.
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Posted: 6/24/2007 7:37:04 PM EST
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In the mid 80's i used thousands of rounds of PMC 5.56.
Colt Car 15
Valmet 5.56 AK
Leader T2 5.56
Just got back into firearms and see that PMC is a rare find now. It always fired.lots cleaner than the Chicom (norinco) 5.56 during those years. Very hot stuff very accurate 55 gr.

I wish it was still around. I would buy it first before other brands,
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Posted: 6/24/2007 7:58:53 PM EST
Good stuff, no prob's here.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 5:47:12 PM EST
Just bought a case, no dates on anything but the back of each box indicates it's made in Korea, not South Africa. Haven't fired it yet.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 6:26:43 PM EST
I have a case of the RSA manufactire, and it short strokes everytime in my Bushmaster upper. Runs fine in two colt uppers though. Everything else I've tried runs just fine in the Bushy.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 8:48:08 PM EST
I just picked up 5 boxes. I've always felt that this is some of the best ammo made.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 9:03:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By GJim:
Just bought a case, no dates on anything but the back of each box indicates it's made in Korea, not South Africa. Haven't fired it yet.


Who is selling it again ?. I never understood why they stopped importing it.

I've shot it inthe past. My favorite was the .30 carbine in the camo boxes.
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Posted: 8/15/2007 10:04:12 PM EST
I bought 500 rounds at a local funshow and hauled it out to Oklahoma with me at the beginning of July. I fired 220 rounds through my carbine. I had zero malfunctions and the ammo seemed to be great. I didn't shoot for groups, just minute of man at 50 yards in the hot and muggy rain. Here are my rifle's specs:

LMT 14.5" M4 Upper with Phantom FH
Knight's Armament M4 RAS
Stag Lower with RRA LPK
Aimpoint ML3 2MOA
LaRue Cantilever Mount
LMT SOPMOD Stock
LaBelle 30rd Magazines

That's all the important stuff, anyway. By the way, coming from a Ban State, it was a pleasure to shoot my rifle with standard capacity, detachable magazines. See? Look at that shit-eating grin!

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Posted: 9/6/2007 9:13:28 PM EST
Relieved my local dealer of the last 180 rounds he had "found" camo boxes with Made in Korea in corner. Put 100 rounds in my meager stash,put 80 rounds through my AR today.

Fairly accurate,3" groups at 50 yards,not as good as the PP my carbine seems to love but goes bang and finds the target. Hot load,felt the differance from other M193 I've shot.
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Posted: 9/6/2007 9:56:11 PM EST
I just shot about 120 rounds of this today, that I just picked up at Cabela's last weekend. All worked excellently!!
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Posted: 9/6/2007 10:14:13 PM EST
I just picked up 10 more boxes today. This is great m193 ammo. I won't hesitate to use it for defense.
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Posted: 9/6/2007 11:53:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By snuffy19608:
Relieved my local dealer of the last 180 rounds he had "found" camo boxes with Made in Korea in corner. Put 100 rounds in my meager stash,put 80 rounds through my AR today.

Fairly accurate,3" groups at 50 yards,not as good as the PP my carbine seems to love but goes bang and finds the target. Hot load,felt the differance from other M193 I've shot.


Was that an AR or an AK?
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