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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:15:31 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I recently purchased a CMMG 9mm lower and a Rock River Arms 9mm upper. Although they mate up, the bolt won't cycle at all. Any input? I believe the feed ramps are dragging below the bolt. I will chalk the bottom of the bolt to check but wanted to ask in case someone has already been through this. thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:19:58 PM
Make sure you don't have a notch hammer I must be round or it will hang up on the carrier.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:43:46 PM
After some application of lubricant, its stiff but operating now. I guess I got a little nervous when I couldn't get the charging handle to move. Its doing better now. I'll bet that after a few rounds it will operate more freely.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 2:58:08 PM
Welcome aboard!
Please clarify what you mean by "won't cycle at all". Manually or when firing? What magazines are you using? Did you clean and lubricate the upper and lower before you tested? (My factory RRA 9mm carbine came with minimal "preservative" on the bolt and inside the receiver, so I cleaned and lubed it well before even trying to function test it.) |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 3:27:05 PM
[Last Edit: 6/17/2012 3:29:38 PM by nypd4888]
Thanks,
Just trying to manually cycle the action. Have not fired it. When I first mated the upper and lower halves, the charging handle wouldn't budge. Now its getting better since taking the timne to lubricate it. I have Colt pre-ban stick magazines for my rifle. The CMMG lower has a mag well that's milled from one solid block which I like much more than the standard insert kit for a 223 based lower. I know that the new 9mm upper was very lightly lubed by RRA when they function fired it. Just needed a whole lot more lube. |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 3:49:12 PM
You might want to hop over to the CMMG forum and read up on their 9mm lowers. They are made slightly different than the RRA and they do a bit of a different BHO than is used on the RRA.
I have both the CMMG and the RRA 9mm's. I had an unexplained wear mark on my bolt hold open latch until I learned there were some variations in the dimensions between the two. Now I have all the right bolts in the right guns and life is good. MY CMMG lower has been one very reliable and trouble free unit. I do run a CMMG bolt with the upper on that lower however. John Overstreet from CMMG wrote some about this back sometime last year. Try a search on "CMMG 9mm" and you might be able to find this info as he addressed this in their forum. |
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Posted: 6/17/2012 6:34:21 PM
thanks. I will look into it.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 7:41:16 PM
Also note that Rock River uses tolerances that make their receivers TIGHT when they mate upper to lower. It can take some breaking in to get things running smoothly.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 10:26:06 PM
I have the same combo you do. CMMG lower w RRA upper. I had to dremel a small amount of material (maybe 1/32") from the right/top side of the BHO to give adequate clearance for the bolt to move freely. The area of removal is maybe 1/4" square. 5 minute operation and it works perfectly.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 11:19:29 PM
Originally Posted By Imdelaw:
I have the same combo you do. CMMG lower w RRA upper. I had to dremel a small amount of material (maybe 1/32") from the right/top side of the BHO to give adequate clearance for the bolt to move freely. The area of removal is maybe 1/4" square. 5 minute operation and it works perfectly. I second this. This is your answer. It will work like a champ after this. |
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Posted: 6/18/2012 5:29:17 AM
[Last Edit: 6/18/2012 7:39:08 AM by nypd4888]
Can someone post a picture of the mod? Just want to be sure of what the "BHO" is.
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Posted: 6/19/2012 7:56:13 PM
I can make a 9mm AR work, but I have no clue how to post pics! The BHO is the Bolt Hold Open (or bolt stop, bolt catch, or any of a half dozen correct or incorrect terms). If you are looking at the lower from above with the pistol grip in your hand and the mag well facing away from you, it will be that moving part just behind the mag well, with the "ping pong paddle" shaped lever sticking out the left side of the receiver. You want to take a small amount of material off the top of the right side. The area you need to remove is about 1/4" square, starting on the right side and moving inward. You only need to remove about 1/32" of depth.
If I can find the tutorial on posting pics, I'll see if I can post some. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 9:56:05 AM
Originally Posted By Imdelaw:
I can make a 9mm AR work, but I have no clue how to post pics! The BHO is the Bolt Hold Open (or bolt stop, bolt catch, or any of a half dozen correct or incorrect terms). If you are looking at the lower from above with the pistol grip in your hand and the mag well facing away from you, it will be that moving part just behind the mag well, with the "ping pong paddle" shaped lever sticking out the left side of the receiver. You want to take a small amount of material off the top of the right side. The area you need to remove is about 1/4" square, starting on the right side and moving inward. You only need to remove about 1/32" of depth. If I can find the tutorial on posting pics, I'll see if I can post some. Do you have a shop? |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:19:48 PM
I have the same setup. I can tell you that you will need to carefully take a little off the top of the BHO catch. I took too much off mine and didn't realize it until I bought some mags with BHO. I use modified UZI mags as they are super cheap and work.
Also, think about getting a RRA hammer and some KNS pins. You won't be sorry |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:03:32 PM
Just file the top of the bolt hold open. Do a little then see if the bolt will cycle. If not then take a litle more. Repeat until the bolt moves freely. After that it should run without a hitch.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:34:38 PM
My first outing with this showed me where I needed to remove some metal! There was a definite little wear mark. I wonder if you just hand cycled the bolt a few times if it wouldn't make this show up enough to know there to remove the material. I will have to dig out that lower and maybe get a picture of where the interference is.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 11:04:43 AM
[Last Edit: 6/21/2012 11:06:02 AM by nypd4888]
Thanks Gents, I'll have a closer look at it later today. I have a RRA 9mm hammer on order so at least I can tinker back and forth to get it just right. Appreciate the input.
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Posted: 6/21/2012 12:44:52 PM
To Kevin, if you're asking do I have a gunstore/gunsmith shop, the answer is no! Although I sometimes think I'm in the wrong line of work given my interests....
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:20:32 PM
Originally Posted By Imdelaw:
To Kevin, if you're asking do I have a gunstore/gunsmith shop, the answer is no! Although I sometimes think I'm in the wrong line of work given my interests.... You should definitely open one. |
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