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Posted: 1/25/2015 7:26:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Everything you seek is in here.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/449652_going_for_a_1993_Somalia_car15_build_and_need_your_help.html |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 7:44:11 PM EDT
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The M4 came out in 1994 and the M4A1 came out in July 2009. This is one of the M4 configurations you will find with the exception of the MAGPUL CTR stock and MAGPUL MIAD grip. (Aimpoint M2, LaRue Tactical LT-150 (M68) mount, MaTech 0-6-- BUIS, KAC M4 RAS, and Surefire weaponlight,)
Here is another (TA01NSN, KAC M4 RAS, MaTech 0-600 BUIS, Surefire weaponlight) 
And another. (LE6920, 16" barrel, TA31RCOM4, KAC M4 RAS, MaTech 0-600 BUIS, Surefire weaponlight) 
The M4 stock with a 4-position buffer tube was standard. Stock could vary depending on the unit and what was approved. Accessories: Like all the variants of the M16, the M4 and the M4A1 can be fitted with many accessories, such as night vision devices, suppressors, laser pointers, telescopic sights, bipods, either the M203 or M320 grenade launchers, the M26 MASS shotgun, forward hand grips, and anything else compatible with a MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail. Other common accessories include the AN/PEQ-2, Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight (ACOG), and M68 CCO. EOTech holographic weapon sights are part of the SOPMOD II package. Visible and IR (infrared) lights of various manufacturers are also commonly attached using various mounting methods. This should give you some idea of what direction to take. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 7:53:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2015 1:30:43 AM EDT
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sounds like you are off to a good start, however the Armalite FF tube would be a no-go imho.
I don't think they were every used? (could be wrong) but mostly 6 hole carbine colts for HG's |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 6:14:39 AM EDT
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If your going to use a A2 upper then you want a pre 94/95' dated gun. SOCOM adopted the M4A1 in 94' and I got my flat top M4A1 in Feb 95' after trading in our M16A2s (seem to recall only 2 ea older XM177s in the Bn arms room). We had the M68 CCO, TA01NSN ACOG, Trijicon Reflex sight (which most didn't use). Never saw a 737 in 5th SFGA at that time, saw my first one's in Baghdad in 03' from augumentees from SWTG. Some of the weapons that we used in Robin Sage Unconvential FTX (06-07') used a mixer of 727s/M4A1s out of SWTG arms room.
M4A1 in Jordan in Aug 95' 
Here I am shooting a TA01NSN equipped M4A1 in Haiti Dec 95' 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 11:09:32 AM EDT
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Basically, you would be going for this:
EXCEPT, AUTO instead of BURST, and there is more than mere speculation that the first batch of M4A1s had gray upper and lower receivers, and not black - but this has not been verified by actually spotting one in the wild. And it may have had a peel washer and not a crush washer. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 11:12:23 AM EDT
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If your going to use a A2 upper then you want a pre 94/95' dated gun. SOCOM adopted the M4A1 in 94' and I got my flat top M4A1 in Feb 95' after trading in our M16A2s (seem to recall only 2 ea older XM177s in the Bn arms room). We had the M68 CCO, TA01NSN ACOG, Trijicon Reflex sight (which most didn't use). Never saw a 737 in 5th SFGA at that time, saw my first one's in Baghdad in 03' from augumentees from SWTG. Some of the weapons that we used in Robin Sage Unconvential FTX (06-07') used a mixer of 737s/M4A1s out of SWTG arms room. M4A1 in Jordan in Aug 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Jordan_95_George_shooing_M4A1_Carbine.jpg Here I am shooting a TA01NSN equipped M4A1 in Haiti Dec 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Haiti_95_M4s.jpg CD Some add ons. The M68s didnt hit until late 99, early 2000. Ironically, they came via big Army. SOCOM still had the ACOG reflex as "Standard A". Though various Aimpoints were already commercially purchased. KAC rails and BUIS were common as well. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 1:12:04 PM EDT
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The photographs and graphic depictions don't all match up perfectly, but just as a broad guideline for times and dates:
Remember too that the M4 MWS used by conventional troops is not the same thing as the SOPMOD M4. Some of what you're going to have to consider if you want to build a clone-clone is a more specific timeframe and unit. If you're wanting to do "latest tricked out," you might find that you're seeking a lot of ARMS accessories. In terms of "basic representation," though - it's going to be relatively "simple." ~Augee |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 1:30:22 PM EDT
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Some add ons. The M68s didnt hit until late 99, early 2000. Ironically, they came via big Army. SOCOM still had the ACOG reflex as "Standard A". Though various Aimpoints were already commercially purchased. KAC rails and BUIS were common as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your going to use a A2 upper then you want a pre 94/95' dated gun. SOCOM adopted the M4A1 in 94' and I got my flat top M4A1 in Feb 95' after trading in our M16A2s (seem to recall only 2 ea older XM177s in the Bn arms room). We had the M68 CCO, TA01NSN ACOG, Trijicon Reflex sight (which most didn't use). Never saw a 737 in 5th SFGA at that time, saw my first one's in Baghdad in 03' from augumentees from SWTG. Some of the weapons that we used in Robin Sage Unconvential FTX (06-07') used a mixer of 737s/M4A1s out of SWTG arms room. M4A1 in Jordan in Aug 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Jordan_95_George_shooing_M4A1_Carbine.jpg Here I am shooting a TA01NSN equipped M4A1 in Haiti Dec 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Haiti_95_M4s.jpg CD Some add ons. The M68s didnt hit until late 99, early 2000. Ironically, they came via big Army. SOCOM still had the ACOG reflex as "Standard A". Though various Aimpoints were already commercially purchased. KAC rails and BUIS were common as well. Correct on the M68, that was mentioned as he wanted pre 9/11. When I went thru SFARTAETC in 98' we used off the shelve Aimpoints. The BUIS that I remember back in 95' that I ran behind the ACOG was the KAC 300m. CD |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 6:38:36 PM EDT
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Some of these pics are post 9/11 and then some earlier than what you are looking for, but neat set ups of A2/727's (and a 723 thrown in, and Joescuba's 653) if you don't want to go with a flat top.
Too bad we don't have a pic of Travis Haley's in Africa. I should've kept that pic. I remember one of him laying in the grass. But that was an M4, which may be more typical of what you're looking for, like Combat Diver said. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 3:57:41 AM EDT
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Is that a fixed butt M4 I'm detecting, out to sea ????
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Posted: 1/27/2015 5:13:04 PM EDT
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Is that a fixed butt M4 I'm detecting, out to sea ???? It's a "Recce." 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:33:49 PM EDT
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LOL
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Posted: 2/20/2015 9:12:57 PM EDT
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Too bad we don't have a pic of Travis Haley's in Africa. I should've kept that pic. I remember one of him laying in the grass. But that was an M4, which may be more typical of what you're looking for, like Combat Diver said. 
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Posted: 2/21/2015 11:41:06 AM EDT
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My ARMS M68 mount is currently attached to my M4 6520 upper's carry handle, it fits in the groove and tightens with a nurled nut, it also came with a throw lever bottom that can be switched on instead of the carry handle mount and added on a rail by the two flathead screws. I thought they all were like that....but I bought my ARMS mount off the EE for $50.00, so it could have came with extras.
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Posted: 2/21/2015 5:19:18 PM EDT
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Too bad we don't have a pic of Travis Haley's in Africa. I should've kept that pic. I remember one of him laying in the grass. But that was an M4, which may be more typical of what you're looking for, like Combat Diver said. http://oi62.tinypic.com/2zyaqvm.jpg http://41.media.tumblr.com/554dfd50d319c183f39e3ac59e03d765/tumblr_mq1ymqMdAj1rkasm5o1_500.jpg http://40.media.tumblr.com/602b1552cbda83925e554c805d17adef/tumblr_mr2n1lMPSy1rgw5pgo7_500.jpg Wow, you're good. That's the exact one I was remembering. OK, what in the heck is the guy holding in the last pic???? Some kind of .22 pistol with a surefire suppressor? And a red dot? What the.... Fixed barrel, means ruger but doesn't look like a Ruger. No No... My brain just exploded. Almost looks like a hi standard. Colt woodsman / huntsman. That is crazy. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 2:26:02 PM EDT
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Some sort of Custom Hushpuppy, Silenced with an Aimpoint.... Have no clue on caliber, could be a .22 or .22 mag, would work great for silencing critters without detection and fun as hell to shoot.
ETA - with the size of that can, it could possibly be 9mm but I don't know and am as curious as you. |
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Posted: 2/22/2015 3:44:31 PM EDT
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its a browning challenger with an aimpoint and KAC QDSS/NT4 suppressor.
heres another pic of a similar set up posted by haley 
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Posted: 2/23/2015 11:46:38 AM EDT
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Some of these pics are post 9/11 and then some earlier than what you are looking for, but neat set ups of A2/727's (and a 723 thrown in, and Joescuba's 653) if you don't want to go with a flat top. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp3%3B%3A%3Enu%3D3235%3E392%3E252%3EWSNRCG%3D323658%3A7357%3B9nu0mrj If I am not mistaken, that is a 723 shown above. When did that show up in the evolution of the M4? |
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Posted: 2/23/2015 4:30:11 PM EDT
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If I am not mistaken, that is a 723 shown above. When did that show up in the evolution of the M4? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of these pics are post 9/11 and then some earlier than what you are looking for, but neat set ups of A2/727's (and a 723 thrown in, and Joescuba's 653) if you don't want to go with a flat top. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp3%3B%3A%3Enu%3D3235%3E392%3E252%3EWSNRCG%3D323658%3A7357%3B9nu0mrj If I am not mistaken, that is a 723 shown above. When did that show up in the evolution of the M4? It's actually most likely an Air Force GUU-5/P. I don't have the exact introduction date of the RO723 offhand, but it was in the early-mid-1980s, IIRC, the RO727 was 1988, but again, I don't have the exact dates on hand. They were both considered "M16A2 Carbines," and would have been introduced not too long after the introduction of the commercial M16A2. ~Augee |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 9:25:15 PM EDT
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Yeah, I've seen that picture before. Air Force PJ with a GUU-5/P. Who needs a stinking forward assist!
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Posted: 2/25/2015 2:33:42 AM EDT
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If I am not mistaken, that is a 723 shown above. When did that show up in the evolution of the M4? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of these pics are post 9/11 and then some earlier than what you are looking for, but neat set ups of A2/727's (and a 723 thrown in, and Joescuba's 653) if you don't want to go with a flat top. http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp3%3B%3A%3Enu%3D3235%3E392%3E252%3EWSNRCG%3D323658%3A7357%3B9nu0mrj If I am not mistaken, that is a 723 shown above. When did that show up in the evolution of the M4? I thought I was pretty clear about what I posted. If you read my remark you'll see I called it out. I just figured I was giving the op pics of cool carbines that were used in the vicinity of the era he asked about. I apologize if they were not exactly what he asked about. I also apologize for callng it a 723 if it is in fact the guu so and so whatever the AF calls them. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 2:40:23 AM EDT
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its a browning challenger with an aimpoint and KAC QDSS/NT4 suppressor. heres another pic of a similar set up posted by haley http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/simplydynamic/22brsupp1.jpg Interesting. Wow. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 12:59:14 AM EDT
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Yeah, I've seen that picture before. Air Force PJ with a GUU-5/P. Who needs a stinking forward assist! We had GUU-5/P's in USAF EOD at about the same time. Ours were sans 203 and the cool paint. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 12:14:18 PM EDT
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What are the odds of this becoming the pre-sopmod sof rifle thread augee keeps askin for?
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Posted: 2/26/2015 1:34:23 PM EDT
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What are the odds of this becoming the pre-sopmod sof rifle thread augee keeps askin for? IMHO, the whole "pre-SOPMOD" story begins around 1970 with the Son Tay Raid, and would actually straddle Retro, the A2 forum, and AR Discussions. 
One of these days I'll get around to starting/writing a thread.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 1:34:33 PM EDT
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<dupe>
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Posted: 2/26/2015 5:13:41 PM EDT
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IMHO, the whole "pre-SOPMOD" story begins around 1970 with the Son Tay Raid, and would actually straddle Retro, the A2 forum, and AR Discussions.
One of these days I'll get around to starting/writing a thread.
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What are the odds of this becoming the pre-sopmod sof rifle thread augee keeps askin for? IMHO, the whole "pre-SOPMOD" story begins around 1970 with the Son Tay Raid, and would actually straddle Retro, the A2 forum, and AR Discussions.
One of these days I'll get around to starting/writing a thread.
~Augee Im gonna say if your gonna include the retro stuff it started well before son tay. Ive seen plenty of pics of weapons upgrades done by macv sog, lrrps and the like. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 7:11:00 PM EDT
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IMHO, the whole "pre-SOPMOD" story begins around 1970 with the Son Tay Raid, and would actually straddle Retro, the A2 forum, and AR Discussions.
One of these days I'll get around to starting/writing a thread.
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What are the odds of this becoming the pre-sopmod sof rifle thread augee keeps askin for? IMHO, the whole "pre-SOPMOD" story begins around 1970 with the Son Tay Raid, and would actually straddle Retro, the A2 forum, and AR Discussions.
One of these days I'll get around to starting/writing a thread.
~Augee Yeah, but we aint all anal about what era here. Or when someone strays from regular AR discussion and asks about a flat top this and that over here I see very little ribbing, unlike some other forums. As far as I can tell. So..... if here's where you want to do it, then by all means have at it. I doubt anyone would object. I suppose it wouldn't get much exposure though.
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Posted: 3/6/2015 1:03:59 AM EDT
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Im gonna say if your gonna include the retro stuff it started well before son tay. Ive seen plenty of pics of weapons upgrades done by macv sog, lrrps and the like. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are the odds of this becoming the pre-sopmod sof rifle thread augee keeps askin for? IMHO, the whole "pre-SOPMOD" story begins around 1970 with the Son Tay Raid, and would actually straddle Retro, the A2 forum, and AR Discussions.
One of these days I'll get around to starting/writing a thread.
~Augee Im gonna say if your gonna include the retro stuff it started well before son tay. Ive seen plenty of pics of weapons upgrades done by macv sog, lrrps and the like. It's just my personal opinion, but there are a number of things specific to the Son Tay Raid that set it apart from earlier use of carbine or "SMG" length M16 variants. If nothing else, while service members had modified their weapons earlier, it was usually on an individual and personalized basis - the Son Tay Raid, meanwhile, represents the first real use of red dot sights in an "organizational" capacity to improve hit probability and speed in low light and DA situations that to me, among many other contributions of the Son Tay Raid, represents the emergence of a new paradigm which ultimately leads to the SOPMOD program and beyond. ~Augee |
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Posted: 3/6/2015 3:13:18 PM EDT
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It's just my personal opinion, but there are a number of things specific to the Son Tay Raid that set it apart from earlier use of carbine or "SMG" length M16 variants. If nothing else, while service members had modified their weapons earlier, it was usually on an individual and personalized basis - the Son Tay Raid, meanwhile, represents the first real use of red dot sights in an "organizational" capacity to improve hit probability and speed in low light and DA situations that to me, among many other contributions of the Son Tay Raid, represents the emergence of a new paradigm which ultimately leads to the SOPMOD program and beyond. ~Augee Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are the odds of this becoming the pre-sopmod sof rifle thread augee keeps askin for? IMHO, the whole "pre-SOPMOD" story begins around 1970 with the Son Tay Raid, and would actually straddle Retro, the A2 forum, and AR Discussions.
One of these days I'll get around to starting/writing a thread.
~Augee Im gonna say if your gonna include the retro stuff it started well before son tay. Ive seen plenty of pics of weapons upgrades done by macv sog, lrrps and the like. It's just my personal opinion, but there are a number of things specific to the Son Tay Raid that set it apart from earlier use of carbine or "SMG" length M16 variants. If nothing else, while service members had modified their weapons earlier, it was usually on an individual and personalized basis - the Son Tay Raid, meanwhile, represents the first real use of red dot sights in an "organizational" capacity to improve hit probability and speed in low light and DA situations that to me, among many other contributions of the Son Tay Raid, represents the emergence of a new paradigm which ultimately leads to the SOPMOD program and beyond. ~Augee I would agree somewhat... There was no movement in 20 years after though. |
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Posted: 3/8/2015 2:31:35 AM EDT
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I would agree somewhat... There was no movement in 20 years after though. If you're talking specifically about rifle modifications, then you'd be correct, however, I think the important shift was in the mentality and conceptualization of joint special operations, which eventually led to a need for special operations peculiar modifications to the weapons. I think one thing that accounts somewhat for the "gap" was the introduction and popularity of the MP5, before the shift swung back in the direction of M16 variants. ~Augee |
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Posted: 4/16/2015 10:38:11 AM EDT
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for anybody wanting to clone that travis haley rifle
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_163/1388207_Aimpoint_CompML_XD__A_R_M_S___38_EX_Swan_Sleeve__A_R_M_S_M68_mount_Mint_condition.html |
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Posted: 4/17/2015 10:05:39 PM EDT
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for anybody wanting to clone that travis haley rifle http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_163/1388207_Aimpoint_CompML_XD__A_R_M_S___38_EX_Swan_Sleeve__A_R_M_S_M68_mount_Mint_condition.html I want that ARMS rail with integrated BUIS solo bad. I already have the M68 Aimpoint and Trilock #17 mount, just need that rail. |
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Posted: 4/18/2015 8:53:56 AM EDT
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I want that ARMS rail with integrated BUIS solo bad. I already have the M68 Aimpoint and Trilock #17 mount, just need that rail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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for anybody wanting to clone that travis haley rifle http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_163/1388207_Aimpoint_CompML_XD__A_R_M_S___38_EX_Swan_Sleeve__A_R_M_S_M68_mount_Mint_condition.html I want that ARMS rail with integrated BUIS solo bad. I already have the M68 Aimpoint and Trilock #17 mount, just need that rail. That would be a really cool setup to have on top of an M4. I have just the one for it.
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Posted: 4/22/2015 5:16:41 PM EDT
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So who bought it?
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Posted: 6/14/2015 8:56:49 PM EDT
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bumped for RTUtah
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Posted: 6/14/2015 9:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: bumped for RTUtah |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:44:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/7/2015 2:13:21 PM EDT
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SOCOM and Corps LRS started getting M4A1's in 1994.
I remember an article in Soldier Magazine where they showed SF already getting KAC RAS in 1995. Before that, most of SOCOM minus the Squeals had M16A2's, if we're talking Ranger Regiment and SF. In the SOT side of the house in Group, there were 723's and 727's, while Ranger Regiment issued 653's to some key leaders, RTO's, and other duty positions. After Somalia, Ranger Regiment dropped the M16A2 like a hot potato, with SF following soon after in favor of the M4A1. Squeals used 653's a lot in the 1970's and into the 1980's, before getting 727's. USAF CTT's and PJ's had GAU-5A/A and other 1960's-era Commando's, as well as the 14.5" GAU-5, all with no FA uppers. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:58:48 AM EDT
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I just noticed in those last pics those guys have detachable carry handles with optics on TOP. Oh the humanity.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 8:52:25 PM EDT
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I wonder if this set up was ever utilized (meaning a Colt scope, mine is a knock off though):
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Posted: 7/20/2015 7:32:15 AM EDT
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I wonder if this set up was ever utilized (meaning a Colt scope, mind is a knock off though): http://images1.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp93232%3Euqcshlukaxroqdfv382%3B7%3Enu%3D3235%3E392%3E252%3EWSNRCG%3D3775%3B4%3A259339nu0mrj doubt it..but looks good though! |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 1:06:24 PM EDT
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Thank you. I never see pics of them with USGI other than maybe in Vietnam. Well actually I remember a pick of a gunny or lance corporal or something, in Iraq with one on top of his A2 20"er. It was in the American Rifleman and I have it somewhere in my pics, but not sure where. Otherwise I've never seen them in like spec ops guys or anything.
I like them because they're compact, and I actually like the height that is at. However, this one is pretty heavy. As pictured that carbine is a bit over 8 lbs. Although it's an HBAR. But the other thing is that the eye relief is pretty short and you gotta get your face pretty close. Which can be annoying. I don't really like eating the charging handle. And they sometimes can be loose in certain carry handles. I have some painters tape on it right now. And I've used aluminum cans to shim before on another upper. I have shot some decent groups with this thing on top of an A1 before though. You think those are the old aimpoint 7000 on the pics you just posted? |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 2:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just noticed in those last pics those guys have detachable carry handles with optics on TOP. Oh the humanity. And now we have optics w/ red dots or irons on top of the optic. We have not completely solved the BUIS/1X/Variable conundrum. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 4:20:58 PM EDT
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And now we have optics w/ red dots or irons on top of the optic. We have not completely solved the BUIS/1X/Variable conundrum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/20/2015 4:41:41 PM EDT
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Agreed on both accounts.
Although now we got the canted irons too. Can't forget those. LOL. Doesn't really work with a USGI type M4 though. |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 7:09:17 PM EDT
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If your going to use a A2 upper then you want a pre 94/95' dated gun. SOCOM adopted the M4A1 in 94' and I got my flat top M4A1 in Feb 95' after trading in our M16A2s (seem to recall only 2 ea older XM177s in the Bn arms room). We had the M68 CCO, TA01NSN ACOG, Trijicon Reflex sight (which most didn't use). Never saw a 737 in 5th SFGA at that time, saw my first one's in Baghdad in 03' from augumentees from SWTG. Some of the weapons that we used in Robin Sage Unconvential FTX (06-07') used a mixer of 727s/M4A1s out of SWTG arms room. M4A1 in Jordan in Aug 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Jordan_95_George_shooing_M4A1_Carbine.jpg Here I am shooting a TA01NSN equipped M4A1 in Haiti Dec 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Haiti_95_M4s.jpg CD Hey CD, do you remember if that was a CAR type stock or the newer M4 on those? |
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Posted: 7/23/2015 9:16:46 PM EDT
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Hey CD, do you remember if that was a CAR type stock or the newer M4 on those? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your going to use a A2 upper then you want a pre 94/95' dated gun. SOCOM adopted the M4A1 in 94' and I got my flat top M4A1 in Feb 95' after trading in our M16A2s (seem to recall only 2 ea older XM177s in the Bn arms room). We had the M68 CCO, TA01NSN ACOG, Trijicon Reflex sight (which most didn't use). Never saw a 737 in 5th SFGA at that time, saw my first one's in Baghdad in 03' from augumentees from SWTG. Some of the weapons that we used in Robin Sage Unconvential FTX (06-07') used a mixer of 727s/M4A1s out of SWTG arms room. M4A1 in Jordan in Aug 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Jordan_95_George_shooing_M4A1_Carbine.jpg Here I am shooting a TA01NSN equipped M4A1 in Haiti Dec 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Haiti_95_M4s.jpg CD Hey CD, do you remember if that was a CAR type stock or the newer M4 on those? M4 stock didnt come till around 02.. |
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Hey CD, do you remember if that was a CAR type stock or the newer M4 on those? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your going to use a A2 upper then you want a pre 94/95' dated gun. SOCOM adopted the M4A1 in 94' and I got my flat top M4A1 in Feb 95' after trading in our M16A2s (seem to recall only 2 ea older XM177s in the Bn arms room). We had the M68 CCO, TA01NSN ACOG, Trijicon Reflex sight (which most didn't use). Never saw a 737 in 5th SFGA at that time, saw my first one's in Baghdad in 03' from augumentees from SWTG. Some of the weapons that we used in Robin Sage Unconvential FTX (06-07') used a mixer of 727s/M4A1s out of SWTG arms room. M4A1 in Jordan in Aug 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Jordan_95_George_shooing_M4A1_Carbine.jpg Here I am shooting a TA01NSN equipped M4A1 in Haiti Dec 95' http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Haiti_95_M4s.jpg CD Hey CD, do you remember if that was a CAR type stock or the newer M4 on those? Believe they were CAR stocks CD |
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