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Posted: 12/12/2014 1:41:57 PM EDT
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All of these responses are outstanding and have given me some real good ideas. Thanks folks!
Keep 'em coming if you wish. Looks like the 727 is most popular. Ralph |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:04:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:12:03 PM EDT
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Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.
I do have to say it's begging to be cut down to 14.7" though. 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:23:45 PM EDT
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Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. I do have to say it's begging to be cut down to 14.7" though. Let me recover from the holiday spending. I'll post the pics when I get another barrel. 
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:19:08 PM EDT
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I was just giving you crap. It's awesome the way it is.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:50:22 PM EDT
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I was just giving you crap. It's awesome the way it is. Na, 14.7 BBL is gonna be tits |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:58:28 PM EDT
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Do a 14.5" with a perm attached extended A2...
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Posted: 12/20/2014 9:41:12 PM EDT
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Na, 14.7 BBL is gonna be tits Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was just giving you crap. It's awesome the way it is. Na, 14.7 BBL is gonna be tits But I like butts. hehehehe. No, I like em both. DOH. That's terrible. Resume normalcy. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:08:20 PM EDT
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Joescuba, is that a Hensholdt (sp) Scope you have on your Carbine. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:10:27 PM EDT
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Joescuba, is that a Hensholdt (sp) Scope you have on your Carbine. Yes it is. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 7:22:26 PM EDT
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Dug out the TM. It was not as clear cut as I thought. I guess I confused it with another manual. Anyways, these are changes to the Army Operators manual TM0-1005-319-10 August 1986, which is for the M-16A2. It is issued as a Basic Issue Item with every rifle. Basically, a "change" is an addition to an existing manual so that the entire manual does not have to be redone. In some cases, its just the change that is sent out, and the operator is supposed to add the change to the manual. In others, the change is added at the Gov't printing office, and is bound into the book. That is the case with the two manuals that I have. One manual has change 2 (which adds the M4), another manual I have adds change 2, and change 3 (which adds the M4A1 carbine) Basically, change 2 is dated 23 June 1993, and adds the M4 carbine. The line drawling shows the M4 with a carry handle. While it could be argued that the line drawling is wrong, there is no mention of the detachable carry handle. In addition, the effective range figures listed would seem to point towards a carry handle type with an 800m elevation wheel. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6421.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6423.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6424.jpg Change 3 is dated 1 May 1995, and introduces the M4A1 carbine. The M4A1 carbine is shown with a detachable carry handle. In addition, the facts/figures in this change point towards the M4 having an 800m elevation wheel. The manual also adds the PMCS (Pre inspection) step of the detachable carry handle. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6412.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6414.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6415.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6416.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Stottman/Stottman027/IMG_6418.jpg The next manual I have is dated 1998, and is a totally new -10 for the M-16 series. It covers the M-16A2, A3, A4, as well as the M4/M4A1. That manual shows the M4/M4A1 being the same, with the exception of burst/auto. All three manuals were raided from the Arms room at my unit, which dated M4A1s. The M4A1 I was issued was an earlier, light barreled version, with a 1995 barrel date. I don't know if it means much to anyone, but I definitely recall seeing M4s with A2 uppers @ Oct 95 at NAS JRB New Orleans. I specifically recall one of my squadron mates commenting that the reason they didn't have the flat tops was because reserve bases are always handed the shit end of the stick. (He got whopped upside the back of his head by the chief for saying that whilst we were standing so close to the marines.) Chief then stated that those M4s were more accurate due to having 800 meter sights vs. the carry-handle type's 600 meter ones.  Being only an E-4 at the time, I simply kept quiet & watch them log the transfers.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 12:36:37 AM EDT
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My buds A2 carbine. I guess it can go here. My old lower from the mid 80s(I think its a cast Bushy. does that sound right?). A2/CAR15(5.5+11.5") upper kit, LPK, CAR stock, all from Bushy around 92. At my prodding, hes recently installed the light/mount, DA RDS. He just had finished the Gun Skins vinyl kit today. I'd like him to swap out to a different barrel setup..
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Posted: 3/10/2015 2:19:59 PM EDT
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Here is my attempt at a 727. Found a NOS upper with a 14.5" barrel and mounted it on my transferable select fire lower (Sendra made, Rock Island Armory converted). The upper is definitiely more of a dark gray while the lower is more black, but the match is close enough to not drive me crazy.
Thanks for looking, Chris |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 2:26:52 PM EDT
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Oh my wow!
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Posted: 3/10/2015 3:06:48 PM EDT
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Oh my wow! Yeah, that's as close to a real, legit 727 as any of us are gonna get. You win hands down. /thread. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 3:41:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2015 12:01:08 AM EDT
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Nice 727s above! /\
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Posted: 3/11/2015 9:52:30 AM EDT
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Here is my attempt at a 727. Found a NOS upper with a 14.5" barrel and mounted it on my transferable select fire lower (Sendra made, Rock Island Armory converted). The upper is definitiely more of a dark gray while the lower is more black, but the match is close enough to not drive me crazy. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20156_zpsid2mpmj5.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20157_zpszgzrepni.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20158_zpszwoojn82.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20152_zpsn3fb5mgk.jpg Thanks for looking, Chris Just noticed the M16A1 lower, extra nice.  I'd love to pin my XM177E2 upper to that lower and blast away!
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Posted: 3/11/2015 9:55:40 AM EDT
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Yeah, that's as close to a real, legit 727 as any of us are gonna get. You win hands down. /thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh my wow! Yeah, that's as close to a real, legit 727 as any of us are gonna get. You win hands down. /thread. That was the winner |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:01:57 PM EDT
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He didn't even give anybody a chance. LOL.
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Posted: 3/12/2015 1:29:31 PM EDT
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Here is my attempt at a 727. Found a NOS upper with a 14.5" barrel and mounted it on my transferable select fire lower (Sendra made, Rock Island Armory converted). The upper is definitiely more of a dark gray while the lower is more black, but the match is close enough to not drive me crazy. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20156_zpsid2mpmj5.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20157_zpszgzrepni.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20158_zpszwoojn82.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20152_zpsn3fb5mgk.jpg Thanks for looking, Chris Is it just me and my old tired eyes, or in the third picture, is your receiver end plate on backwards? |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 2:43:11 PM EDT
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Is it just me and my old tired eyes, or in the third picture, is your receiver end plate on backwards? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is my attempt at a 727. Found a NOS upper with a 14.5" barrel and mounted it on my transferable select fire lower (Sendra made, Rock Island Armory converted). The upper is definitiely more of a dark gray while the lower is more black, but the match is close enough to not drive me crazy. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20156_zpsid2mpmj5.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20157_zpszgzrepni.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20158_zpszwoojn82.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20152_zpsn3fb5mgk.jpg Thanks for looking, Chris Is it just me and my old tired eyes, or in the third picture, is your receiver end plate on backwards? I just noticed that too. It is on backwards. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 5:41:23 PM EDT
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I just noticed that too. It is on backwards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is my attempt at a 727. Found a NOS upper with a 14.5" barrel and mounted it on my transferable select fire lower (Sendra made, Rock Island Armory converted). The upper is definitiely more of a dark gray while the lower is more black, but the match is close enough to not drive me crazy. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20156_zpsid2mpmj5.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20157_zpszgzrepni.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20158_zpszwoojn82.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/M4A2%20152_zpsn3fb5mgk.jpg Thanks for looking, Chris Is it just me and my old tired eyes, or in the third picture, is your receiver end plate on backwards? I just noticed that too. It is on backwards. It sure is. |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 6:03:15 PM EDT
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Good eyes, gentlemen! It is on backwards, and has been for quite some time. It's the plate that came with the gun, and has the fairly standard (from what I've seen) oval shape for the bump. However, the Sendra receiver has a very round indent where the bump would go. So trying to mount it properly doesn't allow it to sit flat. It's not been an issue for many years, but at some point I need to find a plate that fits.
Thanks! Chris |
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Posted: 3/12/2015 8:24:05 PM EDT
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Good eyes, gentlemen! It is on backwards, and has been for quite some time. It's the plate that came with the gun, and has the fairly standard (from what I've seen) oval shape for the bump. However, the Sendra receiver has a very round indent where the bump would go. So trying to mount it properly doesn't allow it to sit flat. It's not been an issue for many years, but at some point I need to find a plate that fits. Thanks! Chris But, not being seated in the indent would allow the buffer tube to rotate and problems would occur. I might take a dremel tool and work the indent until the end plate would go in correctly. At least your retaing nut doesn't appear to be staked, so the job becomes easier. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 8:49:15 AM EDT
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But, not being seated in the indent would allow the buffer tube to rotate and problems would occur. I might take a dremel tool and work the indent until the end plate would go in correctly. At least your retaing nut doesn't appear to be staked, so the job becomes easier. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good eyes, gentlemen! It is on backwards, and has been for quite some time. It's the plate that came with the gun, and has the fairly standard (from what I've seen) oval shape for the bump. However, the Sendra receiver has a very round indent where the bump would go. So trying to mount it properly doesn't allow it to sit flat. It's not been an issue for many years, but at some point I need to find a plate that fits. Thanks! Chris But, not being seated in the indent would allow the buffer tube to rotate and problems would occur. I might take a dremel tool and work the indent until the end plate would go in correctly. At least your retaing nut doesn't appear to be staked, so the job becomes easier. I wouldn't put a dremel anywhere near any part that touches a transferable select fire NFA lower. Ever. For any reason. A correct end plate costs $3-5. Go to a gun show, find the guy with the table full of individual parts and buy 2 or 3 endplates. Keep the one that fits, then PIF the ones you don't use. Problem solved. For the love of god don't dremel a transferable lower.
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:51:15 AM EDT
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Well, depending on your skill set, perhaps you shouldn't get anywhere near a transferable lower with a dremel tool. I myself wouldn't have any problem modifying the rear of the receiver to take a standard part. When I'm done, you wouldn't be able to tell if has been corrected.
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Posted: 3/13/2015 11:38:27 AM EDT
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I wouldn't put a dremel anywhere near any part that touches a transferable select fire NFA lower. Ever. For any reason. A correct end plate costs $3-5. Go to a gun show, find the guy with the table full of individual parts and buy 2 or 3 endplates. Keep the one that fits, then PIF the ones you don't use. Problem solved. For the love of god don't dremel a transferable lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good eyes, gentlemen! It is on backwards, and has been for quite some time. It's the plate that came with the gun, and has the fairly standard (from what I've seen) oval shape for the bump. However, the Sendra receiver has a very round indent where the bump would go. So trying to mount it properly doesn't allow it to sit flat. It's not been an issue for many years, but at some point I need to find a plate that fits. Thanks! Chris But, not being seated in the indent would allow the buffer tube to rotate and problems would occur. I might take a dremel tool and work the indent until the end plate would go in correctly. At least your retaing nut doesn't appear to be staked, so the job becomes easier. I wouldn't put a dremel anywhere near any part that touches a transferable select fire NFA lower. Ever. For any reason. A correct end plate costs $3-5. Go to a gun show, find the guy with the table full of individual parts and buy 2 or 3 endplates. Keep the one that fits, then PIF the ones you don't use. Problem solved. For the love of god don't dremel a transferable lower. +1 Don't go anywhere near that thing with a dremel! Replace or modify the $5 part, not the $20,000 part. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 12:16:48 PM EDT
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Well, depending on your skill set, perhaps you shouldn't get anywhere near a transferable lower with a dremel tool. I myself wouldn't have any problem modifying the rear of the receiver to take a standard part. When I'm done, you wouldn't be able to tell if has been corrected. I read that in Liam Neeson's voice. No. Don't Dremel the lower. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 4:32:08 PM EDT
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Okay, everybody says not to dremel the lower, but why not? Please explain.
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Posted: 3/13/2015 4:53:19 PM EDT
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Okay, everybody says not to dremel the lower, but why not? Please explain. Lower worth $20,000 Part that doesn't fit right worth $5 Which would you rather chance? And good luck trying to sell an RR at market once you've "custom modified it" with a dremel tool to make that $5 part work. |
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Posted: 3/13/2015 8:49:11 PM EDT
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Thanks for setting me straight. Why wouldn't the $5 part not fit in the first place? Poor machining? I thought people said that Sendra lowers that were converted were second only to Colt in quality machining. I'm just curious as I've never seen a lower that a receiver end plate (the military ones anyways) wouldn't fit into. Have been working on AR's since the late 70's BTW.
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Posted: 3/13/2015 8:55:41 PM EDT
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Thanks for setting me straight. Why wouldn't the $5 part not fit in the first place? Poor machining? I thought people said that Sendra lowers that were converted were second only to Colt in quality machining. I'm just curious as I've never seen a lower that a receiver end plate (the military ones anyways) wouldn't fit into. Have been working on AR's since the late 70's BTW. Only ranger4-7 can answer that question for sure. My best guess is maybe an end plate that was stamped a little out of spec and slipped through the process. I've only been in the game less than five years, so I can't speak to the parts and quality there-of that were on the market back then 
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Posted: 3/13/2015 9:21:07 PM EDT
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Thanks. Didn't think about the plate being out of spec. I was just worried about firing a full auto with a buffer tube that could rotate, possibly freeing up the buffer detent. Bad things could occur!
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Posted: 3/15/2015 8:20:00 AM EDT
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Thanks gentlemen! This thread has actually served to remind me that I am as dumb as a bag of hammers. Turns out the plate is note the issue, as it fit, just fine, when I removed the but stock assembly (with the intent of hitting the plate bump with the dremel). Its only when mounted on the tube that it miss-aligns. So I started to think, and it occurred to me that duh, I had changed the tube a while back, because the one that came with the gun was a glossy blue/purple number that didn't match the finish. I went back to some older photos, and confirmed that the plate was properly mounted with the old tube. So I'll go back to the original, while waiting for a new matt finish tube to arrive.
Here is the gun in it's original configuration (yes, I know the selector is on fire, but I promise all the nervous nellies that there was no ammo in that magazine or in the gun). 
Close up of the receiver 
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Posted: 3/15/2015 1:17:27 PM EDT
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Thanks gentlemen! This thread has actually served to remind me that I am as dumb as a bag of hammers. Turns out the plate is note the issue, as it fit, just fine, when I removed the but stock assembly (with the intent of hitting the plate bump with the dremel). Its only when mounted on the tube that it miss-aligns. So I started to think, and it occurred to me that duh, I had changed the tube a while back, because the one that came with the gun was a glossy blue/purple number that didn't match the finish. I went back to some older photos, and confirmed that the plate was properly mounted with the old tube. So I'll go back to the original, while waiting for a new matt finish tube to arrive. Here is the gun in it's original configuration (yes, I know the selector is on fire, but I promise all the nervous nellies that there was no ammo in that magazine or in the gun). http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/Combos/DSC_0219.jpg Close up of the receiver http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/Combos/CopyofDSC_0217.jpg Thanks, Chris Thank you for sharing pictures of that beautiful carbine Ranger4-7 ... BTW, I'd heard many moons ago that Lewis Machine & Tools did make some A1 lowers for Sendra |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 9:10:24 AM EDT
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Thanks gentlemen! This thread has actually served to remind me that I am as dumb as a bag of hammers. Turns out the plate is note the issue, as it fit, just fine, when I removed the but stock assembly (with the intent of hitting the plate bump with the dremel). Its only when mounted on the tube that it miss-aligns. So I started to think, and it occurred to me that duh, I had changed the tube a while back, because the one that came with the gun was a glossy blue/purple number that didn't match the finish. I went back to some older photos, and confirmed that the plate was properly mounted with the old tube. So I'll go back to the original, while waiting for a new matt finish tube to arrive. Here is the gun in it's original configuration (yes, I know the selector is on fire, but I promise all the nervous nellies that there was no ammo in that magazine or in the gun). http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/Combos/DSC_0219.jpg Close up of the receiver http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/ranger4-7/Combos/CopyofDSC_0217.jpg Thanks, Chris Are the buffer tube and stock mil-spec or 'civi'-spec? |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:55:00 AM EDT
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I'm going to say that both of the tubes are commercial. I say that because even though they both measure 7.25" long and have flat backs, they also have an external tube diameter of 1.17"
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:58:34 PM EDT
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This shan't be archived
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Posted: 7/31/2015 1:25:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2015 11:44:39 PM EDT
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 Looks nice! I don't have a fraction of the knowledge that you guys have, but I have to admit that's the first non forward assist A2 style upper I've seen. It almost looks like there's a line, like it has been patched/filled, or it could just be the crack in my cell phone screen... Can you enlighten me about the upper? Thanks |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 12:59:10 AM EDT
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Looks nice! I don't have a fraction of the knowledge that you guys have, but I have to admit that's the first non forward assist A2 style upper I've seen. It almost looks like there's a line, like it has been patched/filled, or it could just be the crack in my cell phone screen... Can you enlighten me about the upper? Thanks Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looks nice! I don't have a fraction of the knowledge that you guys have, but I have to admit that's the first non forward assist A2 style upper I've seen. It almost looks like there's a line, like it has been patched/filled, or it could just be the crack in my cell phone screen... Can you enlighten me about the upper? Thanks I don't know if Morg hangs out here often enough to enlighten you, but he snagged that upper from another member Tiger222 IIRC. It's a genuine Colt LMG upper and your eyes did not deceive you, the forward assist was milled off a-la the Colt 605 upper. That's why you see an outline of where the F/A would normally be. Since the LMG fires from an open bolt position, there's no need for a F/A. Hope that helps 
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Posted: 9/25/2015 2:41:11 AM EDT
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Great info thanks!
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Posted: 9/25/2015 6:42:12 PM EDT
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I'm sorry I ever sold that gun.
 Only shot it a couple times, but it handled real nice, and the extra weight of the SOCOM barrel didn't bother me at all. I would like to build another one at some point. Right now selling books is more important.
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