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Posted: 6/23/2013 6:53:24 PM EDT
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I have a 15/22 that hits what I aim it at, however it is mostly a plinker,
for a good dedicated 22 upper, try a CLE or accuracy speaks conversion, |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 4:18:51 AM EDT
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What kind of price are they asking for the Performance Center rifle, and what does it get you? Concur with the previous poster; mine is more a plinker/trainer for my centerfire AR. Can't say I've spent much time shooting for groups after the initial zero.
If the PC version has worthwhile improvements (say, a good trigger), then it might be worth doing, depending on the price. What level of accuracy are you looking for, and what purpose do you have in mind? It would make a great squirrel gun in states where it's legal. Moon |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 5:25:11 AM EDT
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The Performance Center Model comes with a match barrel and a tuned 2 stage trigger. I think under 700 is street price. I want to do around 1/2" at 50 yards with match ammo
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Posted: 6/24/2013 6:01:18 AM EDT
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I don't have much room to talk, with an SSA in mine, but I wouldn't go too crazy on the price.
As I said, it makes a better mid-range small game rifle and 'walkabout' gun (tho' I try not to walk down the railroad by our camp with an 'AR' in this day and age) than a pure target gun. Moon |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 7:06:25 AM EDT
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The Performance Center Model comes with a match barrel and a tuned 2 stage trigger. I think under 700 is street price. I want to do around 1/2" at 50 yards with match ammo That is a completely realistic expectation for the PC version but heed these few warnings: 1) Fire PLATED (re: copper washed or the newer black stuff) Quality, as in not bulk, ammo. Feel free to experiment with different types & brands. Let your barrel season before passing judgment. 2) DO NOT FIRE HYPER VELOCITY ammo (So like Actually Read your owners manual) 3) Keep the gun out of really hot conditions (95 to 105+) if you are going for accuracy. It aint gonna melt on you, but the upper will flex when heat soaked causing minor POI shifts. Ted |
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Posted: 6/24/2013 5:50:15 PM EDT
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3) Keep the gun out of really hot conditions (95 to 105+) if you are going for accuracy. It aint gonna melt on you, but the upper will flex when heat soaked causing minor POI shifts. Ted Now that is interesting. Moon |
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Posted: 6/25/2013 4:29:08 AM EDT
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3) Keep the gun out of really hot conditions (95 to 105+) if you are going for accuracy. It aint gonna melt on you, but the upper will flex when heat soaked causing minor POI shifts. Ted Now that is interesting. Moon Hey Moon, this has been, right from day one, the Achilles heel of the M&P15-22. We owned two of the original offerings and despite S&W's assurances that there is metal under the polymer in all the key areas it became obvious that in the upper receiver there wasn't enough. The barrel extension inserts in to the upper like in any metal gun and the barrel nut tightens down on metal threads. Undeniable, and is as it should be. But that threaded piece only extends a short distance in the upper and as such, when the polymer is very hot, you can move the barrel with finger pressure. Maybe this issue has been resolved through revisions, but all of the people down here that shoot enough to know say they are well aware of the problem. It gets really hot in the Ozarks. Smith knew about this and that is why they put an end cap on the forearm that has the little pimples that restrain the barrel. That cap helps with barrel rigidity when things get hot. This becomes an issue when owners swap out forearms and replace them with free-float types. Goodbye barrel support, S&W never intended the barrel to be without it. So how does this matter to the average guy who shoots for shits-n-giggles? Probably not much at all. But to someone who is all into accuracy (yeah, like me), it can result in the loss of a match, formal or informal. That is the story behind the comment. Ted |
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Posted: 6/25/2013 4:34:05 AM EDT
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I have had one for several years. Like the trigger, like the barrel, like the stock. Variations in ammo (one brand to another) are immediate and repeatable. It is a favorite gun and I use it frequently.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 5:08:28 AM EDT
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1) Fire PLATED (re: copper washed or the newer black stuff) Quality, as in not bulk, ammo. Feel free to experiment with different types & brands. Let your barrel season before passing judgment. 2) DO NOT FIRE HYPER VELOCITY ammo (So like Actually Read your owners manual) 3) Keep the gun out of really hot conditions (95 to 105+) if you are going for accuracy. It aint gonna melt on you, but the upper will flex when heat soaked causing minor POI shifts. Ted I violated all three of those things on Saturday alone.  (I sure had fun in the Oregon desert... Shame no tasty bunnies came home with me)
I've put a couple thousand rounds through mine. CCI Mini Mags seem to be the winner for me when I want it to hit a target repeatably. I put in a cheap set of JP trigger springs in to lighten up the pull (though I occasionally swap in my Geissele when I want to really do some cool stuff with it), and I had to send the rifle in to S&W to fix an OOB, and upgrade my old gen springs in the bolt. My opinion, but I wouldn't spend too much upgrading a 15-22. Trigger springs and a nice butt stock will make it a decent enough shooter. If MOA is your goal, you should really step it up to a .223, and play with that. |
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Posted: 6/25/2013 4:33:49 PM EDT
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1) Fire PLATED (re: copper washed or the newer black stuff) Quality, as in not bulk, ammo. Feel free to experiment with different types & brands. Let your barrel season before passing judgment. 2) DO NOT FIRE HYPER VELOCITY ammo (So like Actually Read your owners manual) 3) Keep the gun out of really hot conditions (95 to 105+) if you are going for accuracy. It aint gonna melt on you, but the upper will flex when heat soaked causing minor POI shifts. Ted I violated all three of those things on Saturday alone. (I sure had fun in the Oregon desert... Shame no tasty bunnies came home with me)
I've put a couple thousand rounds through mine. CCI Mini Mags seem to be the winner for me when I want it to hit a target repeatably. I put in a cheap set of JP trigger springs in to lighten up the pull (though I occasionally swap in my Geissele when I want to really do some cool stuff with it), and I had to send the rifle in to S&W to fix an OOB, and upgrade my old gen springs in the bolt. My opinion, but I wouldn't spend too much upgrading a 15-22. Trigger springs and a nice butt stock will make it a decent enough shooter. If MOA is your goal, you should really step it up to a .223, and play with that. I have sub MOA 223's and 6.5 Grendel to shoot when I want centerfire. I am not looking for a bullet hose I am looking for 22 LR version of my Centerfire rifles. If I get one Ill put a Geissele in it, just like the rest of my rifles. The rifle I am talking about comes from S&W performance center with a match grade barrel. |
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Posted: 6/25/2013 6:42:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why not just build a dedicated upper? My TACCOM ULW shoots sub 1 MOA @ 50 yards (with the right ammo). Also, the 14oz barrel coupled with a NSR hand guard makes for an extremely light rifle.Quoted: Quoted: 1) Fire PLATED (re: copper washed or the newer black stuff) Quality, as in not bulk, ammo. Feel free to experiment with different types & brands. Let your barrel season before passing judgment. 2) DO NOT FIRE HYPER VELOCITY ammo (So like Actually Read your owners manual) 3) Keep the gun out of really hot conditions (95 to 105+) if you are going for accuracy. It aint gonna melt on you, but the upper will flex when heat soaked causing minor POI shifts. Ted I violated all three of those things on Saturday alone. (I sure had fun in the Oregon desert... Shame no tasty bunnies came home with me)I've put a couple thousand rounds through mine. CCI Mini Mags seem to be the winner for me when I want it to hit a target repeatably. I put in a cheap set of JP trigger springs in to lighten up the pull (though I occasionally swap in my Geissele when I want to really do some cool stuff with it), and I had to send the rifle in to S&W to fix an OOB, and upgrade my old gen springs in the bolt. My opinion, but I wouldn't spend too much upgrading a 15-22. Trigger springs and a nice butt stock will make it a decent enough shooter. If MOA is your goal, you should really step it up to a .223, and play with that. I have sub MOA 223's and 6.5 Grendel to shoot when I want centerfire. I am not looking for a bullet hose I am looking for 22 LR version of my Centerfire rifles. If I get one Ill put a Geissele in it, just like the rest of my rifles. The rifle I am talking about comes from S&W performance center with a match grade barrel. |
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Posted: 6/25/2013 6:57:14 PM EDT
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I may I looked at TACCOM but I am not really interested in light weight and thats all I saw there.
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Posted: 6/28/2013 7:51:07 AM EDT
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Hey Moon, this has been, right from day one, the Achilles heel of the M&P15-22. We owned two of the original offerings and despite S&W's assurances that there is metal under the polymer in all the key areas it became obvious that in the upper receiver there wasn't enough. The barrel extension inserts in to the upper like in any metal gun and the barrel nut tightens down on metal threads. Undeniable, and is as it should be. But that threaded piece only extends a short distance in the upper and as such, when the polymer is very hot, you can move the barrel with finger pressure. Maybe this issue has been resolved through revisions, but all of the people down here that shoot enough to know say they are well aware of the problem. It gets really hot in the Ozarks. Smith knew about this and that is why they put an end cap on the forearm that has the little pimples that restrain the barrel. That cap helps with barrel rigidity when things get hot. This becomes an issue when owners swap out forearms and replace them with free-float types. Goodbye barrel support, S&W never intended the barrel to be without it. So how does this matter to the average guy who shoots for shits-n-giggles? Probably not much at all. But to someone who is all into accuracy (yeah, like me), it can result in the loss of a match, formal or informal. That is the story behind the comment. Ted Excellent info in this post. I wish it were more widely known and more widely discussed. You just saved me from buying a rifle which I would have quickly come to decide was a piece of junk. You saved me time and money. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/28/2013 8:53:38 AM EDT
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Hey Moon, this has been, right from day one, the Achilles heel of the M&P15-22. We owned two of the original offerings and despite S&W's assurances that there is metal under the polymer in all the key areas it became obvious that in the upper receiver there wasn't enough. The barrel extension inserts in to the upper like in any metal gun and the barrel nut tightens down on metal threads. Undeniable, and is as it should be. But that threaded piece only extends a short distance in the upper and as such, when the polymer is very hot, you can move the barrel with finger pressure. Maybe this issue has been resolved through revisions, but all of the people down here that shoot enough to know say they are well aware of the problem. It gets really hot in the Ozarks. Smith knew about this and that is why they put an end cap on the forearm that has the little pimples that restrain the barrel. That cap helps with barrel rigidity when things get hot. This becomes an issue when owners swap out forearms and replace them with free-float types. Goodbye barrel support, S&W never intended the barrel to be without it. So how does this matter to the average guy who shoots for shits-n-giggles? Probably not much at all. But to someone who is all into accuracy (yeah, like me), it can result in the loss of a match, formal or informal. That is the story behind the comment. Ted Excellent info in this post. I wish it were more widely known and more widely discussed. You just saved me from buying a rifle which I would have quickly come to decide was a piece of junk. You saved me time and money. Thanks. The S&W M&P15-22 is far from a piece of junk. It is a well made and reliable carbine that will out last the operator if cared for properly. It, like every gun made, has its quirks and peculiarities, the heat issue being one of them that someone who is intending to use the gun competitively should be aware of. For the casual shooter it may be just right. You would do well to pick one up at the local gun store and judge it first hand. While I prefer Mil-Spec based metal guns, of the polymer guns made, the M&P15-22 is the best. Ted |
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Posted: 6/28/2013 9:22:20 PM EDT
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Excellent info in this post. I wish it were more widely known and more widely discussed. You just saved me from buying a rifle which I would have quickly come to decide was a piece of junk. You saved me time and money. Thanks.
The M & P 15-22 is far from a piece of junk! I have a 15-22 with over 2k rounds through it, and both a CMMG M4 and TacSol dedicated uppers. The 15-22 is a very reliable and adequatley accurate rifle, equal to the CMMG upper, neither has missed a beat. Not target quality, but more than accurate enough for plinking, training and having fun. Have not shot the TacSol yet. Need to decide what scope to buy. May throw an Aimpoint or Eotech on it this weekend to try it out, but I am expecting better accuracy than the other two. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 11:03:18 AM EDT
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Excellent info in this post. I wish it were more widely known and more widely discussed. You just saved me from buying a rifle which I would have quickly come to decide was a piece of junk. You saved me time and money. Thanks.[/quote] The S&W M&P15-22 is far from a piece of junk. It is a well made and reliable carbine that will out last the operator if cared for properly. It, like every gun made, has its quirks and peculiarities, the heat issue being one of them that someone who is intending to use the gun competitively should be aware of. For the casual shooter it may be just right. You would do well to pick one up at the local gun store and judge it first hand. While I prefer Mil-Spec based metal guns, of the polymer guns made, the M&P15-22 is the best. Ted [/quote] Concur entirely. I've shot the snot out of mine; I've irons on mine, and it's set up like my centerfire. It's adequately accurate, will eat about anything, and has made me an infinitely better shot with the centerfire rifle. As consumers, we all have to decide what what we want out of a gun; mine meets my needs, and didn't cost a whole lot of money. Moon |
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Posted: 7/2/2013 8:17:57 AM EDT
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So to summarize the thread to date, no one's actually bothered to shell out for a P/C 15-22, and no one knows of any reviews?
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Posted: 7/2/2013 12:04:13 PM EDT
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So to summarize the thread to date, no one's actually bothered to shell out for a P/C 15-22, and no one knows of any reviews? Pretty much |
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Posted: 7/2/2013 3:49:12 PM EDT
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So to summarize the thread to date, no one's actually bothered to shell out for a P/C 15-22, and no one knows of any reviews? Maybe this:http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f25/s-w-m-p-15-22-performance-center-95826/ or maybe this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTcIgh45u8w you probably saw this: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/161947-m-p-15-22-performance-center-model.html and a little bit here: http://m14forum.com/rimfire/107015-first-shots-s-w-m-p-15-22-a.html Other than this stuff and what I've written here from time to time there aint much goin down. Ted |
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Posted: 7/2/2013 4:51:55 PM EDT
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The Performance Center Model comes with a match barrel and a tuned 2 stage trigger. I think under 700 is street price. I want to do around 1/2" at 50 yards with match ammo I am getting close to that with a reg 15/22 and bulk Federal (from bags and a red dot). I have been super impressed with the accuracy. It is close to that of my Marlin Model 60, and that says a lot. 
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Posted: 7/2/2013 6:37:14 PM EDT
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So to summarize the thread to date, no one's actually bothered to shell out for a P/C 15-22, and no one knows of any reviews? Maybe this:http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f25/s-w-m-p-15-22-performance-center-95826/ or maybe this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTcIgh45u8w you probably saw this: http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/161947-m-p-15-22-performance-center-model.html and a little bit here: http://m14forum.com/rimfire/107015-first-shots-s-w-m-p-15-22-a.html Other than this stuff and what I've written here from time to time there aint much goin down. Ted You have provided good Info on the 15/22 it looks like not many are springing for the performance center model. I have only found one accuracy based review and that is all I am really interested in. Thanks again for postining ETA some one said it sounded like I didnt wasnt people posting about standard 15/22 and I don't mean to come across like a jerk. Thankful for info on the 15/22 and what any one has to share. |
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