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Posted: 12/30/2011 11:36:58 PM

Originally Posted By imdBman:
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg

Soon to be a C8FTHB using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc

Where do you get a replica Simon Sleeve????


I turned one on my lathe, to fit the 0.74" OD Armalite barrel. I got a scale drawing for a Simon Sleeve last Spring, then another Canadian ARfcommer recently sent me the original CF requisition specs for the sleeve.

What's funny is, the work they went thru reengineering the M203 forgings, front mount bracket, sight/mount, then having to turn down a shitload of carbine barrels to fit the Simon Sleeve, just to save a few Maint Techs time swapping out M203s for the CF units training up then deploying to Afghanistan, all probably cost more than just buying a KAC M203 QD bracket and going to the M4 profile on their C8-series.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 11:38:52 AM


What's the MG on the lower right corner there?

Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s?

~Augee
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Posted: 1/3/2012 3:55:40 PM
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What's the MG on the lower right corner there?

Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s?

~Augee


7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 3:56:58 PM
Originally Posted By imdBman:
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg

Soon to be a C8FTHB using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc

Where do you get a replica Simon Sleeve????



tacord.com
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Posted: 1/3/2012 3:58:30 PM
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg

Soon to be a C8SFW using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc

To improve upon these:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/C8SFWC7A2A-1.jpg

I have a 1984 Canadian Bombardier Command and Recce Iltis that I drive in local parades and display at the local airshows. Looks hinkey to me to have a EAC and Stag AR lowers displayed with the rest of the kit being perfect. I did a horse-trade with Braceman for the above C8 lower, hope to get the C7 engraved next month.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/TerrorTwins.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/ISAF6.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/ISAF11.jpg

Where did you get the lower engraved? That's awesome.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 4:26:30 PM
Originally Posted By RebelRouser:
Originally Posted By Augee:


What's the MG on the lower right corner there?

Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s?

~Augee


7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW.


So not AR based, though?

~Augee
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Posted: 1/3/2012 8:25:26 PM
I didn't even know I needed one of these until I read your thread. My grandmother was from Nova Scotia, that's enough rationalization for me.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 10:02:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By RebelRouser:
Originally Posted By Augee:


What's the MG on the lower right corner there?

Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s?

~Augee


7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW.


So not AR based, though?

~Augee

http://www.coltcanada.com/lsw-page.htm
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:20:42 AM
Originally Posted By RebelRouser:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By RebelRouser:
Originally Posted By Augee:


What's the MG on the lower right corner there?

Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s?

~Augee


7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW.


So not AR based, though?

~Augee

http://www.coltcanada.com/lsw-page.htm


Sorry, was talking about the chain-gun still. Knew about the LSW.

Colt developed a series of machine guns based on the AR action called the CMG in the sixties for aircraft mounting. Can't seem to find good internet pics at the moment, but I believe many are in the Reed Knight collection.

My understanding is that the idea is long long since dead.

Was just confirming the Diemaco wasn't still toying with the idea.

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Posted: 1/5/2012 3:20:57 AM
Originally Posted By RebelRouser:
Originally Posted By imdBman:
Originally Posted By stoner63a:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg

Soon to be a C8FTHB using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc

Where do you get a replica Simon Sleeve????



tacord.com


I lived in Newmarket for about 4 months in 2002... never new about tacord until now.
I'll save my thoughts on the people who can spend any amount of dollars on a rifle but can't devote 20 minutes to getting their body in shape for another thread. -skinnysarge79
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Posted: 1/9/2012 11:39:15 PM
I've done 3 of the variations, C8FTHB, C7A2, and C8, parts hard to come by but have a spare simon sleeve.
The trick is to get the Proper Diemaco Devteck marked upper, the lowers can be engraved to match. As for the C8FTHB or Special Forces Weapon, the real trick is that the barrel it not the standard 16" but 15.8", and then there is the sleeve. I've had them machined as you can't buy that profile stock. Then you are in need of the Hammer Forged barrels, and Triad to be proper.
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Posted: 1/10/2012 2:05:54 AM
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Originally Posted By iaincnclaw:
I've done 3 of the variations, C8FTHB, C7A2, and C8, parts hard to come by but have a spare simon sleeve.
The trick is to get the Proper Diemaco Devteck marked upper, the lowers can be engraved to match. As for the C8FTHB or Special Forces Weapon, the real trick is that the barrel it not the standard 16" but 15.8", and then there is the sleeve. I've had them machined as you can't buy that profile stock. Then you are in need of the Hammer Forged barrels, and Triad to be proper.


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Posted: 1/10/2012 12:14:16 PM
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Originally Posted By MikeE23666:
Originally Posted By RebelRouser:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/diemacosights.jpg
Here's a picture of the ultra rare metal trial BUIS vs. the issued plastic sight.


How rare are they? And what sort of mount is under the FSB? I really like this configuration, I found this pic on the web. I am thinking of doing something just like this for my girlfriend's rifle I am gathering parts for now.
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj322/MikeFL74/CIMG0031.jpg




Funny enough this C7A2 is mine, don't know how that got out there! Wasn't finished yet but now have all the parts in place. I'll post other pics later today or so.
You can see the Triad Diemaco rail under the FSB.
I put the KAS on my SFW, better setup but not exactly correct: the CF troops liked it better but Knight's coultn't supply enought with most going to the US contract. Still the KAS is correct for most SFW variants and is part of the Colt/Diemaco package.
This C7 has an orriginal 20 hammer forged barrel by Diemaco, very scarce, and noticeably heavier than my Colt's. I have to say it seems to shoot more precisely but that could just be the weight keeping the muzzle down?? They claim the hammer forged barrels will outlast those button formed: ie Colt's process. This one is midlife use, shot a bunch of full auto at the range with the CF before retired, rifling still looks brand new!
The C7 also has a finer FSpost. This one is made to represent the upgrade going on now in the CForces: Green furniture, 4pos stock/buttpad, H2 buffer, Triad, ambi selector- mag catch- and charging handle, C2 Elcan with green cover, cadpat sling.


Here's a pic of the lowers


Here's a taclatch


Here's a Devtek BCG


Here's one of my uppers used



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Posted: 1/10/2012 8:38:36 PM
I thought that rifle looked familiar. If any one wants to know those are the Dlask engraved lowers. Dlask.com
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Posted: 1/11/2012 1:57:28 AM
Here's my take on these so far:
C7A2




CF fine FSpost

Ambi selector, Devtek upper

Green furniture which works out not to be Colt's OD but more a forest green

Cadex folding grip and proper Cadex rail upgrade, detail of the Triad mount

Thermold Mag CF marked, still advertised as the Diemaco style mag but the CF has gone to the Steel mags, the Thermolds tended to have the feed lips break.
Diemaco Ambi mag catch, Devtek marked but otherwise a copy of the Norgon

C8FTHB, also called SFW, waiting on finished 15.8 barrel to mount KAS. This one is a 1" profile stainless HBar under the grips, it should be 21.5mm tapering to 18.2mm at the FSB

Proper oversized stowage grip by Lonestar

CF fine front site post for longer range engagment

Diemaco textured fibrelite stock and rubber buttpad, is different than Colts


Diemaco Ambi charging lever

Simon sleeve

C8, waiting on colts 14.5 pencil .625 profile barrel to correct, and need to delete the handguard lower rail and add a Triad


Diemaco specific siteguard

So there you go. As always the fun is in the hunt once you know what to look for

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Posted: 1/11/2012 8:07:40 AM
Ok I believe you! Excellent pica and rifles.
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Posted: 1/11/2012 9:00:32 AM
Originally Posted By iaincnclaw:
Here's my take on these so far:
C7A2
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/001.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/003.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/004.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/005.jpg
CF fine FSpost
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/010.jpg
Ambi selector, Devtek upper
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/006.jpg
Green furniture which works out not to be Colt's OD but more a forest green
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/008.jpg
Cadex folding grip and proper Cadex rail upgrade, detail of the Triad mount
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/007.jpg
Thermold Mag CF marked, still advertised as the Diemaco style mag but the CF has gone to the Steel mags, the Thermolds tended to have the feed lips break.
Diemaco Ambi mag catch, Devtek marked but otherwise a copy of the Norgon
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/009.jpg
C8FTHB, also called SFW, waiting on finished 15.8 barrel to mount KAS. This one is a 1" profile stainless HBar under the grips, it should be 21.5mm tapering to 18.2mm at the FSB
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/013.jpg
Proper oversized stowage grip by Lonestar
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/014.jpg
CF fine front site post for longer range engagment
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/015.jpg
Diemaco textured fibrelite stock and rubber buttpad, is different than Colts
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/016.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/012.jpg
Diemaco Ambi charging lever
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/017.jpg
Simon sleeve
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/018.jpg
C8, waiting on colts 14.5 pencil .625 profile barrel to correct, and need to delete the handguard lower rail and add a Triad
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/019.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/021.jpg
Diemaco specific siteguard
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/020.jpg
So there you go. As always the fun is in the hunt once you know what to look for





~Augee
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Posted: 1/11/2012 6:36:53 PM

Originally Posted By iaincnclaw:
Here's my take on these so far:
C7A2
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/001.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/003.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/004.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/005.jpg
CF fine FSpost
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/010.jpg
Ambi selector, Devtek upper
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/006.jpg
Green furniture which works out not to be Colt's OD but more a forest green
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/008.jpg
Cadex folding grip and proper Cadex rail upgrade, detail of the Triad mount
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/007.jpg
Thermold Mag CF marked, still advertised as the Diemaco style mag but the CF has gone to the Steel mags, the Thermolds tended to have the feed lips break.
Diemaco Ambi mag catch, Devtek marked but otherwise a copy of the Norgon
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/009.jpg
C8FTHB, also called SFW, waiting on finished 15.8 barrel to mount KAS. This one is a 1" profile stainless HBar under the grips, it should be 21.5mm tapering to 18.2mm at the FSB
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/013.jpg
Proper oversized stowage grip by Lonestar
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/014.jpg
CF fine front site post for longer range engagment
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/015.jpg
Diemaco textured fibrelite stock and rubber buttpad, is different than Colts
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/016.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/012.jpg
Diemaco Ambi charging lever
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/017.jpg
Simon sleeve
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/018.jpg
C8, waiting on colts 14.5 pencil .625 profile barrel to correct, and need to delete the handguard lower rail and add a Triad
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/019.jpg
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/021.jpg
Diemaco specific siteguard
http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac301/IAINCNCLAW/C7%20SFW%20C8%20project/020.jpg
So there you go. As always the fun is in the hunt once you know what to look for


You win!

Has Colt-Canada gone to the castlenut style lower receiver lock ring vs the old CAR spanner wrench lock ring?
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Posted: 1/11/2012 6:38:51 PM
iancnclaw, very nice rifles, good job.

I'd heard about the Dlask lowers and thought they were supposed to good clones but that engraving looks terrible. C7 isn't centered like it should be.

.625" 14.5" barrel isn't correct for a C8. Diemaco used a lightweight profile with a .750" gas block that came from the XM4 project and AFAIK the C8 is only production rifle to use that particular profile.
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Ah so, you learn something every day, got any specs on that? Would like to see a pic of that profile. My research suggested 14.5 A1 profile used orrginally, not thinking of the C8A3 which uses the A2 profile?
As for the Dlask engraving, I had them do that custom, now Joseph tells me he's had other orders. Biggest problem is that they're not laser engraved, so the line look is too fat.
Still, better than not at all...
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Posted: 1/12/2012 11:21:16 AM
XM4 Barrel Profiles:




I've always wanted to do an RO720 clone with the center profile:






Given the other projects I want to do like RO723 and 727 clones, I doubt it will ever come to pass, as it wouldn't really offer me much different than an RO727 - and it would be more costly, as I'd have to get a Colt barrel re-profiled.

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Posted: 1/12/2012 9:29:39 PM
Is the Triad available commercially at all? They seem to be almost rarer than hen`s teeth. I`d like to try one on one of my rifles.
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Posted: 1/13/2012 12:42:37 PM
I don't think so, military only via CADEX but they have a variant:
.http://cadexdefence.com/Tri_rail_mount.html
You usually find them for sale on the EE, if at all.
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Posted: 1/13/2012 1:44:41 PM
Originally Posted By iaincnclaw:
I don't think so, military only via CADEX but they have a variant:
.http://cadexdefence.com/Tri_rail_mount.html
You usually find them for sale on the EE, if at all.


IIRC, TNVC has a dealership with CADEX. They carry some of their stuff. For us U.S. folks, you might try and start with Vic?

~Augee
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