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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:24:24 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Price of ammo is 13.99 a box of 9mm vs about 19 for .45. What would be my best choice, and would eather be quiter than the other if both are subsonic? Which would you choose, considering mags and such possibling being a PITA. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:33:20 PM
[Last Edit: 7/4/2012 10:42:49 PM by tammons]
Well for me it would be a 45 so I could run heavy bullets at 45 super levels, but that may not interest you.
If you want a real people/critter stopper I say 45. If you want to throw down some serious lead - load up some 265 gr WFNGC bullets at Super level. 9mm just for cheap plinking. I know nothing about either in ar15, only pistol. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:13:47 PM
Unless you are/plan to reload, the 9mm will be cheaper. Either one will be bad ass suppressed. If I knew I could get one and it run right, I'd go big with the .45.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 1:38:49 AM
[Last Edit: 7/5/2012 1:38:49 AM by Cold]
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Posted: 7/5/2012 2:08:44 AM
9's are more common and you'll have more options. I've heard that 9's suppress better too. I had thought .45's would, but it's the 9's smaller bore diameter letting less gas out all at once. Been told this by people with experience in the matter.
.45 SBR makes me think of Thompsons. :) |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:20:42 PM
Originally Posted By Woody600:
9's are more common and you'll have more options. I've heard that 9's suppress better too. I had thought .45's would, but it's the 9's smaller bore diameter letting less gas out all at once. Been told this by people with experience in the matter. .45 SBR makes me think of Thompsons. :) I'd echo Woody's thoughts. If you want a .45 and SBR, might as well go with the Chicago typewriter and be done with it. For actual shooting, and lots of it, the 9mm is a better choice; more shots, more magazine availability, lighter weight, and a much more familiar package (unless you're Elliot Ness). Both rounds are easy to reload, but the larger bullet of the .45 adds substantially to cost. Magazines in 9mm can be Metalform/Colt, with CProducts as perhaps an alternative. I'd give the 9mm a flatter trajectory, tho' neither one is a long range weapon. Moon |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 9:53:31 PM
.45 lovers love .45, period. They have a case. But, for many of us 9mm makes a lot of sense, as in dollars and cents. Far easier to build (more parts choices), cheaper to shoot and much easier to find magazines, etc. The argument that .45 is the only round worth shooting, for me, ranks up there with a Harley being the only motorcycle...the rest are toys.If I wanted a range toy and some light work I would go with 9mm as its far less hassle and expense. If you really have to have a .45 then get out your credit card and give Ron Williams a call.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 7:44:29 PM
[Last Edit: 7/6/2012 7:45:21 PM by rjrivero]
Originally Posted By 346ci:
Unless you are/plan to reload, the 9mm will be cheaper. Either one will be bad ass suppressed. If I knew I could get one and it run right, I'd go big with the .45. Even if you reload, 9mm is cheaper. I do have a couple .45 carbines, one is an old skool Marlin Camp .45 that uses my 1911 mags, the other is a Kriss Super V SBR that uses Glock Mags. I prefer shooting my 9mm AR's over the other two 5:1. They suppress better and are cheaper to shoot. FWIW, Ron Williams also makes a DI 9mm upper. So that becomes a "draw." |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 8:57:42 PM
RMW can do a 9mm too..... As far as 9mm vs 45, it makes the world go round....
Dave S |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:38:07 PM
RMW .45 acp 8" upper here, works great on my AR SBR and pistol. Just waiting on my Osprey to ship!
I cast my own 230gr RN from free wheel weights. Cost is low once you get set up with a melting pot and free range brass. Ben |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 8:07:31 PM
Originally Posted By YaMaMa:
RMW .45 acp 8" upper here, works great on my AR SBR and pistol. Just waiting on my Osprey to ship! I cast my own 230gr RN from free wheel weights. Cost is low once you get set up with a melting pot and free range brass. Ben So, your plan is to shoot cast bullets in your sealed Osprey 45? Lube and lead flung all around? No thanks. |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 12:57:53 PM
I went 9mm...
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Posted: 7/10/2012 9:50:25 PM
[Last Edit: 7/10/2012 9:52:13 PM by Johnny_C]
I have a 16" 9mm carbine &
a 7" 9mm pistol, both Oly's. They both use slightly modified Sten mags. Those mags are built like tanks, and are pretty cheap. One or both go with me every range trip and match. John |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 10:30:10 PM
I have an Olympics Arms 45 upper and it is my new favorite gun. I reload 45 with Clays and lead SWCs and have a blast shotting it at the 400 yard steel and our range. you have time to shoot then move the rifle to the side to look/listen for the "ding"-Bill
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Posted: 7/12/2012 10:42:08 PM
Originally Posted By ffr1910:
I have an Olympics Arms 45 upper and it is my new favorite gun. I reload 45 with Clays and lead SWCs and have a blast shotting it at the 400 yard steel and our range. you have time to shoot then move the rifle to the side to look/listen for the "ding"-Bill Kinda like indirect fire........... |
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Posted: 7/12/2012 10:46:11 PM
9mm is going to be cheaper, lower recoil, easier to suppress, and about the same terminal effect as .45 with good JHP but damned if I don't just LIKE the .45 ACP more.
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Posted: 7/12/2012 11:13:54 PM
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
9mm is going to be cheaper, lower recoil, easier to suppress, and about the same terminal effect as .45 with good JHP but damned if I don't just LIKE the .45 ACP more. If the .45 is DI......it'll have less recoil than any blowback AR.........I have both.......have the blowback primarily to demo prior to showing a DI |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 12:00:54 AM
Originally Posted By rjrivero:
Originally Posted By YaMaMa:
RMW .45 acp 8" upper here, works great on my AR SBR and pistol. Just waiting on my Osprey to ship! I cast my own 230gr RN from free wheel weights. Cost is low once you get set up with a melting pot and free range brass. Ben So, your plan is to shoot cast bullets in your sealed Osprey 45? Lube and lead flung all around? No thanks. Not sure where you read I was shooting cast boolots in a suppressor? I don't have my Osprey yet, I'll be saving a ton shooting cast for now and then move to FMJ for the Osprey when I get it. And shoot cast for blasting ammo. I've seen the inside of my Sparrow after 2k rounds of lead nose.... DIRTY! But not sure how much was lead. 45 acp fps is slower than .22 but not sure how dirty the can would get? |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 9:16:52 AM
If you choose to go with a 45 ACP setup you can add a 45 supressor, then as time goes by get yourself a 9mm setup and use the 45 supressor on it also
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Posted: 7/15/2012 1:51:37 PM
[Last Edit: 7/15/2012 1:52:59 PM by rjrivero]
Originally Posted By YaMaMa:
Originally Posted By rjrivero:
Originally Posted By YaMaMa:
RMW .45 acp 8" upper here, works great on my AR SBR and pistol. Just waiting on my Osprey to ship! I cast my own 230gr RN from free wheel weights. Cost is low once you get set up with a melting pot and free range brass. Ben So, your plan is to shoot cast bullets in your sealed Osprey 45? Lube and lead flung all around? No thanks. Not sure where you read I was shooting cast boolots in a suppressor? I don't have my Osprey yet, I'll be saving a ton shooting cast for now and then move to FMJ for the Osprey when I get it. And shoot cast for blasting ammo. I've seen the inside of my Sparrow after 2k rounds of lead nose.... DIRTY! But not sure how much was lead. 45 acp fps is slower than .22 but not sure how dirty the can would get? Didn't say that you were doing that. I asked if that was your plan. I have no problems shooting cast lead through a suppressor. I would not shoot cast lead in a sealed suppressor that isn't user serviceable. Too many factors involved in predicting HOW MUCH junk is accumulated in a suppressor with cast boolits. Lead hardness, type of lube used, powder charge, velocity, etc. However, I personally wouldn't do it in a sealed can. Just my opinion, ymmv. John Titsworth did a nice little article on a 9mm Trident-9 that accumulated so much junk it was no longer hearing safe, and that was with JACKETED bullets. |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 3:38:34 PM
After a lifetime of shooting cast boolits (cast by me in some cases), I've been drifting away toward jackets due to high blood lead levels. A lot of my shooting is at an indoor range, and despite major ventilation improvements, I'll likely continue to shoot more jackets. I shoot outdoors as well, and roll my own ammo, but at some point it stops being effective to load and stockpile two different loadings depending on where you're going to shoot it.
Which takes us (or at least me) back to 9mm as a more cost-effective way to shoot, as the jacketed projectiles are just a whole lot less expensive in material and (a biggie) shipping. One of the many great things about a pistol caliber carbine is the ability to shoot it indoors without damaging backstops, and at reactive targets as well. I'm still laughing about the PP shooting at 400 yds with one; wonder if he ever calculated how high above line of sight the round goes before coming down on the gong? That's just a hoot! Utterly no bone to pick with .45s; the 1911 is one of mankind's great inventions. But for shooting, and lots of it, in an AR carbine, the smaller round is the way to go. What I will be picking are some brains around here regarding suppressing an SBR at some point. Moon |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 3:44:31 PM
[Last Edit: 7/15/2012 3:45:20 PM by halfmoonclip]
Double tap
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Posted: 7/17/2012 11:48:48 AM
[Last Edit: 7/17/2012 1:54:25 PM by springerfanatic]
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
9mm is going to be cheaper, lower recoil, easier to suppress, and about the same terminal effect as .45 with good JHP but damned if I don't just LIKE the .45 ACP more. I don't post much here and normally just read & learn but I have to ask... How is 9mm easier to suppress? If you're goal is to have something that is easy to shoot quietly wouldn't a platform where almost all loads are subsonic be the best? You can go to walmart and buy 230 gr bulk .45 that is much easier to suppress than regular 9mm loads, off the shelf sub sonic 9mm that may not cycle, expensive 147gr loads that negate the cost savings of 9mm, or starting to load your own 9mm just to achieve subsonic suppression. I'm looking into a .45acp SBR for a suppressor host so I thought I'd ask. |
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Posted: 7/17/2012 4:35:13 PM
Somebody will pipe in with more info, but I've read elsewhere that the larger volume of ejecta with the .45 makes it harder to suppress, even tho' its bullets are subsonic.
Moon |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 6:33:07 PM
Originally Posted By halfmoonclip:
Somebody will pipe in with more info, but I've read elsewhere that the larger volume of ejecta with the .45 makes it harder to suppress, even tho' its bullets are subsonic. Moon I have not heard a suppressed .45 carbine, but I have shot suppressed .45acp pistols. They are quiet enough for me with 235 grain projectiles. Without hearing protection, I could hear the action cycle, a little phht noise, and the loudest sound was the bullet striking the berm 25yds downrange. If you want to shoot suppressed, .45 is the way to go. You can get heavy bullets that are designed to have good terminal performance at subsonic speeds. For critter control, a heavy .45 sub will get the job done and it will work with factory loads. For 9mm, you will struggle to find a load that will stay subsonic. You will have to buy specialty subsonic ammunition with 147gr or greater bullet weight. If you can find the ammo in stock, it will cost you $20 - $25 per box. |
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