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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:35:32 PM
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By SpecOps-13:
I'd build a BB Gun if it looked like a real AR-15. That Ammo is still available and Very Cheap.......  Air rifle upper for AR15: Pilk Guns Have you checked that link lately? They are now in full production with the Crosman name on it. $600.00 from PyramydAir.com I think I'll pass...for now. |
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Posted: 3/17/2012 6:12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By hoppinglark:
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By SpecOps-13:
I'd build a BB Gun if it looked like a real AR-15. That Ammo is still available and Very Cheap....... Air rifle upper for AR15: Pilk Guns Have you checked that link lately? They are now in full production with the Crosman name on it. $600.00 from PyramydAir.com I think I'll pass...for now. Now that we're back into panic buying season with the election coming up. These uppers are back in my spotlight. We're likely in for more ammo cost increases in the future. That in itself may make that link well visited...
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Posted: 3/21/2012 4:19:18 PM
[Last Edit: 3/21/2012 4:20:38 PM by Shootum45acp]
I picked up two Spikes barrels from a member here and now I'm trying to find collars for them, so I can have two dedicated uppers. Not having any luck, I've been searching for the last week. I've though about turning the nipple down to fit the CMMG collar but I'd rather find colars that fit. Any suggestions or leads on collars would be appreciated.
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Posted: 3/21/2012 11:58:41 PM
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Call Spike's. They still have the collars - just got mine in two days ago. They are busy - might try emailing them also.
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/contact_us.html Spikes Tactical LLC 2593 Clark Street #103 Apopka, FL 32703 USA Phone: 407.928.2666 Fax: 866.283.2215 Sales/Billing Email: sales@spikestactical.com  |
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:01:50 AM
Model 1 sales uses same size collar as Spikes.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:43:16 PM
Originally Posted By MikeS1970:
Call Spike's. They still have the collars - just got mine in two days ago. They are busy - might try emailing them also. http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/contact_us.html Spikes Tactical LLC 2593 Clark Street #103 Apopka, FL 32703 USA Phone: 407.928.2666 Fax: 866.283.2215 Sales/Billing Email: sales@spikestactical.com http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/ewasashinki/Spikescollarinvoice0001.jpg I called Spikes on this (ST2C180) on 3/6/12 and was told they no longer have them. I also talked with tech support twice and they were no help at all. Just got off the phone with Sharron at Spikes and she says yes they have the ST2C180 and takes my order - whats up with that. Thanks for posting the invoice I would have not called them back if I hadn't seen it. |
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Posted: 3/23/2012 12:34:24 AM
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Glad you tried again. Yep - Sharron was my contact person too. She's in sales and seems to know more about what they have available than the tech people.
Top: Spike's with collar Next: Spike's chamber adapter Next: Kuehl modified Ciener kit Bottom: CMMG dedicated .22 charging handle  
Left: Kuehl modified Ciener. Right; Spike's. The Spike's collar is tight on the barrel I bought here on the exchange (I think it's that same seller as the others bought from). Tight is good when it comes to collars - it is a press fit and can be removed without tools - just pulled it out - carefully - by hand. The Kuehl collar is a easy slide fit but it's been through several thousand rounds.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 7:51:41 PM
Just a note to anyone with questions about Hammer / Trigger Combos or Trigger Packs that will work with AR-22's.
See page 11 of this thread, About half way down the page is my post # 2390. It's a list we started 2 years ago. Anyone who sees a need to update the list, Please PM me with details so The list can be kept up to date.. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_15/441890_22_Conversions___Dedicated_22_s__22_Builds___Range_Reports__Ammo__Tips__Tricks__Insight_and_More_.html&page=11 Thank You, Dave / SpecOps-13 in Florida |
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Posted: 6/1/2012 6:25:06 PM
I used a Wilson Combat Trigger Pack with my A2 CMMG and a Slide Fire Stock. The trigger pack is one from when they first came out. I believe it's 3 lb trigger pull. CCI Mini Mags were my choice of ammo. Man, was it a blast. This trigger pack has doubled with a Tactical Solutions LW 22 Upper and standard ammo but this set up today really worked out well. My upper is really pretty heavy too.
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Posted: 7/3/2012 9:55:30 AM
TACCOM,,,,, Great New Ideas From Tim.....
This is my first look at any of TACCOM's Products. I'm not up to date on the latest descriptive words, but Totally Cool, Awesome and Sick (That Word I've never used much before) came to mind as I opened the package and got a view of what was sent. The barrel is marked 17". That's a first for me...I envision an Ultra Light Build coming out of this... A 22 Carbine you could carry about as easily as the Ruger LCP. Unbelievable Tim... I'm impressed,,,, Big Time... Dave South I couldn't decide which picture to post, I liked the camo and my Wife liked the wood background so here's both. Carbon Fiber Fore-end, Super Light Barrel and Carbon Fiber Butt Stock...
BTW, this barrel doesn't need an alignment pin. The bolt collar takes care of that... No over or under torque required... 
Made my initial range trip last night. Showed the Carbine to the Range Master, Brother Ed. His first comment was total amazement at how light the weight was. Ed doesn't get very excited over anything. He's seen it all. This one held his attention for more than the normal length of time. I'd have had him shoot it but he didn't have any back up to take care of the desk. I weighed the TACCOM Carbine as built with a cheapo NC Star, 6x Scope at 3-3/4 pounds.
Well, I built this using a lower I'd had decommissioned and stuffed in the back of one safe. It's an Old Olympic. I tried the new CMMG BHOA Magazine first. I thought it would fit fine as I've used them in a number of my lowers. Wrong answer. It got stuck so bad when I pushed it in I had to literally beat it out. I had several of BDM's X-Form Mags along and they fit very good. The first few rounds gave a little grief as far as feeding but I dropped down to 5 rounds per magazine for a time and everything went well. After 50 or so rounds I went back to full magazines and everything worked great except the expected,,,, Federal Bulk.. Over 200 rounds and 11 just wouldn't go bang... I busted one so many times it looked like the edge of a commercial pie crust. As I had expected, the accuracy was mediocre at best. I used this ammo just to get some rounds through the barrel. Even so, The TACCOM had absolutely no problem staying well within the 3" Shoot-N-See Target Centers. Once the barrel is seasoned with several hundred more rounds I'll do some good ammo. Should be no problem cutting the group size by more than half. The picture shows one 5 shot group at 25 yards that measures approximately 1" CTC. I consider this pretty good given the inconsistency of the Federal and the fact that the barrel was new and "Unseasoned". Use moderation when cleaning the barrel. as with any good grade barrel. It is capable of many, many thousands of rounds and I believe above average accuracy once it's broken in properly. NOTE: If you're going to shoot with a Slide Fire Stock or a Full Auto Lower. Use a good grade ammo. Winchester bulk at the very least. Federal Bulk scares me with it's inconsistency. I'd hate to have a bullet dribble into the barrel and several more run into it before I could get off the trigger. My impression, this is one of the few firearms I've ever fired that was a complete BLAST to shoot. I'm getting older and weaker, the super light weight made for standing, off hand shooting that was so easy and so much fun. I'm Totally Hooked. Tim, You have an Awesome start on a product line... The Butt Stock and the Fore-End are very comfortable to use and the length of the Butt Stock allows the Scope to be mounted more forward for a better balance than is normally achievable... Dave in Florida... TACCOM's Site for those who've asked: http://www.taccom3g.com/ 
TACCOM, Match Ammo Update:
I decided to continue this thread and update the title. Some of you have it marked awaiting a Match Ammo Update... My Range was quiet while I was shooting Winchester 555 but the groups and the reliability were about the same as with Federal Bulk, SAD... 1" 5 shot groups was about as good as it got. I'm not going to bother posting quarter sized groups now. As soon as I started getting ready to shoot Match Ammo, All "L" broke loose in the 5 lanes beside me. I don't know if it was all young ons or what. I get into a mode when I get serious and didn't even look. I shot a total of 10 centers for accuracy after I had played with the bulk ammo. Of which 4 were with the Winchester 555. I picked the best of 2 groups each for Eley, CCI and Wolf. The 3 best ammo choices I have at the present.... This TACCOM Build amazed the "L" out of me. It's a Tack Driver off the bench and it's only got about 500 rounds through the barrel. I'm really Psyched Up about it..... Note, I switched to white center pasters from the orange, mid stream. White was easier to see in the lighting conditions tonight. And, I didn't re-zero the scope for the ammo, I left it where it was for the Winchester 555. Dave S 
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Posted: 8/4/2012 10:05:52 PM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 10:11:42 PM by Justin_Sain]
Does it look like the end user would be able to take those apart to shorten them up a little? I'm curious if they're pinned together or epoxied. I'm really interested in this set up, but at this point in life I don't wanna buy stuff unless it's exactly what I want (or at least capable of being turned into what I want)
For me personally, I'd want the length of pull about 2" shorter and the bbl 16" measured from the breech face to the muzzle. Is that 17" measured from the front of the receiver or from the breech? It looks a little long to me for some reason. Man o man would I like to have that set-up in a shorter length though. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 9:12:31 PM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 9:13:34 PM by stargateops]
Originally Posted By Justin_Sain:
Does it look like the end user would be able to take those apart to shorten them up a little? I'm curious if they're pinned together or epoxied. I'm really interested in this set up, but at this point in life I don't wanna buy stuff unless it's exactly what I want (or at least capable of being turned into what I want) For me personally, I'd want the length of pull about 2" shorter and the bbl 16" measured from the breech face to the muzzle. Is that 17" measured from the front of the receiver or from the breech? It looks a little long to me for some reason. Man o man would I like to have that set-up in a shorter length though. Best to go here and PM or E Mail Tim of TACCOM Directly for a faster more reliable answer. He's the man who makes them. http://www.ar15.com/member/member.html?id=298641 |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 9:43:34 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 2:53:07 PM by Justin_Sain]
Thanks, but I emailed him a week or so ago, I figured someone here might know. No rush. I'll find out when I find out, but I would like to know. Just picturing a shorter version...shew, would be sweet.
edited to add I was contacted via pm. I didn't want to leave this looking like it was open ended. I'm 90% sure I'm gonna be placing an order. When it looks as good as it shoots.... you're onto something good in my book. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:11:33 PM
I've been thinking of picking up a CMMG bolt conversion kit for the M&P, then selling off my SIG 522 .22lr. This would free up funds for a new project.
A lot of ppl here seem to prefer a dedicated upper, but for that cost I might as well just keep the SIG. How reliable and accurate is the CMMG kit? Will I be disappointed? I mainly just use my SIG as a plinker and target shooting. It's been super reliable and very accurate but it might be time to let it go... |
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Well being out here in the bush the past 4 months with internet access and a credit card has left me with an extra PSA stripped upper and a completed Spikes lower... And since I am moving to Cali in November and my 5.56 guns can't tag along... its rimfire time again.
I had originally bought one of the first Chiappa M4 uppers and did an extensive review on it it a few years back, I'm sure it is lost in the archives but I know one thing... I don't want another. I have a sig 522 and since my girlfriend has gotten a little too attached to it... i need to build. At this point... its down to CMMG or Spikes.. I love Spikes, have 3 of their lowers, but I don't want a 16" barrel. I want a 18 or 20", like CMMG carries. Is there any mixing and matching or am I pretty much committing myself to a manufactor with my barrel choice? |
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Posted: 8/21/2012 9:48:32 PM
[Last Edit: 8/21/2012 9:57:04 PM by MikeS1970]
Spike's mid-length barrel from the EE, Eotech, Geissele SSA trigger.
Need to use a scope - I think this upper is capable of much better groups. 25 round group shot at 50 yards Sunday with CMP Aguila ammo (aiming point is the little notch on the black rectangle):  
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Posted: 8/22/2012 8:42:56 AM
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mfdif: Using a CMMG Conversion will be reliable. If you go to page 4 of this thread you can read about the expected accuracy in a standard AR-15 Barrel. That's in one of my posts there.
FreezinSig: You need to make a choice between Spike's and CMMG. There will be some machining required to mix and match. CMMG has a much larger selections of barrels in the length you're looking for. MikeS1970: All I can say is: You've made a beautiful set of twin uppers... Awesome.... Dave S |
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Posted: 9/15/2012 9:17:04 AM
Just got back from testing TACCOM's Revised Firing Pin. Used ammo that normally gives miss fires, Federal WallyWorld and Winchester 555's.
Ran Great. I took pictures of several cases to show here. I didn't have to use any of the shims with my Stainless Steel CMMG Bolt, the length measured perfect to the bolt face. I do suggest you measure and use shims as necessary. Because it fit this one bolt doesn't mean it will work with every one. Besides the check has instructions and takes seconds to accomplish... This TACCOM3G Firing Pin insures good solid primer hits....  |
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Posted: 9/15/2012 9:25:25 AM
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The parts CMMG sent are for the Absolute Most Radical / Sick / Awesome AR-22 design I've seen to date. I showed this in another thread but I'll post it again here to preserve it for the long term. See below.
This all starts with CMMG sending individual parts which normally wouldn't be a problem. CMMG didn't send a handguard, not a big deal either. I didn't have a handguard readily available and wanted some time to think about the length I wanted. Initially I set the rifle up without one, using just a delta pack barrel nut to get some preliminary shooting results. Those results are listed farther down in this Post. No Problem so far. I didn't worry about gas tube alignment, just made it as hand tight as I could with a strap wrench. The rifle did quite well so I started looking at handguard options. Ron Williams told me he had some UTG / Leapers in 13", Made in the USA. Amazingly.. I drove down to his shop and liked the rail other than the turtle shell rail covers that come with it. They work fine on the bottom rail but suck on the side and top rails I've got boxes of them in one closet. I really didn't think about the rail mounting system much, it looked pretty cool even though it doesn't have a provision for an end cap. I really like the clean look of end caps. The rail is a UTG / Leapers Pro, 13", Model 4/15, MTU006 I generally Love to build my AR's. However, several months ago my wife and I decided to organize the garage. Well everyone knows what happens then. Although I have way more room and everything's pretty and well organized it's a matter of where did it get organized too? I set the digital drill press, lathe and table jig saw up on my new bench. No more room. Figured I'd use the Oak Vise on the end of the bench for a while so I didn't set up my Big Vise or the bench grinder. Also figured I could use a drill and wheel for grinding. Wrong Answers....
Friday, I started out trying my already modified clamshell on the ambidextrous upper receiver. NOT,,,,, to accomplish the ambidextrous capability, the receiver don't fit. Plan B, heavy leather around the barrel and tighten the barrel nut in the Oak Vise. Well the barrel turned in the vise no matter how hard I tried to clamp down. Had my wife hold the barrel at one end with a rubber mat and a rag and I held the receiver by hand to gain more traction. I'd noticed that this handguard has to have the gas tube aligned for the rail to mount straight. We got it within about 2 minutes of being aligned but no matter how hard we tried, that was all she wrote. I knew I had to find the big vise and set it up but we were both worn out at that point from the struggle. Went back at it Saturday. Found the vise and C-Clamped it temporarily to a spare end table. Used the piece of leather and got the barrel nut aligned quite easily. Went back in the house to finish installing the rail retention / alignment screws. Oops, the screw heads are too wide to go past the sides of this receiver. Back to the garage, dig the bench grinder out and I temporarily C-Clamp mounted it to a wooden stool. Put the screws in my battery powered drill and turned the sides of the heads down equally. Used a BC Bluing Pen to refinish and finally done. I had an ad I wanted to put up on the board at the range so I figured I'd put the upper on an open lower Sunday. I also figured I could try to come up with enough rail covers for the monster rail too. Did I mention we reorganized the gun room and all my parts too? I finished up Sunday night, figuring I could shoot Monday Night. The range is always open on Holidays. Guess what I was told when I called the Range Master (Brother Ed) Monday Morning... They decided to close on Holidays . Crap..... Can't decide if I like the look or want to go with another color or lower set up...? I know I'll Love the basic rifle for it's intended purpose which is from the bench, match shooting.. At 9-3/4 lbs I won't be carrying it for long. Should be Sniper Capable at 22 LR Ranges. With it's Match Chamber, a little ammo finicky but 1/4" ish groups @ 25 yards with bulk ammo and this still new barrel have impressed me. Dave S Target shown was shot @ 50 yards at the CMMG Factory 
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Posted: 12/5/2012 10:29:13 AM
[Last Edit: 12/5/2012 10:43:29 AM by stagepaint]
I see this thread is on the very last page, so I'll bump it with plans for my first dedicated .22 LR upper.
I just got my SBR stamp back, so I will be using that lower (Spike's) with a Geiselle SSA-E. For the upper I'm using a CMMG reciever with an aluminum sleeved Taccom 4" barrel inside a JP/Vtac handguard. Also plan on getting the CMMG India bolt carrier group and replacing the extractor and firing pin with the Taccom ones I ordered with the barrel. (Got the whole reliability kit) Using a Matech rear and KAC front sight until I get ahold of a Vortex SPARC. I also picked up 3 Black Dog 25 round mags. Hopefully everything works together! I guess I will find out later this month when I get the BCG. Can't wait!! |
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Posted: 12/9/2012 3:06:55 PM
My Ceiner kit works now. Thanks to you guys and CMMG LOL.
This thread has been my saving grace in getting my JAC conversion to work. I have had it since the late 80’s JAC only had excuses and blame for how it was somehow my fault or my guns fault or any fault of the over 30 AR’s I tried it in. BUT IT WAS NEVER JAC A.. fault. My son now actually wants to really learn to run an AR platform, so I need a conversion. I took an old PWA 10” barrel with a 6” xm style flash suppressor a stripped palmetto state armory upper and this kit and made him a dedicated upper that wouldn’t work. I tried everything in this thread plus I tried everything the Bazooka Brothers (http://bazookabrothers.com/tech_assistance.htm AR15/M16.22 CONVERSION MODIFICATIONs) said before I got frustrated and bought a CMMG.. The CMMG works awesome out of the box on the 10 inch barrel so long as I use Black Dog Machines Magazines. Then I got really hard headed and decided to reverse engineer the JAC Kit using the CMMG as an exemplar. In my estimation I have about 25 hours into this JAC kit but it runs. It won’t take you this long. But here are some things that are not in other places in this thread Now remember I had polished and buffed and filed my keester off, replaced the firing pin, as well as the extractor both from Black Dog as well as the Lakeside recoil spring set that Black Dog sells, then I had reshaped the Black Dog extractor as well BEFORE I started the whole let me compare the two different kits process. I had the JAC kit working so that it would feed and extract by hand but it would fail to go all the way into battery at least 1 in 10 times and get a light strike, it also had nasty stove pipes lots of Ceiner Jams that wedge a brass between the bolt and the charging handle. I couldn’t run 10 rounds at a time normally like normally it was 3 shots before it would jam in some way. I felt like I had mattie mattel the jammomatic. The first big difference mechanically (besides quality and quality control and better materials) in how the kits look is the Relief cut on the rail by the ejection port opposite the ejector. I took a really big drink of my Capt’n he seems to help a lot at times like this, put the rails in a vice between a couple blocks and grabbed my most aggressive file and 20 minutes later I had the relief cut done. ( this is visible next to the tooth brush in the picture) This is not for the faint hearted or inexperienced with a file. Go and shoot it. NO MORE CEINER JAMS no more stove pipes. Still won’t go into battery like 3 out of 10 times still can’t shoot a full mag. I figured out the ejectors actions looked different as the kits both go into battery. So I tried to reshape the Black Dog extractor to match the CMMG got it pretty close. Go and shoot it, runs most of the time. Still fails to go into battery about twice in a magazine. Talk with the Capt’n some more.. (I am really getting to like that Zero) Decide to scalp the Extractor from my new CMMG kit and try it. Gun runs better still doesn’t go into battery 2 or 3 times in 3 Magazines. I shot about 4,000 rounds into the berm while I went through this entire process over the last month. I know it would have been cheaper to just buy another CMMG but CEIner got my money and I was going to make this POS work. SO since I have the CMMG apart (and more Capt’n) I thought well let’s try their recoil spring.. go and shoot it, OMG bad choice. It must be lighter than the Lakeside one. SO now I know I need a stronger recoil spring…I then remembered that I had tried shortening one of the Lakeside recoil springs to no avail earlier in this process and that I had the long non working piece left from that. I found that these springs had closed loop ends and would not coil into each other if I added an extra piece at the base of the recoil spring guide before I put the standard length one on top of it. Well I started with about a 2 inch additional piece I think it is about an inch now as I was smart enough to remember a pair of side cutters when I went to the local shooting hole this morning. I just kept cutting 3 coils at a time till it WORKED then I shot 120 rounds with no malfunctions using Black Dog Magazines. Mondays mission call CMMG order a replacement Extractor for my new kit.( Cuz I ain’t taking the cmmg one out now that it works in the JAC kit) order a complete CMMG 22 upper to go with the CMMG kit I now have. I just ordered 2 LW 15 composite lowers, so in a few weeks I will have 2 complete 15 22s that work and no longer are kits. Off to see the Capt’n …. |
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Posted: 2/24/2013 3:44:10 PM
Okay, after reading this entire thread, I am just as confused as when I started.
If you wanted to buy a drop in COMPLETE Upper that's as light as possible which one would be the best option? Also, it should be compatible with the best magazines available, which from reading this thread appear to be the Black Dog mags.. Yes I am confused and need help, I have grandkid's who need to be taken out and taught safe gun handling and how to have fun hitting the target. Okay so the wife and I plan on having fun dates shooting too! |
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Posted: 2/24/2013 7:20:13 PM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2013 7:24:07 PM by VASCAR2]
The lightest on the Market would be a TACCOM Barrel with carbon fiber sleeve, next would be a CMMG light weight barreled dedicated upper, Tactitcal Solutions LT upper or a Chiappa which uses a polymer upper. Personally I'd shy away from the Chiappa, decent design, cheaper component material and made in Italy. All of these use Black Dog Machine mags which follow the Atchisson pattern.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:09:38 AM
Thank you for the quick response. It is most helpful.
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Bounce for Renewed Viewing of those of you who are new to 22's.
This thread and others are listed in the top folders of the front page of the index of threads under "Important". When ARFCOM staff decided to put all of these threads into folders rather than simply be stickied at the top of the indexes, I've seen the reads on this one go from about 1,000 a month to a mere trickle, Everyone skips over the folders and misses out on a lot of really educational material. Most of the other threads in the " Important Folders" have done the same and there's a lot of good information in them. Dave / SpecOps-13 in Florida |
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