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Posted: 4/10/2017 7:25:24 PM EDT
Hey guys. Been lurking here for a little bit. Just getting into AR's. I'm coming from the PCP air rifle scene. Have multiple PCP rifles in the AR style. Finally decided to step up. I wanted to build not buy so I could learn how everything functions so building from a kit I bought local. Del-Ton flat top/M4 16" heavy, 1x9, carbine gas system complete upper, Spikes stripped lower, Del-Ton LPK, all Magpul furniture, Magpul MBUS rear sight, M-LOK hand stop, couple of PMAGs and a few hundred rounds of ammo to get started. Strike J-COMP V2 brake, red dot from Ozark Armaments are ordered. Using a single point sling I already had.
My intent is a simple, straightforward AR for home defense. Looking forward to the build. Will post some pics. Please tell me if I'm about to foul something up on the build!! |
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I think it will look good with the color choice. In for pics of finished project. Oh and welcome aboard.
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That looks like a very good no-frills M4, a good starting point if you're into the more modern side of the black rifle. Del-Ton makes a solid product for the price. That color fill looks kind of cool!
We'll all be happy to provide guidance as you progress with building your rifle. Good luck and happy building! |
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That looks like a very good no-frills M4, a good starting point if you're into the more modern side of the black rifle. Del-Ton makes a solid product for the price. That color fill looks kind of cool! We'll all be happy to provide guidance as you progress with building your rifle. Good luck and happy building! View Quote |
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Welcome!!
Your build looks really good! I use play mats for all kinds of stuff, but I've never thought to put them on my work bench for lighter duty work. I'm going to shamelessly steal that! |
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Welcome!! Your build looks really good! I use play mats for all kinds of stuff, but I've never thought to put them on my work bench for lighter duty work. I'm going to shamelessly steal that! View Quote Link at HF... Anti-Fatigue mats I started with just a few and added from there. Just about have the whole woodworking/assembly side of my shop covered now. |
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Thanks! Those are the interlocking floor mats from Harbor Freight. Stupid cheap. Great for assembly work to protect whatever is being assembled. I have 2/3 of my home shop floor covered with them. Way nicer to stand/work on than concrete and edge tools don't get totally jacked when I drop them. Link at HF... Anti-Fatigue mats I started with just a few and added from there. Just about have the whole woodworking/assembly side of my shop covered now. https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5636/24115502945_23283205d6_c.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5794/24114895315_30a579dd35_c.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5794/24032294011_4aa1c8722b_c.jpg View Quote |
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Looking good, OP! My first is a Spike's at the core, and looked almost exactly like yours when I got it, except mine is a midlength instead of carbine, and I have the Punisher lower Careful, though, once you build one, you won't be able to stop building more!
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Looking good, OP! My first is a Spike's at the core, and looked almost exactly like yours when I got it, except mine is a midlength instead of carbine, and I have the Punisher lower Careful, though, once you build one, you won't be able to stop building more! View Quote |
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For home defense, swap the comp for a bird cage.
I wouldn't ever want to shoot a comp indoors, 5.56 is bad enough as it is. |
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For home defense, swap the comp for a bird cage. I wouldn't ever want to shoot a comp indoors, 5.56 is bad enough as it is. View Quote Also, you need a sling in addition to a light. Consider buying this one: https://www.blueforcegear.com/vickers-sling |
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This. Also u need a light. View Quote |
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I see you have an obsession with attention to detail. Well done on your rifle, and your garage is nice too.
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You do need a light for sure. I use a magpul moe Scout Mount on my rifle with moe handguards. View Quote Elzetta light mount |
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I was thinking about the Elzetta mount. I like the idea of the light being under and in line with the barrel. Thoughts on this one? Elzetta light mount https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81FRTO2zI4L._SL1500_.jpg View Quote |
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Wait until you put the rifle together and see how your hand lays on the handguard. Depending on where it comfortable for you, your hand might not reach the elzetta (unless you plan on using a tape switch). View Quote |
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I've heard good things about the elzetta, but I don't own one. As someone else said you need to see how you hold the rifle.
On the same note, I don't use the built in front sling loop and I found that it and the mount got in the way of my left hand (finger on the front tab of the handguard). So I cut off the mount. I also stippled the front of the tab. I probably should've mentioned the above sooner, but take a look and see if you'll use that sling mount or not. I couldn't stand it swinging around. |
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Thanks! Those are the interlocking floor mats from Harbor Freight. Stupid cheap. Great for assembly work to protect whatever is being assembled. I have 2/3 of my home shop floor covered with them. Way nicer to stand/work on than concrete and edge tools don't get totally jacked when I drop them. Link at HF... What a awesome shop....I see you built your own custom router table.....Nice work on laying out the dust collection.......Nice looking AR build too. Anti-Fatigue mats I started with just a few and added from there. Just about have the whole woodworking/assembly side of my shop covered now. https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5636/24115502945_23283205d6_c.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5794/24114895315_30a579dd35_c.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5794/24032294011_4aa1c8722b_c.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Welcome!! Your build looks really good! I use play mats for all kinds of stuff, but I've never thought to put them on my work bench for lighter duty work. I'm going to shamelessly steal that! Link at HF... What a awesome shop....I see you built your own custom router table.....Nice work on laying out the dust collection.......Nice looking AR build too. Anti-Fatigue mats I started with just a few and added from there. Just about have the whole woodworking/assembly side of my shop covered now. https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5636/24115502945_23283205d6_c.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5794/24114895315_30a579dd35_c.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5794/24032294011_4aa1c8722b_c.jpg |
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I've heard good things about the elzetta, but I don't own one. As someone else said you need to see how you hold the rifle. On the same note, I don't use the built in front sling loop and I found that it and the mount got in the way of my left hand (finger on the front tab of the handguard). So I cut off the mount. I also stippled the front of the tab. I probably should've mentioned the above sooner, but take a look and see if you'll use that sling mount or not. I couldn't stand it swinging around. View Quote |
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Check out Impact Weapon Components.
They have excellent light mounts and sling attachment points for the MOE handguard. |
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Just some words of advice (other than these things, looks like a cool build).
- Ditch the crappy Chinese red dot. You don't have to go all out, but I usually recommend at minimum an Aimpoint Pro if the rifle is being pressed into a serious use/home defense type role. Those red/green dot Chinese clones are absolutely horrible in the reliability department. - Ditch the comp/brake. Firing an AR indoors is not pleasant in the slightest (believe me, I've been there). That muzzle device is going to make it tens time worse with the concussion. Stick with a regular old A2 FH or something similar. - Get a weaponlight of some sort. I see you already have your eyes on that Elzetta FSB mount which should work fine (if your comfortable with the support hand placement that's needed). I usually like to recommend, at a minimum, a Surefire G2X Tactical. 320 lumens, single mode, and pretty much bulletproof. You can find them on different websites (I prefer Amazon) for around $45-$50/shipped. |
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Just some words of advice (other than these things, looks like a cool build). - Ditch the crappy Chinese red dot. You don't have to go all out, but I usually recommend at minimum an Aimpoint Pro if the rifle is being pressed into a serious use/home defense type role. Those red/green dot Chinese clones are absolutely horrible in the reliability department. - Ditch the comp/brake. Firing an AR indoors is not pleasant in the slightest (believe me, I've been there). That muzzle device is going to make it tens time worse with the concussion. Stick with a regular old A2 FH or something similar. - Get a weaponlight of some sort. I see you already have your eyes on that Elzetta FSB mount which should work fine (if your comfortable with the support hand placement that's needed). I usually like to recommend, at a minimum, a Surefire G2X Tactical. 320 lumens, single mode, and pretty much bulletproof. You can find them on different websites (I prefer Amazon) for around $45-$50/shipped. View Quote I understand your point on the red dot. I had the same sort of revelation when I went from cheapie scopes to Hawkes on my other stuff. I am trying to learn the rifle and quite honestly learn the iron sights as I am used to big scopes. Nice that the red dot does co-witness with the irons. For now, the Chicom red dot will have to do but I will look to upgrade it in the future. I already have the Comp2 but haven't installed it. My intent was/is to make the muzzle rise and recoil as little as possible. I'm teaching my wife to shoot both hand gun and AR and the rifle being as calm as I can make it seems to be a good thing. Sound is not an issue for her but I get what you are saying about firing one indoors. Not sure which one will win out but it has a regular bird cage on it now. Going to let her shoot it more and see if she gets used to it as is. I have the Ezetta mount on it now but could not figure out the whole light thing. So many choices at a ridiculous price point range. I ordered the Surefire G2X Tactical. Today's price was $53.55 on Amazon Prime. Thanks again for the advice and constructive criticism. Very much appreciated. |
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I bought this lower for a future build but thinking now that I should use it on this one. Seems fitting for the home defense weapon. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2817/33849943131_b408968bc5_c.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2805/33938607906_ef0b324dc2_c.jpg View Quote |
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Is that Luke 2 scripture a custom engraving? View Quote Double T Tactical out of Texas has stripped lowers with the scripture lasered on them. The verse is in odd context but still pretty cool for a home defense AR. |
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Geez nice shop.
edit I guess it's not as bad as cars but you're going to spend a ton of money here buddy |
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Geez nice shop. edit I guess it's not as bad as cars but you're going to spend a ton of money here buddy View Quote I just posted AR build #2 that is starting with an F1 chassis, NiB BCG, CMC trigger etc... Still way cheaper than cars. |
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I was thinking about the Elzetta mount. I like the idea of the light being under and in line with the barrel. Thoughts on this one? Elzetta light mount https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81FRTO2zI4L._SL1500_.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You do need a light for sure. I use a magpul moe Scout Mount on my rifle with moe handguards. Elzetta light mount https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81FRTO2zI4L._SL1500_.jpg |
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I used these almost exclusively for years on my rifles because all I wanted on them was a light, using the original handguards. They work very well in that respect. I have been putting rails on a couple of my rifles and using a differnt mount setup, but these do work very well. Elzetta makes good stuff. View Quote |
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The purple accented AR's little brother showed up today. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2948/33869353841_3cb0b2f9f7_c.jpg View Quote |
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Is there a good certified shooting instructor near you who can give you and your wife some formal instruction?
Now would be the perfect time to invest in some training. |
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Is there a good certified shooting instructor near you who can give you and your wife some formal instruction? Now would be the perfect time to invest in some training. View Quote |
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Excellent news.
After some training, you might decide on a different equipment set up. You might change optics position for best eye relief / view, light mounting position for ease of use and accessibilty, stock length, etc. Utilizing your equipment should be as intuitive as possible, particularly for HD. You will certainly be shown different stance, grip, and firearm presentation techniques. Be open minded and try to find what feels natural to you. Enjoy your new endeavor! |
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Excellent news. After some training, you might decide on a different equipment set up. You might change optics position for best eye relief / view, light mounting position for ease of use and accessibilty, stock length, etc. Utilizing your equipment should be as intuitive as possible, particularly for HD. You will certainly be shown different stance, grip, and firearm presentation techniques. Be open minded and try to find what feels natural to you. Enjoy your new endeavor! View Quote |
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For anyone with the elzetta mount how's the barrel shadow? It looks really clean but I feel like the shadow being above the barrel would bug me.
ETA: TerryH, the rifle looks great! Glad it's working out for you! |
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For anyone with the elzetta mount how's the barrel shadow? It looks really clean but I feel like the shadow being above the barrel would bug me. View Quote My preferred mount for the MOE handguard is the Impact Weapons Components for twice the price. The 10 o'clock position is the most intuitive for use with the support (left) hand IMO. If you need to switch hands, you can reach the thumb over the top of the hand guard. |
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For the price, the MagPul light mount is comparable but in a much better position. My preferred mount for the MOE handguard is the Impact Weapons Components for twice the price. The 10 o'clock position is the most intuitive for use with the support (left) hand IMO. If you need to switch hands, you can reach the thumb over the top of the hand guard. View Quote Could be nice to not have the light on the side of the rifle - lower profile. I'm just not sure about activating it or the shadow. |
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