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Posted: 2/3/2012 1:44:12 PM

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Anyone built one off of one of these. I'm skeptical about polymer in a full caliber rifle but I think they would hold up well with a dedicated .22lr upper.
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Posted: 2/3/2012 2:47:53 PM
I figure why not? The m&p15-22 is ploymer, so that should do well.
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Posted: 2/3/2012 7:05:36 PM
Friend built a PC with a Chiappa, runs great.
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Posted: 2/3/2012 7:40:27 PM
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I would not buy one...For my Sons AR22 CMMG upper we bought a Aero Precision lower for 90.00 at the local show..A parts kit for 70.00 and you can find a cheap stock here on the EE or elsewhere on line...So for the price of the plastic crap you can have a real lower for a little less and even if it costs you a little more it is well worth the effort to avoid the plastic foreign crap...Just my thought and to each his own however....Heck I can buy a complete RR lower with stock here at the store for a little more than a Plum Crazy one costs........Thanks
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Posted: 2/3/2012 7:50:24 PM
The Plum crazy lowers use a different hammer with 22 rimfire. From what I read you need to get rimfire hammer from P/C as center fire hammer is to wide to work with CMMG bolt.
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Posted: 2/3/2012 11:36:47 PM
It will actually just squeeze into a CMMG conversion. Needs to be swapped out or modified to use with 9mm, for sure, though.
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A PC lower is perfectly adequate for this particular application and, since you get a completely assembled lower, it represents a significant cost savings over a $90 Aero Precision receiver, $70 LPK, and $40 stock kit. This is the route I took for my light weight .22LR build, and I'm very satisfied with it. If you're thinking of using the receiver for a centerfire upper, I'd be skeptical as well, until a sufficient body of evidence can show the value of a plastic lower in such a role.

Also, someone suggested that the PC lower is "plastic foreign crap." That's just stupid. They're made in Arizona; and, for a dedicated rimfire plinker, they're perfect.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 7:36:17 AM
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I just put together a CMMG 22 on a Plumcrazy lower for a co-worker. a couple of things struck me. First is weight the CMMG upper and PC lower is much lighter than my Tac Sol on a forged lower. This I suppose can go both ways if your are using it as a trainer I guess you would want the weights the same as a duty rifle. But for a rifle to carry lighter seems better. The trigger being polymer has an odd feel to it, with kind of mushy resistance , it runs fine under the CMMG upper butt takes some getting used to. (For giggles I swapped in a DPMS FCG that I had sitting on the bench and ran a mag through it on the lawn and it worked great.) Honestly the PC lower seems like a great route to go for anything rimfire or pistol cal (trigger swap would be have to for me). I have no experience with them running 223 but would give it a shot, but that is where I would stop. I would NOT put my 50 beo on it.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 8:14:21 AM
No.

For about the same amount of money you can get a forger lower from PSA.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 10:10:39 AM
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No.

For about the same amount of money you can get a forger lower from PSA.


Not to be augmentative, but just looked over the PSA sight I am not sure how you would build a complete lower for the $129 for a complete lower with stock based on the prices on their sight. Please feel free educate me because I need a lower to put under the 300 Blackout I am building and as I said in my earlier post, while I wouldn't hesitate to use a PC lower on a 22lr or a pistol caliber , would even give it a run on 223 but that is where my comfort level ends with PC.
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Originally Posted By nhgunnut:
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
No.

For about the same amount of money you can get a forger lower from PSA.


Not to be augmentative, but just looked over the PSA sight I am not sure how you would build a complete lower for the $129 for a complete lower with stock based on the prices on their sight. Please feel free educate me because I need a lower to put under the 300 Blackout I am building and as I said in my earlier post, while I wouldn't hesitate to use a PC lower on a 22lr or a pistol caliber , would even give it a run on 223 but that is where my comfort level ends with PC.


They have sales all the time––$50 lowers. You can get complete LPKs with buffer and stock assemblys for $100Link . So, $150 gets you a complete forged lower. IF you dont want to wait for a sale, AIM surplus has SAA forged lowers starting at $60. Link

So yeah, like I said, for $20 to $30 more you can get a forged lower with a steel (not plastic) LPK.

Also, pistol caliber ARs are EXTREMELY tough on lowers. I would put a PC lower on a .223 long before I would ever put one on a 9, 40, or 45. YMMV.

My advice is not just here-say. I have seen in person a PC lower break. They are plastic trash, and have no place in the AR world. If they could make them like HK does their pistols (metal with infused polymer over-mold) then I might actually give them a try.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 10:20:41 AM
I have about 300 rounds through my plum crazy lower with r guns upper. The only issue I've had was the buffer tube needed to be screwed in 1 more turn to keep the detent, spring and buffer from popping out. Other than that its ok.
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Posted: 2/5/2012 8:15:39 AM
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
Originally Posted By nhgunnut:
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
No.

For about the same amount of money you can get a forger lower from PSA.


Not to be augmentative, but just looked over the PSA sight I am not sure how you would build a complete lower for the $129 for a complete lower with stock based on the prices on their sight. Please feel free educate me because I need a lower to put under the 300 Blackout I am building and as I said in my earlier post, while I wouldn't hesitate to use a PC lower on a 22lr or a pistol caliber , would even give it a run on 223 but that is where my comfort level ends with PC.


They have sales all the time––$50 lowers. You can get complete LPKs with buffer and stock assemblys for $100Link . So, $150 gets you a complete forged lower. IF you dont want to wait for a sale, AIM surplus has SAA forged lowers starting at $60. Link
Thanks for the links
So yeah, like I said, for $20 to $30 more you can get a forged lower with a steel (not plastic) LPK.

Also, pistol caliber ARs are EXTREMELY tough on lowers. I would put a PC lower on a .223 long before I would ever put one on a 9, 40, or 45. YMMV.

My advice is not just here-say. I have seen in person a PC lower break. They are plastic trash, and have no place in the AR world. If they could make them like HK does their pistols (metal with infused polymer over-mold) then I might actually give them a try.


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Posted: 2/5/2012 8:09:49 PM
I think even the internals are plastic in them are they not? What a joke..Just spend a little more and get a real AR lower.....If your worried about weight get on a weight machine and start working out immediatley
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Posted: 2/6/2012 5:14:27 PM
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
No.

For about the same amount of money you can get a forger lower from PSA.


Obviously you guys aren't getting the point. I can get an entirely assembled lower for $100 and a .22 upper for 300 hmm 400 for a .22lr isn't bad to me. If I have to swap the FCG thats gonna set me back what 35 smackers. I could careless what everyone's opionion is on the plastic gun mantra I killed that in the original post. I just wanted to know if it ran fine or not. One person gave me a good thing to look at a new trigger and hammer. The pins and springs are all metal in the thing the only thing different is the trigger and the lower itself is a high tolerance polymer. If it shoots .22lr all day I don't really care if its metal or plastic. Heck look at all the plastic handguns everyone loves now.

For a full on AR I wouldn't use this has I think it would breakdown over time a lot quicker but. Why would I spend 90 for a lower 70 for a lower partts kit, another 35 for a buffer tube and 50+ for a stock when I can get it all for $100??? Basic economics come into play there its going to be a .22lr gun for life...
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Posted: 2/6/2012 5:58:01 PM
The real question is why bother? As inexpensive as a stripped lower is, why bother with a know POS?
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Posted: 2/6/2012 8:16:19 PM
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The Plum Crazy is a great lower to build a 22rf up on. These guys that say that the plastic internals are crap.....don't realize that an FNH PS 90 has a plastic hammer and trigger, and they work great.

If you can get the whole thing for a 100 bucks....buy it and don't look back. I bought one for a lite weight 22RF build....it had the wider hammer, which I just ground down the sides so it would clear and have been running it ever since. I actually put a JP red hammer spring in and it still is a very reliable firearm. I also swapped out the butt with a Magpul CTR, took out the the buffer (no need for a buffer on a Nordic 22rf upper) and I have a sub 5 pound rifle.

Tim

PS...before you swap out the hammer and trigger....try it, you'll note that it has a very smooth trigger out of the box.....and they will last....no problem.
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Posted: 2/6/2012 10:03:46 PM
Originally Posted By Timnordic:
The Plum Crazy is a great lower to build a 22rf up on. These guys that say that the plastic internals are crap.....don't realize that an FNH PS 90 has a plastic hammer and trigger, and they work great.


The PCF and LW15 lowers will NOT FUNCTION when used with a 22 kit and the stock plastic hammer/hammer spring.

The plastic hammer and its spring must be changed out with a regular hammer and hammer spring (which requires the regular trigger and disconnector, etc), or a modified plastic hammer and much weaker hammer spring, in order to function properly with a 22 kit.
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Posted: 2/7/2012 4:43:41 AM
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Originally Posted By Timnordic:
The Plum Crazy is a great lower to build a 22rf up on. These guys that say that the plastic internals are crap.....don't realize that an FNH PS 90 has a plastic hammer and trigger, and they work great.


The PCF and LW15 lowers will NOT FUNCTION when used with a 22 kit and the stock plastic hammer/hammer spring.

The plastic hammer and its spring must be changed out with a regular hammer and hammer spring (which requires the regular trigger and disconnector, etc), or a modified plastic hammer and much weaker hammer spring, in order to function properly with a 22 kit.


Thats unfortunate that you've found that.....I've found the opposite to be true. The plastic hammer worked just fine.....once I've narrowed it up to clear the bolt.

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Posted: 2/7/2012 7:35:15 AM
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A PC lower is perfectly adequate for this particular application and, since you get a completely assembled lower, it represents a significant cost savings over a $90 Aero Precision receiver, $70 LPK, and $40 stock kit. This is the route I took for my light weight .22LR build, and I'm very satisfied with it. If you're thinking of using the receiver for a centerfire upper, I'd be skeptical as well, until a sufficient body of evidence can show the value of a plastic lower in such a role.

Also, someone suggested that the PC lower is "plastic foreign crap." That's just stupid. They're made in Arizona; and, for a dedicated rimfire plinker, they're perfect.


Plastic crap, just like everything Magpul makes

If Magpul made it, it'd be worshipped.

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Posted: 2/7/2012 7:42:55 AM
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
Originally Posted By nhgunnut:
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
No.

For about the same amount of money you can get a forger lower from PSA.


Not to be augmentative, but just looked over the PSA sight I am not sure how you would build a complete lower for the $129 for a complete lower with stock based on the prices on their sight. Please feel free educate me because I need a lower to put under the 300 Blackout I am building and as I said in my earlier post, while I wouldn't hesitate to use a PC lower on a 22lr or a pistol caliber , would even give it a run on 223 but that is where my comfort level ends with PC.


They have sales all the time––$50 lowers. You can get complete LPKs with buffer and stock assemblys for $100Link . So, $150 gets you a complete forged lower. IF you dont want to wait for a sale, AIM surplus has SAA forged lowers starting at $60. Link

So yeah, like I said, for $20 to $30 more you can get a forged lower with a steel (not plastic) LPK.

Also, pistol caliber ARs are EXTREMELY tough on lowers. I would put a PC lower on a .223 long before I would ever put one on a 9, 40, or 45. YMMV.

My advice is not just here-say. I have seen in person a PC lower break. They are plastic trash, and have no place in the AR world. If they could make them like HK does their pistols (metal with infused polymer over-mold) then I might actually give them a try.


LOL. Too funny. Don't buy them, more for me. Lifetime warranty, many satisfied users. To each their own. I have dozens of lower. I like variety, I like new advances. If it breaks, big deal. They will replace it or return my money. I bought two for $258 TMD, so I am not gonna go broke over two lowers.

I wouldn't stake my life on it, but I fail to see the harm in a PC lower for a fun project.

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Posted: 2/7/2012 11:51:02 AM
Originally Posted By captainseaweed:
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
Originally Posted By nhgunnut:
Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:
No.

For about the same amount of money you can get a forger lower from PSA.


Not to be augmentative, but just looked over the PSA sight I am not sure how you would build a complete lower for the $129 for a complete lower with stock based on the prices on their sight. Please feel free educate me because I need a lower to put under the 300 Blackout I am building and as I said in my earlier post, while I wouldn't hesitate to use a PC lower on a 22lr or a pistol caliber , would even give it a run on 223 but that is where my comfort level ends with PC.


They have sales all the time––$50 lowers. You can get complete LPKs with buffer and stock assemblys for $100Link . So, $150 gets you a complete forged lower. IF you dont want to wait for a sale, AIM surplus has SAA forged lowers starting at $60. Link

So yeah, like I said, for $20 to $30 more you can get a forged lower with a steel (not plastic) LPK.

Also, pistol caliber ARs are EXTREMELY tough on lowers. I would put a PC lower on a .223 long before I would ever put one on a 9, 40, or 45. YMMV.

My advice is not just here-say. I have seen in person a PC lower break. They are plastic trash, and have no place in the AR world. If they could make them like HK does their pistols (metal with infused polymer over-mold) then I might actually give them a try.


LOL. Too funny. Don't buy them, more for me. Lifetime warranty, many satisfied users. To each their own. I have dozens of lower. I like variety, I like new advances. If it breaks, big deal. They will replace it or return my money. I bought two for $258 TMD, so I am not gonna go broke over two lowers.

I wouldn't stake my life on it, but I fail to see the harm in a PC lower for a fun project.

Hearsay . . .



Exactly and thank you. I hate all the thread knockers on this board sometimes I really do. I see no point in it. Even with this guys logic that you quoted as well. I am still out another 50+ that and FFL fees and shipping are gonna make it 75+ A complete lower for 100 and I am done. Well I know what I am going to do. besides I have so many internal parts to swap out if I need to I don't need to go to the store to get a new hammer and or trigger.

Sometimes I wish the post nazi's would just hold their comments. This is going to be used mainly by a 10 year old as well so the lighter the better for him. I will play with it more when he isn't shooting...
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Posted: 2/7/2012 1:24:07 PM
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Thats unfortunate that you've found that.....I've found the opposite to be true. The plastic hammer worked just fine.....once I've narrowed it up to clear the bolt.


Got a pic of your hammer and spring?

The plastic hammer fits my CMMG and Ciener conversion uppers - just won't allow them to cycle fully, so it's a single shot, with a nice up-in-the-charging-handle jam on every attempted extraction.

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