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Posted: 11/30/2016 5:36:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2016 5:38:25 PM EDT
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Sorry. This probably shouldn't have gone in this section
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Posted: 11/30/2016 5:41:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIs that the one that goes on the back of the MOE grip? Yeah - I've thought about that one too....but then like I said previously, it's pretty easy to make your own fin. If I happen to find myself in a free state, I unscrew 3 chicago screws to remove the fin, and I've got a fully free-state functional AR-15 ETA: By the way - if you're looking for ideas...there is a like 50 page thread on CALGUNS.NET on featureless builds with plenty of pics ETA2: OK, it's only 30-some pages: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=253777&page=33 |
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Posted: 12/2/2016 1:55:14 AM EDT
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Sorry you guys have to do that to your beauties. Now it's just fugly with that stock thing on it. Just think in another 5 years the AWB list will be illegal and they will request everyone turn them in. It will happen there California is headed toward a full nazi retard train wreck. I think it's time to abandon ship and let them succeed from the union in 2019. Is that a suppressor?
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Posted: 12/3/2016 5:35:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2016 9:36:21 PM EDT
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That's the beauty of an AR build in this generation.
The function it is designed is up to the owner/builder. I built both of these rifles from the ground up and yes, they both had pistol grips and adjustable butt stocks, and Cal bullet buttons. They were super cool to look at.....and shoot..... but the bullet buttons really take away from the overall performance. I grew up shooting conventional stock rifles and never had an issue with them so I thought I'd try these Thordsen stocks. To be honest, I was more excited to get rid of the bullet button than anything. Function over form. They are probably not good for close quarter combat and yes, maybe they are not super cool to look at, maybe even ugly! but... at the end of the day....they are mine! |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 4:52:11 PM EDT
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I am not, nor will I be in violation of any law. Saying "will not comply" is generally understood to mean you will break a law.... |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 5:23:17 PM EDT
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This stock doesn't look too bad... compared to other California featureless stocks out there.
Hera Arms CQR Stock http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/11/jeremy-s/new-stock-forward-grip-magazines-hera-arms/ |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 8:45:18 PM EDT
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Saying "will not comply" is generally understood to mean you will break a law.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am not, nor will I be in violation of any law. Saying "will not comply" is generally understood to mean you will break a law.... It's not that hard of a concept, unless you're just looking to troll this thread. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 9:34:07 PM EDT
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Let's have a moment of silence for OP  |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 11:14:47 PM EDT
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Sweet !  Hey it works as intended. He can swap out his 3 round magazines as quick as you and I. |
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Posted: 12/5/2016 11:43:52 PM EDT
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You know what's really sad about this thread? If FHRC had won, a year from now all the people pissing on OP's parade would be back in here asking where to get the same parts. Yeah, go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. But we all know the truth of it.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 12:06:52 AM EDT
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You know what's really sad about this thread? If FHRC had won, a year from now all the people pissing on OP's parade would be back in here asking where to get the same parts. Yeah, go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. But we all know the truth of it. 
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Posted: 12/7/2016 6:19:16 PM EDT
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You know what's really sad about this thread? If FHRC had won, a year from now all the people pissing on OP's parade would be back in here asking where to get the same parts. Yeah, go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. But we all know the truth of it. California is its own country nowadays. Maybe it will happen in 2019 |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:27:22 PM EDT
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California is its own country nowadays. Maybe it will happen in 2019 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know what's really sad about this thread? If FHRC had won, a year from now all the people pissing on OP's parade would be back in here asking where to get the same parts. Yeah, go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. That's fine. But we all know the truth of it. California is its own country nowadays. Maybe it will happen in 2019 Our Senator Kevin "Ghost Gun" DeLeon has stated that we get to pick & choose which laws we will and will not follow. What's good for the goose....
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Posted: 12/7/2016 8:11:28 PM EDT
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Our Senator Kevin "Ghost Gun" DeLeon has stated that we get to pick & choose which laws we will and will not follow. What's good for the goose.... Laws a la carte. I like that |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 8:13:20 PM EDT
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Double tap
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Posted: 12/28/2016 10:33:04 PM EDT
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AR Folks,
My first posting...from deep behind the iron curtain of the Socialist Republic of California. I modified one of my AR15s and an AR10 to be featureless, but, I added something new that really helps the grip. Unfortunately, I have those two guns stashed away in a hiding spot so I can't photograph them easily. However, I did the same modification to an AK74 and a PTR91, which I have photographed. These will be fine for you all to understand what I did to my ARs. On the AK74 example, after adding a Kydex panel on side to block the thumb wrap around grip (I did my own Kydex panel), I drilled a hole through the handle and added an eye bolt that extends out the right side (same side as my thumb). I wrap my thumb over the top of the eye bolt for the added grip - see photos. I tell you it feels pretty damn good. This way, the total cost of modifications, including the Kydex panel was about $3 per gun. I have done 6 guns thus far. I know the modifications where I drilled through the handle is heresy for some purists, but, it is super cheap and relatively easy. And, if the Supreme Court dies it's job and eventually overturns these silly laws against "evil features," I can easily take these off or buy new grips. AK74 showing eye bolt 
AK74 showing Kydex Panel Side 
AK74 showing hand grip over eye bolt 
I will provide the PTR photos in my next message - I went too long for the AR15.com rules. Ken in SoCal |
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Posted: 12/28/2016 10:35:47 PM EDT
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AR Folks,
This message has the PTR description and photos. For the PTR91, I took a slightly different approach. I used a common hanging hook (see photo below), cut off one leg of the hook, and attached that around the backside of the handle. The hook version is nice because it is rubber coated for an even better grip an the distance to the trigger is a better, longer distance and feels better. With my AR15, I have shot sub-MOA at 200 yards with this grip. Feels great. Common Hook (from Ace Hardware) for PTR91 grip 
PTR91 showing hook out of right side 
PTR91 showing Kydex Panel Side 
PTR91 showing hand grip over hook extension 
Enjoy. I hope others find this helpful. Pray for me. I live among crazy people. Ken in SoCal |
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Posted: 12/29/2016 4:02:54 AM EDT
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Good job, Ken!
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Posted: 12/29/2016 4:28:13 AM EDT
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Awesome 1st / 2nd posts, Ken. Those actually look ok to shoot & own, good thinking.
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Posted: 1/1/2017 9:36:41 PM EDT
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Can't wait to get out of CA, hate it here. My New Years Resolution is to get out of here (amongst others). I've been in firearms sales and sales management for almost 5 years, I am hoping I can leverage that to get a job in the industry out of CA. I am going to go back to school (another New Years Resolution) to help supplement that goal. When the goal is complete I fully intend to celebrate being in free American with a Silencerco Osprey.
By the way, I believe they started handgun registration in the late 80's and long gun registration in 2015. We key in make, model, SN, color, country of origin, and caliber. In my experience (I check their work), most gun counter jockeys goof up the make and/or model almost 50% of the time. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 1:05:05 PM EDT
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Who makes that stock?
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Posted: 1/11/2017 1:20:22 AM EDT
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Who makes that stock? RGERBER875, I am not sure what stock you are asking about. If you meant those I had shown in the photos, the AK74 stock is standard by DDI and the PTR91 is PTR's standard. Ken |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 1:42:47 AM EDT
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Until the next legislative cycle where they ban that. Plus, it's not like these new batch of registered "assault rifles" can then ditch their bullet buttons to work like a normal rifle. Basically, they don't become a "RAW". They are registered bullet button rifles. Which is completely ridiculous. 
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Posted: 1/11/2017 1:50:57 AM EDT
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And that's your choice. Failure to register or go featureless puts you in violation of the law though. People will have to choose, just like they did during the first AW ban. I shot plenty of RAWs when I was in CA. Everyone I talked to about them was glad they had them compared to the alternatives. Shitty situation, but that's California. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 1:53:07 AM EDT
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Assumption. I find it extremely hard to believe they would permit another couple million RAWs to be added to the list. But if I'm wrong than that's good for existing owners of these guns. ETA: holy shit. Looks like you can remove your bullet button according to this article. Also says failure to comply is a felony. http://gunfightertactical.com/assault-weapon-classification/ |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 1:57:22 AM EDT
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yeah that article is from mid 2016, the law wasnt actually released until the first of this year. BB has to stay on the new RAW afaik Glad I bailed in 2012. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 2:03:22 AM EDT
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yeah that article is from mid 2016, the law wasnt actually released until the first of this year. BB has to stay on the new RAW afaik I'm no lawyer, I've been wrong before, and please don't take my word for it....but I'm of the opinion that there is nothing in that statement prohibiting you from changing it BEFORE it is registered. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 11:19:00 PM EDT
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The proposed regulations say something to the effect that 'you can't change the BB after the rifle is registered' I'm no lawyer, I've been wrong before, and please don't take my word for it....but I'm of the opinion that there is nothing in that statement prohibiting you from changing it BEFORE it is registered. 
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Posted: 1/12/2017 1:25:46 AM EDT
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its worth a shot, what do you have to lose? I with what he said but I think the whole thing is leading to California confiscation in a few years. It's not looking good for you guys. The Nazi party is taking over California. Let's hope that 1-3 libs kick it or retire on the SC so that they will hear a challenge to this civil liberty raping law. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:32:35 AM EDT
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The proposed regulations say something to the effect that 'you can't change the BB after the rifle is registered' I'm no lawyer, I've been wrong before, and please don't take my word for it....but I'm of the opinion that there is nothing in that statement prohibiting you from changing it BEFORE it is registered. I read the draft regulations. The draft regulations actually specify that you have to have a picture of the BB when you register and then, as noted by others, you can't change from the BB to regular mag release after registration. Analysis by others, and I agree, is that the Cal DOJ overstepped their authority in writing this regulation in a way that is not consistent with the law passed. They are attempting to plug a hole that the law left open, which was that, as the laws reads to a normal person, you can remove your BB as long as you register it as a RAW or go featureless. My hope is that the NRA folks will bring a lawsuit and successfully overturn the regulations. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 2:52:08 PM EDT
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I read the draft regulations. The draft regulations actually specify that you have to have a picture of the BB when you register and then, as noted by others, you can't change from the BB to regular mag release after registration. Analysis by others, and I agree, is that the Cal DOJ overstepped their authority in writing this regulation in a way that is not consistent with the law passed. They are attempting to plug a hole that the law left open, which was that, as the laws reads to a normal person, you can remove your BB as long as you register it as a RAW or go featureless. My hope is that the NRA folks will bring a lawsuit and successfully overturn the regulations. Because, and again, I'm not a lawyer, just an idiot, my interpretation is that you could theoretically convert a BB rifle to featureless (with no need to register), and then convert the featureless to a 'AW' without a BB, photo it, and register it. Yes, the act of converting it from featureless to AW is 'creating an AW'...but that's why you're registering it. I'm pretty sure I'm on thin ice with that theory, but then in reality all my ARs are already featureless and are staying that way. I'm just trying to do the legal mental gymnastics for the sake of discussion. |
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Posted: 1/15/2017 10:17:35 PM EDT
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Truly not trying to be argumentative, but just hoping to get to the bottom of this. Can you show/quote/or link to where it says you must have 'a pic of the BB in place when you register it'? Because, and again, I'm not a lawyer, just an idiot, my interpretation is that you could theoretically convert a BB rifle to featureless (with no need to register), and then convert the featureless to a 'AW' without a BB, photo it, and register it. Yes, the act of converting it from featureless to AW is 'creating an AW'...but that's why you're registering it. I'm pretty sure I'm on thin ice with that theory, but then in reality all my ARs are already featureless and are staying that way. I'm just trying to do the legal mental gymnastics for the sake of discussion. Hollywood, See the document at the link. Link: https://cdn.firearmspolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/bullet-button-proposed-regulations.pdf The requirement to have a picture of the BB for registration is in paragraph 5474.c and the requirement that you cannot modify the mag release after registration is paragraph 5477.a. Life sucks in SoCal.... P.S. Funny that the name of the Contact Person for DOJ is a alternative spelling of "Douche" as in "Douche Bag." See Page 1..... Ken |
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Posted: 1/15/2017 11:55:25 PM EDT
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Hollywood, See the document at the link. Link: https://cdn.firearmspolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/bullet-button-proposed-regulations.pdf The requirement to have a picture of the BB for registration is in paragraph 5474.c and the requirement that you cannot modify the mag release after registration is paragraph 5477.a. Life sucks in SoCal.... P.S. Funny that the name of the Contact Person for DOJ is a alternative spelling of "Douche" as in "Douche Bag." See Page 1..... Ken However, not to be dense, I still have to wonder, if we know you can legally convert a BB rifle to a featureless rifle, could you then legally decide to register it by putting back the 'evil features', except no bullet button? When I get a chance I'll have to read-around some more and see if there is any language that specifically prohibits that chain of events, because it seems to me that (while certainly the DOJ is not encouraging that choice) it is not specifically prohibited in that language. Yeah, I'm probably being dense.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:38:09 AM EDT
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NY outlawed "muzzle breaks" (sic), but the circuit court upheld the ban on muzzle brakes.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 8:57:16 AM EDT
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Fuck Mexico, Trump needs to build a wall around California
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:29:20 PM EDT
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OK -- got that --- and seriously THANK you for that link, much appreciated. However, not to be dense, I still have to wonder, if we know you can legally convert a BB rifle to a featureless rifle, could you then legally decide to register it by putting back the 'evil features', except no bullet button? When I get a chance I'll have to read-around some more and see if there is any language that specifically prohibits that chain of events, because it seems to me that (while certainly the DOJ is not encouraging that choice) it is not specifically prohibited in that language. Yeah, I'm probably being dense. Hollywood, Paragraph 5472(b) says "The Department will not register a firearm that was required to be registered under prior assault weapon registration laws in effect before January 1 2017." A weapon modified with evil features and a normal mag release would have been required to be registered before Jan 1, 2017. So, they blocked that path... Sh*t out of Luck |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:29:57 PM EDT
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They also did a few things that the law did not authorize, like claim that semiauto shotguns with evil features and BBs have to be registered. The original law did not change the paragraph on shotguns, which was likely an oversight, but, still, that is the law passed. Your thought that the law allows a regular mag release if you register is right. The law, as modified, does not have a classification of detachable magazines that require a tool - That's not discussed whatsoever. DOJ just made that up in the regs. [Lifting some text from another thread] The DOJ have now created a total of FOUR classifications of magazine:
Detachable - Standard release, bullet button with a MagMagnet, magazine catch removed Non-Detachable - Magazine may be detached through the use of a tool without disassembly of the action i.e. Bullet Button Fixed - Partial disassembly of the action is required to remove the magazine Permanent - Cast, welded, or otherwise permanently attached None of the above, with a 10 round magazine, are sufficient to trigger AW status for a rifle that has no evil features. The legislation authorizes the DOJ to draft regulations related to implementation of the registration procedure. However, they were not authorized to make changes to firearms not impacted by the new legislation. Thus, DOJ regulations that now are configured to make people keep the BBs are ripe for challenge. As I mentioned above, I hope the NRA takes them to court, but, that may take a couple years and then there is no guarantee of winning in the 9th circuit. Elections matter..... Thank goodness that we will soon have a President that believes in the Constitution. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:38:00 PM EDT
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Hollywood, Paragraph 5472(b) says "The Department will not register a firearm that was required to be registered under prior assault weapon registration laws in effect before January 1 2017." A weapon modified with evil features and a normal mag release would have been required to be registered before Jan 1, 2017. So, they blocked that path... Sh*t out of Luck |
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Posted: 1/25/2017 1:36:53 AM EDT
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So glad I bailed out of that state. tell me about it..I wish to the gods I could just up and leave this libtard state... |
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Posted: 1/25/2017 2:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: tell me about it..I wish to the gods I could just up and leave this libtard state... We float concrete rafts here on the prairie, throw up Canadian lumber w/ Mexican labor, and call it a house. We sell 'em cheap. |
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