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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:26:38 PM
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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:29:19 PM
I have a CMMG all stainless conversion and it works great..what I did is I bout an unlined barreled upper using a wilson barrel and use that as my dedicated .22 upper...still though my 10/22 with BX 25 25 rd mags is the most reliable .22 I have.
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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:46:03 PM
.22 conversions like to run WET with oil. Shooting them in your .223 upper is ok out to 25 yards. After that accuracy suffers due to the faster twist rate in the barrel. If your looking for pin point accuracy out to 100 yards your better off getting a dedicated upper or complete rifle. Also check out the Rimfire and Pistol Caliber forum Here
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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:56:01 PM
The twist of your 5.56 barrels has a lot affect on the rimfire ammo. Every barrel is unique but generally the faster twist barrels like 1 in 7 twist produce larger groups and more fliers than slower twist barrels. Some posters state they've gotten decent accuracy out the 60 grain Aguila SSS ammo in faster twist barrels. In my 1 in 9 twist I get decent accuracy and good reliablity out of Federal 36 grain 550 bulk packs.
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Posted: 5/21/2012 1:07:04 PM
+ 1 on the CMMG stainless unit with Federal bulk packs. I had an issue with my first one, (backplate broke at the weld and flew across the range) but CMMG was quick to send me replacement parts, and now it runs like a champ.
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Posted: 5/21/2012 1:53:04 PM
I have a 1 in 9. From the look of the pics I've seen does the part that fits in the 223 chamber stay there and the rear of the bolt move on the spring and the buffer and spring keep it in place? What about the gas tube?
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Posted: 5/21/2012 2:08:32 PM
You have twist issues AND bore diameter issues. IF you want to drive tacks you will need to go dedicated upper. IF you just want to blast without worrying about hitting jack at 50-60 yards go for the swap out BCG..
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Posted: 5/21/2012 2:43:47 PM
Originally Posted By ww15krd:
I have a 1 in 9. From the look of the pics I've seen does the part that fits in the 223 chamber stay there and the rear of the bolt move on the spring and the buffer and spring keep it in place? What about the gas tube? Yes, the chamber adapter stays in and the bolt rides along the adapter rails. They're a lot of fun and an easy way to get into rimfire conversions and see if you like it on your AR. The design of the bolt is such that it doesn't have an issue with the gas tube. |
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Posted: 5/21/2012 2:59:39 PM
Thanks. Thats the next thing on the list to get so I don't deplete my stash of 5.56 when its time to have some fun.
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Posted: 5/21/2012 3:07:51 PM
Originally Posted By ww15krd:
Thanks. Thats the next thing on the list to get so I don't deplete my stash of 5.56 when its time to have some fun. Well not to pop your bubble BUT if you intend to be profecient with the AR in FULL caliber dress you better shoot it that way. |
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Posted: 5/21/2012 3:30:35 PM
I will still practice with 5.56 but want a cheaper alternative when my kids and I want to go all crazy on some cans and such for fun plinking times thats all.
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Posted: 5/21/2012 3:36:38 PM
ignore the troll.
Using 22 lead bullets can leave a lot of lead fouling especially in the gas port which can cause cycling issues. running some 556 ammo through it or even cleaning out the gas tube/port may be needed occasionally. I was seriously considering a 22 conversion but decided that for close to the same money i could just buy a dedicated 22 rifle. |
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Posted: 5/21/2012 3:37:31 PM
Since nobody mentions this, I will add:
1. there is a risk that he lead will occlude the gas port hole. A lot of people shoot a few rounds of full power 5.56 at the end of each session to blow out the lead, residue etc 2. shooting a 40 gr slug in a 1:7 twist will have dispersion. Some people have good luck shooting Aquila SSS 60 gr but may have cycling issues. A conversion is good for short range to mimic the real thing but not for 50 yd tack driving. |
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Posted: 5/21/2012 3:54:29 PM
I like accuracy. I bought a CMMG dedicated barrel, conversion kit, and assembled a dedicated upper. With Fed bulk pack ammo, I can rip a ragged hole at 25 yards, shoot about 1" at 50 yards and about 3" at 100 yards with magnified optic (2X7 scope.) Not stellar groups, but fun to plink around with. I have bolt action 22's that will shame my AR conversion with most any ammo.
I've seen guys with the converstion kit in a 223 upper and accuracy is poor at best. Good at 25, pretty bad at 50 and non-existant at 100. If you just want to blast and plink at 25 yards, have fun. If you want accuracy, invest in an upper with dedicated barrel. Of course, you can buy the conversion now, shoot short range and save up some money, and buy the upper and barrel later using the same conversion kit you already have to complete the build. |
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Posted: 5/21/2012 4:20:04 PM
i got one and it's funner than a barrel of monkeys. turns one rifle into two. the change takes 30 seconds at most. liked it so much i built another dedicated upper in .22.
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Posted: 5/21/2012 5:22:39 PM
I've bought 3 of them.
They work in every AR I've tried them in. Had some magazine issues in one rifle. By coincidence (maybe) that is also the only rifle we've had leading issues in. All the ARs we've used them in have 1 turn in 9" barrels. The one that leaded up was a chrome lined 20" HBAR clone. The XM177 clone shoots exactly 3" low (vs. .223 ammo) at 25 meters. My 20" HBAR clone shoots about 3" low and almost 2" to the right at 25 meters. My son's .20" HBAR clone shot high and left at .25 meters. Another 20" HBAR clone shoots low left at 25 meters. My 16" carbine shoots a couple of inches low at 25 meters. It depends on the rifle and ammo where yours will shoot vs. .223 ammo - so get out and try different brands to see what shoots best (groups) and where vs. POA. I really enjoy shooting cheap .22 ammo through my rifle. Cheaper, still fun, don't notice recoi of an AR anyway (except that .300 Black Out that raps my nose more than the .223 or .22 rimfire). |
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Posted: 5/21/2012 8:13:19 PM
[Last Edit: 5/21/2012 8:13:19 PM by Lancelot]
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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:59:28 PM
I have an army M261conversion. I put it into a regular Bushmaster upper and shot it for about a box of shells and the accuracy fell off dramatically. The faster twist barrel was the culprit. Two to three inches in front of the chamber was leaded so heavily that the rifling could not be seen.
I put the conversion into a Colt SP-1 upper with a long rifling twist and it shot extremely well at all ranges. It has never leaded at all in the Colt upper after a lot of shooting. The faster twist is the boogeyman with conversions is most cases I think. Find an older pencil barrel and stick it on an upper of most any kind and the conversion will work well for you. |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 12:22:40 AM
[Last Edit: 5/23/2012 12:25:23 AM by Vulcanator]
My stainless Evolution bolt works like a champ. Took it to the range last Sunday, using Winchester ammo, with the exception of about 3-5 failure to fires due to dud rounds, it functioned flawlessly. In my 16" Bushmaster M4A3 using open sights, I easily group 3/4"-1" at 25yds, about 1 1/2" at 50yds, and 5" at 100yds. Make sure the ammo you use is jacketed, and fire a few .223 rounds after about 3-500 rounds of .22LR and you'll be good to go. :)
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