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Posted: 12/15/2011 10:37:21 AM EDT
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A C-7 was my first build and I still have a couple. They work great for a SHTF and /or "truck" gun. Accurate enough for coyotes out to 200 yards with the issue iron sights and very reliable, a good KISS gun. Yours looks nice, congratulations....<><....:)
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Shhh! Don't tell, OK.
I have an old Colt 3X scope that more often than not goes on top when I shoot this rifle. This one isn't used as a hunting rifle, it is a fun shooter, but with that scope in place it will hold its own! |
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Nice C7. I like them. They have lots ofg historic value. It was used for th Canadian forces and the SAS.
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I've been thinking of giving the full C7 treatment to my A1 clone built on a C7 upper.
How close is the CS stock to the US A1 stock? A2's are a bit long for me. |
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I've been thinking of giving the full C7 treatment to my A1 clone built on a C7 upper. How close is the CS stock to the US A1 stock? A2's are a bit long for me. It's A1 length with a A2 butt plate and door. |
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I like 'em! Photos of mine and a litte info is below: In the spirit of "spare parts turning into complete rifles", I completed a replica of the often overlooked, early-style, Canadin Forces C7. I built it on an 80% lower that I completed, had engraved, and anodized myself. For those not familiar with the C7, here is some info: - The upper is like the A2 except it used a A1 style rear sight. I had an A2 upper I traded for this C7 style upper. It was black, I stripped it and anodized it in gray - The Canadian Forces have three stock lengths. The short stock like mine is embossed "CS" on the right side. The normal length is the standard A2 stock. The long option uses a spacer for added length. - The "CS" stock is somewhat hard to come by. I have forum member "Undertaker" to thank for this one. He traded me for some "brown mottled" stock refinishing work. - The trapdoor on the C7 stock is supposedly different than the A2 trapdoor (easier to open). I don't have any details on this, so if anyone can share some information, it would be appreciated. - The lower is correctly marked "S", "R", and "AUTO". The C7 uses "AUTO" instead of the A2's "BURST" feature. My replica is obviously semi-auto only. The engraving is cosmetic only. - Originally, a special thermold magazine was used. The correct ones are embossed with the Canadian maple leaf. - The C7 sling is somewhat different than then standard silent sling used by the US. I have one of these C7 slings on the rifle now. So, if you have some A2 parts laying around, consider building a C7. It's an easy, relatively low-cost, build. Especially if you go with the standard A2 buttstock, which is also correct. Thanks for looking, John Thomas http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/9.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/11.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/12.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/13.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/14.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/15.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/16.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/17.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/18.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/19.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/20.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/Canadian%20C7/21.jpg A thing of beauty! Thanks for sharing. |
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Kind of on the same lines, or at least the C7 was a source of inspiration. This particular weapon was a Colt A1 with FNMI A2 1:7 barrel, on a Spikes "Jolly Roger", Armalite OD furniture, and CavArms A1 stock. Was made as a truck gun, and was super light. Shouldn't have sold it but I saw something shiny :) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/A1%20truck%20gun/P1197301.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/A1%20truck%20gun/P1197332.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/A1%20truck%20gun/P1247398.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/A1%20truck%20gun/P1257404.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/A1%20truck%20gun/P1257407.jpg I thought I was the only person in the world with a rail on an A1 or C7 type 20" upper. |
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I've been thinking of giving the full C7 treatment to my A1 clone built on a C7 upper. How close is the CS stock to the US A1 stock? A2's are a bit long for me. It's A1 length with a A2 butt plate and door. Thanks for the reply. I can live with that much inaccuracy (heck I used a C7 upper on my A1 build ). Have some A2 grips around, may scrounge some A2 handguards to give this thing a different look. |
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I like 'em! Photos of mine and a litte info is below: In the spirit of "spare parts turning into complete rifles", I completed a replica of the often overlooked, early-style, Canadin Forces C7. I built it on an 80% lower that I completed, had engraved, and anodized myself. For those not familiar with the C7, here is some info: - The upper is like the A2 except it used a A1 style rear sight. I had an A2 upper I traded for this C7 style upper. It was black, I stripped it and anodized it in gray - The Canadian Forces have three stock lengths. The short stock like mine is embossed "CS" on the right side. The normal length is the standard A2 stock. The long option uses a spacer for added length. - The trapdoor on the C7 stock is supposedly different than the A2 trapdoor (easier to open). I don't have any details on this, so if anyone can share some information, it would be appreciated. - The lower is correctly marked "S", "R", and "AUTO". The C7 uses "AUTO" instead of the A2's "BURST" feature. My replica is obviously semi-auto only. The engraving is cosmetic only. - Originally, a special thermold magazine was used. The correct ones are embossed with the Canadian maple leaf. Thanks for looking, John Thomas Where did you obtain a Canadian Mag?? I would like a few for my C7 build, oh and BTW great job on that 80% lower, I love the maple leaf logo........ |
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/diemacosights.jpg Here's a picture of the ultra rare metal trial BUIS vs. the issued plastic sight. Yeah, I'm using a Daniel Defense fixed BUIS on my A2. It is a basic copy of the Canadian sight in aluminum and using a slotted securing screw in place of the thumbscrew. Good stuff! |
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I like 'em! Photos of mine and a litte info is below: In the spirit of "spare parts turning into complete rifles", I completed a replica of the often overlooked, early-style, Canadin Forces C7. I built it on an 80% lower that I completed, had engraved, and anodized myself. For those not familiar with the C7, here is some info: - The upper is like the A2 except it used a A1 style rear sight. I had an A2 upper I traded for this C7 style upper. It was black, I stripped it and anodized it in gray - The Canadian Forces have three stock lengths. The short stock like mine is embossed "CS" on the right side. The normal length is the standard A2 stock. The long option uses a spacer for added length. - The trapdoor on the C7 stock is supposedly different than the A2 trapdoor (easier to open). I don't have any details on this, so if anyone can share some information, it would be appreciated. - The lower is correctly marked "S", "R", and "AUTO". The C7 uses "AUTO" instead of the A2's "BURST" feature. My replica is obviously semi-auto only. The engraving is cosmetic only. - Originally, a special thermold magazine was used. The correct ones are embossed with the Canadian maple leaf. Thanks for looking, John Thomas Where did you obtain a Canadian Mag?? I would like a few for my C7 build, oh and BTW great job on that 80% lower, I love the maple leaf logo........ The mag came from a seller on gunbroker.com |
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I like 'em! Photos of mine and a litte info is below: In the spirit of "spare parts turning into complete rifles", I completed a replica of the often overlooked, early-style, Canadin Forces C7. I built it on an 80% lower that I completed, had engraved, and anodized myself. For those not familiar with the C7, here is some info: - The upper is like the A2 except it used a A1 style rear sight. I had an A2 upper I traded for this C7 style upper. It was black, I stripped it and anodized it in gray - The Canadian Forces have three stock lengths. The short stock like mine is embossed "CS" on the right side. The normal length is the standard A2 stock. The long option uses a spacer for added length. - The trapdoor on the C7 stock is supposedly different than the A2 trapdoor (easier to open). I don't have any details on this, so if anyone can share some information, it would be appreciated. - The lower is correctly marked "S", "R", and "AUTO". The C7 uses "AUTO" instead of the A2's "BURST" feature. My replica is obviously semi-auto only. The engraving is cosmetic only. - Originally, a special thermold magazine was used. The correct ones are embossed with the Canadian maple leaf. Thanks for looking, John Thomas Where did you obtain a Canadian Mag?? I would like a few for my C7 build, oh and BTW great job on that 80% lower, I love the maple leaf logo........ The mag came from a seller on gunbroker.com Now I'm not going to suggest that if Operation "Fast and Furious" can allow guns into Mexico that the occasional magazine may fall across the border from Canada,,, What I would say is that should you really want one, they aren't that hard to find. |
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I like 'em! Photos of mine and a litte info is below: In the spirit of "spare parts turning into complete rifles", I completed a replica of the often overlooked, early-style, Canadin Forces C7. I built it on an 80% lower that I completed, had engraved, and anodized myself. For those not familiar with the C7, here is some info: - The upper is like the A2 except it used a A1 style rear sight. I had an A2 upper I traded for this C7 style upper. It was black, I stripped it and anodized it in gray - The Canadian Forces have three stock lengths. The short stock like mine is embossed "CS" on the right side. The normal length is the standard A2 stock. The long option uses a spacer for added length. - The trapdoor on the C7 stock is supposedly different than the A2 trapdoor (easier to open). I don't have any details on this, so if anyone can share some information, it would be appreciated. - The lower is correctly marked "S", "R", and "AUTO". The C7 uses "AUTO" instead of the A2's "BURST" feature. My replica is obviously semi-auto only. The engraving is cosmetic only. - Originally, a special thermold magazine was used. The correct ones are embossed with the Canadian maple leaf. Thanks for looking, John Thomas Where did you obtain a Canadian Mag?? I would like a few for my C7 build, oh and BTW great job on that 80% lower, I love the maple leaf logo........ The mag came from a seller on gunbroker.com Now I'm not going to suggest that if Operation "Fast and Furious" can allow guns into Mexico that the occasional magazine may fall across the border from Canada,,, What I would say is that should you really want one, they aren't that hard to find. Already in the works....... LMAO at Operation fast and furious, I loved how that blew up in the BATFE's face. |
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/diemacosights.jpg Here's a picture of the ultra rare metal trial BUIS vs. the issued plastic sight. How rare are they? And what sort of mount is under the FSB? I really like this configuration, I found this pic on the web. I am thinking of doing something just like this for my girlfriend's rifle I am gathering parts for now. |
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I'll have my C8 / IDF clone by Mid Jan.
I'll be sure to post it here |
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I don't have any photos handy, but I've got one rifle thats a plain old C7 clone and another that sort of resembles one.
The first one is a standard A2 lower, A2 Gov't profile barrel, flash hider, hand-guards, on an A1/C7 upper. The second one is essentially the same as the first, but with a slick-side "604" style A1 upper and a flat slip-ring. Basically a "parts gun" with what I had left over from other builds. |
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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg Soon to be a C8FTHB using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc Very nice! |
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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg Soon to be a C8FTHB using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc Where do you get a replica Simon Sleeve???? |
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1940.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1939.jpg What's the MG on the lower right corner there? Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s? ~Augee |
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1940.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1939.jpg What's the MG on the lower right corner there? Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s? ~Augee 7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW. |
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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg Soon to be a C8FTHB using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc Where do you get a replica Simon Sleeve???? tacord.com |
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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg Soon to be a C8SFW using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc To improve upon these: http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/C8SFWC7A2A-1.jpg I have a 1984 Canadian Bombardier Command and Recce Iltis that I drive in local parades and display at the local airshows. Looks hinkey to me to have a EAC and Stag AR lowers displayed with the rest of the kit being perfect. I did a horse-trade with Braceman for the above C8 lower, hope to get the C7 engraved next month. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/TerrorTwins.jpg http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/ISAF6.jpg http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/ISAF11.jpg Where did you get the lower engraved? That's awesome. |
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1940.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1939.jpg What's the MG on the lower right corner there? Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s? ~Augee 7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW. So not AR based, though? ~Augee |
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I didn't even know I needed one of these until I read your thread. My grandmother was from Nova Scotia, that's enough rationalization for me.
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1940.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1939.jpg What's the MG on the lower right corner there? Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s? ~Augee 7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW. So not AR based, though? ~Augee http://www.coltcanada.com/lsw-page.htm |
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1940.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/DSCN1939.jpg What's the MG on the lower right corner there? Is that just thrown in there, or is it an AR-patterend MG like the old CMG-1s? ~Augee 7.62mm chain gun. They still build the LSW. So not AR based, though? ~Augee http://www.coltcanada.com/lsw-page.htm Sorry, was talking about the chain-gun still. Knew about the LSW. Colt developed a series of machine guns based on the AR action called the CMG in the sixties for aircraft mounting. Can't seem to find good internet pics at the moment, but I believe many are in the Reed Knight collection. My understanding is that the idea is long long since dead. Was just confirming the Diemaco wasn't still toying with the idea. ~Augee |
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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/BracemanC8.jpg Soon to be a C8FTHB using an Armalite 1/7 chrome-lined medium contour barrel with replica Simon Sleeve, original Diemaco BUIS and Triad "pitchfork", KAC UK RAS, fiberite stock, etc Where do you get a replica Simon Sleeve???? tacord.com I lived in Newmarket for about 4 months in 2002... never new about tacord until now. |
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I've done 3 of the variations, C8FTHB, C7A2, and C8, parts hard to come by but have a spare simon sleeve.
The trick is to get the Proper Diemaco Devteck marked upper, the lowers can be engraved to match. As for the C8FTHB or Special Forces Weapon, the real trick is that the barrel it not the standard 16" but 15.8", and then there is the sleeve. I've had them machined as you can't buy that profile stock. Then you are in need of the Hammer Forged barrels, and Triad to be proper. |
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I've done 3 of the variations, C8FTHB, C7A2, and C8, parts hard to come by but have a spare simon sleeve. The trick is to get the Proper Diemaco Devteck marked upper, the lowers can be engraved to match. As for the C8FTHB or Special Forces Weapon, the real trick is that the barrel it not the standard 16" but 15.8", and then there is the sleeve. I've had them machined as you can't buy that profile stock. Then you are in need of the Hammer Forged barrels, and Triad to be proper. I will not believe you till I see pics! |
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/Rebel05/diemacosights.jpg Here's a picture of the ultra rare metal trial BUIS vs. the issued plastic sight. How rare are they? And what sort of mount is under the FSB? I really like this configuration, I found this pic on the web. I am thinking of doing something just like this for my girlfriend's rifle I am gathering parts for now. http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj322/MikeFL74/CIMG0031.jpg Funny enough this C7A2 is mine, don't know how that got out there! Wasn't finished yet but now have all the parts in place. I'll post other pics later today or so. You can see the Triad Diemaco rail under the FSB. I put the KAS on my SFW, better setup but not exactly correct: the CF troops liked it better but Knight's coultn't supply enought with most going to the US contract. Still the KAS is correct for most SFW variants and is part of the Colt/Diemaco package. This C7 has an orriginal 20 hammer forged barrel by Diemaco, very scarce, and noticeably heavier than my Colt's. I have to say it seems to shoot more precisely but that could just be the weight keeping the muzzle down?? They claim the hammer forged barrels will outlast those button formed: ie Colt's process. This one is midlife use, shot a bunch of full auto at the range with the CF before retired, rifling still looks brand new! The C7 also has a finer FSpost. This one is made to represent the upgrade going on now in the CForces: Green furniture, 4pos stock/buttpad, H2 buffer, Triad, ambi selector- mag catch- and charging handle, C2 Elcan with green cover, cadpat sling. Here's a pic of the lowers Here's a taclatch Here's a Devtek BCG Here's one of my uppers used |
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I thought that rifle looked familiar. If any one wants to know those are the Dlask engraved lowers. Dlask.com
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iancnclaw, very nice rifles, good job.
I'd heard about the Dlask lowers and thought they were supposed to good clones but that engraving looks terrible. C7 isn't centered like it should be. .625" 14.5" barrel isn't correct for a C8. Diemaco used a lightweight profile with a .750" gas block that came from the XM4 project and AFAIK the C8 is only production rifle to use that particular profile. |
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Ah so, you learn something every day, got any specs on that? Would like to see a pic of that profile. My research suggested 14.5 A1 profile used orrginally, not thinking of the C8A3 which uses the A2 profile?
As for the Dlask engraving, I had them do that custom, now Joseph tells me he's had other orders. Biggest problem is that they're not laser engraved, so the line look is too fat. Still, better than not at all... |
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Is the Triad available commercially at all? They seem to be almost rarer than hen`s teeth. I`d like to try one on one of my rifles.
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I don't think so, military only via CADEX but they have a variant:
.http://cadexdefence.com/Tri_rail_mount.html You usually find them for sale on the EE, if at all. |
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I don't think so, military only via CADEX but they have a variant: .http://cadexdefence.com/Tri_rail_mount.html You usually find them for sale on the EE, if at all. IIRC, TNVC has a dealership with CADEX. They carry some of their stuff. For us U.S. folks, you might try and start with Vic? ~Augee |
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