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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:58:32 AM EDT
Or rather, will be an A2, and a historically inaccurate one at that. I've been registered on Arfcom for a decade but managed to resist the lego gun fever until now. Didn't feel like getting swept up in the 16" tacticool trend--decided to take an oldschool route for my budget build.
What we have or have on order: $70 Anderson stripped lower, from LGS $375 Del-Ton 20" A2 hbar upper with shaved bayo lug, lightly used from THR $40 Model 1 A2 stock/buffer set from EE $25 Wilson muzzle brake (MA laws, etc) from EE $7 USGI sling from EE Still need an LPK and I'm working on sourcing some cheap pre-ban mags. The upper comes with Magpul MOE handgaurds so I'll have to see about getting some oldschool round ones, too. |
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Sounds real good so far, and your at $517., and that's not bad considering all you need to finish the parts search is the LPK, keep your eye's on the EE. Remember to post some pic's when you get it all together. And don't forget the range day pic's to, of your best groupings. Good luck with your build. |
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One suggestion. If it is in your funds, you may want to have that barrel reprofiled by ADCO or someone. A 20" HBar is just one front heavy weapon. If you're just shooting it from the bench all the time, no big deal, but it always feels very unbalanced to me. ADCO can lighten that profile up for not too much money.
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Thanks. Yeah, the hbar upper was the best-condition 20" used upper I could find for the price. If figure if the weight becomes an issue I'll sell the barrel and swap it with a 1/7 chrome plated govt profile.
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It might be easier to reprofile than to find a barrel. But either way. Let us know when your A2 all done with PICS of course.
The upside to an HBAR is it might be good shooter. Less affected by heat and all that. But they just always made me go yuck when handling them. But I'm kind of small and whimpy. |
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Haha. I'll be sure load up on red meat and carbs before toting my rifle anywhere.
Any better deal on good LPKs out there than PSA's Classic LPK for $45? Probably gonna order that with some $8.99 D&H 10-rounders. |
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Very nice. Mine'll look something like that when I'm done.
Yeah, Mass laws are a little weird. It's added $65 to this build to get a brake and have it pinned on. I can't see how that'll make my neighborhood safer. |
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Got a $40 DPMS LPK on the way off the EE. Upper should be here mid next week, too.
Just need some mags now. Just my luck when I started this build two weeks ago everyone on EE was selling cheap prebans and now they're all sold. |
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Now have a wide variety of 10, 20, and 30 round mags on the way, along with a set of A2 handguards and a spiffy AR cleaning mat.
Anyone have photos of an A2 with A1 triangle handguards? Been thinking about trying a set out but I'm not sure how strange it'd look. |
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You best upload pics!!! My first A2 upper should be on its way within the next few days. Looks like its in really nice shape too im stoked. I love the M4 clone thing but its time for some M-16 cloneage. Probably going to build an M-16A4 after the A2 as well. Assuming I can find a flat top upper with no feedramp cuts
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Added a new twist today: LMT 2-stage trigger set off EE for $55. Now I'll never know the joy of shooting an AR with a milspec trigger.
At the moment I have about a dozen AR-related parts currently in the mail. This will be an interesting week. |
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Bloody hell. My upper showed up today. On the plus side, it's actually a govt. profile and looks brand new. On the minus side, the FSB isn't attached correctly and the gas tube is bent or otherwise grinding against the key on the BCG. Not worth having a gunsmith put a new FSB on and drill the barrel so I'm still on the hunt for an upper.
At least the rest of the kit is ready to roll. |
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Well that sounds no good.
About your other question with triangle safeguards, somebody on this site has one just like that and has posted pics. Maybe look in the pic thread. |
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Bloody hell. My upper showed up today. On the plus side, it's actually a govt. profile and looks brand new. On the minus side, the FSB isn't attached correctly and the gas tube is bent or otherwise grinding against the key on the BCG. Not worth having a gunsmith put a new FSB on and drill the barrel so I'm still on the hunt for an upper. View Quote Are you sure the FSB is installed improperly? Or could it be that the Barrel Nut is not torqued and aligned properly, causing the Gas Tube problem? What are the markings on the Barrel? And can you post some pics of the Barrel Markings, and FSB, and the Barrel Nut / Gas Tube Interface area? If you go to Jon Thomas's site retroarmsworks.com, then Gallery then pic #46 it shows a Heavy Barreled AR with Triangle Handguards on, they are A1, not A2 Uppers, but you can still get the idea. But no matter, Post some pics of the Upper that you received, it may just need the barrel to be re-mounted properly ! |
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The guy I got it from used a virgin barrel with a used FSB. He tapped the pin holes in the FSB for setscrews but they don't mate up with any dimples or lands on the barrel, and some of the setscrews are broken. The whole thing is just a loose mess. Plus the gas tube seems to be bent.
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The guy I got it from used a virgin barrel with a used FSB. He tapped the pin holes in the FSB for setscrews but they don't mate up with any dimples or lands on the barrel, and some of the setscrews are broken. The whole thing is just a loose mess. Plus the gas tube seems to be bent. View Quote Holy Crap !!! He really did a Bang-Up Job on it ! Get yourself the smallest EZ-Out you can find, and drill thru those broken Set Screws, to remove them. Earilier this year, when my LGS was doing a bloout on Anderson Lower Receivers, I bought a lower receiver from a guy who tried to Tap the Rear Take Down Spring Hole, and he ended up breaking the Tap in the Lower Receiver. It WAS a Brand New Anderson Lower when he began, by the time he gave up, it looked like a BTDT Lower Receiver. But, it was a Steal at $15. He just kept saying, that the guy at the Gun Shop said it was easy. He probably would have worked, if he had used oil (any oil), and after each 1/4 cut in, back out at least 1 to 2 turns. It was pretty easy putting in the rear Takedown Pin, Spring & Detent, after I cut a couple of coils off the Spring. Then I used a grinding wheel on the Dremmell Tool to smooth the remaining part of the Tap down, so it would not interfere with anything on the back of the receiver. |
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I sent it back. By the time I fixed it I'd be far over the cost of a brand new 20" upper. I had assumed it was a factory DTI upper but it turned out to be something this dude assembled with whatever was in his junk drawer.
In weirder news, I agreed to buy a Bushmaster A2 16" dissipator upper, so this project might be done soon. It's a postban upper with an unthreaded barrel, so it both looks ridiculous and saves me the hassle of making it compliant for my state. |
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I was going to point out that on the EE, there's a Complete Colt A2 Upper Half for sale. I think the guy wants like $650 for it. Here's the link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=159&t=1348851 |
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So you'll have a dissy with no FH, cool. I'm digging that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Yeah, with the little stubby wart of a barrel. It's a distinctly period piece from the ban era. Quoted:
I was going to point out that on the EE, there's a Complete Colt A2 Upper Half for sale. I think the guy wants like $650 for it. Here's the link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=159&t=1348851 I saw that. Looks nice but it's about $350 over my budget. Plus I'd have to butcher it to meet state regs. Quoted:
I have a government profile Bushmaster Dissapator barrel, I had the bayonet lug ground off and a Battlecomp 1.5 pin/welded on, then I mated it to a Colt M4 flat-top upper with a Daniel Defense A1.5 rear sight. I changed the sight drum out for a Rapidex Sight wheel to Modernize it a bit, and tossed a Primary Arms 1x6x32 Scope on a see though riser, so I can use my BUIS for close ranges and my scope for long distance shots. I Have a picture of it before I put the scope/riser on that I'll post up so you can see what they look like tricked out. Sorry for the crappy cell phone picture <a href="http://s236.photobucket.com/user/whiskey_024/media/IMG_20140905_161450.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/whiskey_024/IMG_20140905_161450.jpg</a> Nice piece. I'll probably keep mine pretty stock for the time being. Gonna party like it's 1999, literally. |
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ABTOMAT-47, I like your Box-O-Mags ! It looks like most of them are 20 rounders'. Do you want to share any of them ? |
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So...I kinda agreed to buy a Colt 6601 20" A2 hbar match upper. This is pulling away from "budget build" but it's gonna be a nice A2.
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If you have the cash to spare, is much rather have a match gun that shots lights out and loks good doing it over a pieced together budget mix Master every time. Pretty sure your feeling the same way seeing how you already went that route, absolutely only downside is they are heavy suckers but hey you can't have it all.
Best of luck with it looks your off to pretty rapid and healthy start at magazine collecting. Now the pics? |
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BCG and CH got here today. Bushy upper should come in in a day or two. And to top it off I found 1K rounds of Winchester 5.56.
Colt upper should be in next week. |
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OK, everything but the Colt upper and ammo is here. Pics of the dissipator config shortly.
Given my financial state I can probably only keep one upper, despite really liking the idea of building two ARs. I don't mind the 20" length so is there any reason to keep the Bushmaster upper? It's a 16" chrome 1/9 dissipator, while the Colt is a 20" 1/7 Match Target 6601 that may or may not be chromed. |
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Shoot them both and see if you like one more than the other. That's my advice.
Some barrels are ammo picky. Some aren't. The dissy might be that much better than the 20"er that you might find it hard to part with. My Govt A2 is accurate, but it's annoying to shoot sometimes. The shift in POI from one brand of ammo to another is awful. If I shoot the same kind of ammo through it, no problem, but the thing gets under my skin when I'm trying different loads. I'm not really sure what to do about it other than realize that it has this issue. But other guns are more fun when you can throw different ammo through them and have a different POI so bad. And then there's accuracy in general. Some are just..... well, some are a lot better than others. And some like certain ammo better than others. If you have a stash of ammo, and your barrel is like ,pffffffft, I'm only giving you 4-5 MOA consistently, it would be a huge bummer. Anyways.... that's my advice. EVERY BARREL IS PREJUDICED |
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BEAUTIFUL
Would love to see it with the dissy upper on. What's the profile on the dissy? Is it HBAR up until the gas block? I bet they will both shoot nice. |
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Both uppers are hbars. With the 20" upper the whole rifle weighs about 8.5 pounds.
I'll get a pic with the dissy next time I have it apart. |
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And here we go. Non-tacticool build complete. Ammo should be here next week and I ordered a MOE grip since this A2 thing doesn't fit my skinny fingers, but other than that we're all set. Only thing I'm puzzling over is a ding in one of the feedramps that looks like a factory pre-assembly problem, but that shouldn't be difficult to get rid of. http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/20487/arms/DSC_0095_zps63b3e3f6.jpg~original http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/20487/arms/DSC_0096_zps60450c7b.jpg~original http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/20487/arms/DSC_0097_zps0d8d8676.jpg~original http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/20487/arms/DSC_0098_zps239b564f.jpg~original http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/20487/arms/feedramp_zps70558076.jpg~original View Quote Very nice indeed BTW, you can use a fine mini (jeweler's) file to smooth out the ding on the right feed-ramp on the barrel extension and hit it with a little cold blue. |
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That must have been a factory defect. That steel's hard enough it wore down two of my jeweler's files. Eventually managed to smooth it out, though. Ammo should be here next week and then the fun starts.
Also figured I'd make one concession to the whole silly AR-bling trend and traded for some anti-rotation pins. Easier than getting a tattoo at least. |
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Oh boy, the Magpul grip feels so much better. The A2 grips must be designed for munchkins. http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/20487/DSC_0119_zps8aaa2f7b.jpg View Quote Great looking rifle op. I like it. Sold a colt hbar barrel to behind enemy lines. Dont forget to rock the vote and be active in politics around the 2nd amendment up there. On the a2 grip, when i was first shooting i, like many, hated it as well. As i got more educated on the platform and a better ar shooter, i realized most people myself included tend to push their hand around too far. And that makes the a2 nipple uncomfy. If you put the pad of your index finger on the trigger barely and pull your hand back some, the a2 grip becomes much better.. Ive actually grown to like it because it makes me remeber to focus on my grip and to make sure i get it right. Of course some might just be ergonomics, but give it a try. More pics and a range report would be nice! |
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I'll keep that in mind. My issue is more than I have really long, skinny fingers. The diameter of the A2 grip feels like a pencil and didn't give me a feeling of control, and that finger bump tended to end up under my middle finger.
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That must have been a factory defect. That steel's hard enough it wore down two of my jeweler's files. Eventually managed to smooth it out, though. Ammo should be here next week and then the fun starts. Also figured I'd make one concession to the whole silly AR-bling trend and traded for some anti-rotation pins. Easier than getting a tattoo at least. View Quote Don't know about that... I have 6 tats, used to have 7 but my wife made me get one removed before she'd marry me. Removal is WAY more painful than application (lot more expensive too...) but still doesn't seem as painful as putting KNS stuff on a clean looking AR lower, esp. one as clean as an A2. |
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ABTOMAT-47, I like your Box-O-Mags ! It looks like most of them are 20 rounders'. Do you want to share any of them ? I can get 100's of Colt 20's with aluminum followers for $11.00 each shipped Same source where we got ours before? |
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jrs93accord, it probably was the same source. They were all Colt's with the metal Follower, the Floor Plates were all marked Colt 5.56MM, and the bodies had the UI stamp. They are all very nice mags, and the ones I got, all functioned flawlessly. |
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ABTOMAT-47, I like your Box-O-Mags ! It looks like most of them are 20 rounders'. Do you want to share any of them ? I can get 100's of Colt 20's with aluminum followers for $11.00 each shipped Same source where we got ours before? Yes, I've been helping the seller unload a large stash of Colt 20's and for helping him, I can get them for $10.00 each. Problem is they aren't selling as fast as they once were because it's flooded with Colt 20's now. People are bitching about paying $14-$15 each when 6 months ago they were fighting over them for $20.00 each. |
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Needs moar rails & a forward-mounted Aimpoint. Beautiful rifle anyway.
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