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Posted: 8/12/2012 3:13:28 PM
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TCBA_Joe
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Posted: 8/12/2012 3:58:03 PM
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They do not have the same piston system and bolt. At one point Sig copied the bolt carrier design, but since then they have revamped it and it is significantly different. Their oprod systems are of wholly different designs.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 4:14:38 PM
Thanks for your input. So, what is your recommendation/opinion?
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Posted: 8/12/2012 4:21:26 PM
Hello,
I own a 516 and an Adams Arms upper w/ spikes lower. Almost bought a LWRC M6A2, which I could have had if i had not bought both rifles. Here is the thing, LWRC is the BEST piston on the market(HK/ and Christian arms are toooo expensive). Period. I have never fired one and i don't have too after reading the volumes I have read on the rifle. The fit and finish are fantastic, the trigger is almost perfect, the piston system on the rifles has been tried/ tested, and the materials used are top notch. The best part is that you can have a LWRC dealer order you a custom rifle for your needs. EX: a 14.7 barrel with any pinned flash hider of your choice and pick your color combo to match. Now, if i could do it all over would I buy a LWRC? Nope. No way, you can get a "good enough" rifle for less money and the Sig is just that. I highly recommend that if you do buy a Sig, you make sure its the newest gen II recently produced in the last few months. Sig through me for a loop by changing their gas block and piston head. This weapon is the real deal. The purchase of the 516 buy the Thai Navy SEALs speaks to its performance. For the money, it is the best. Don't limit yourself though, I love my Adams Arms rifle as well. Take a look at Adams Arms, Huldra, or CORE15. Those guys have some really good rifle. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 5:10:43 PM
LWRC M6A2. Been shooting LWRC since 2009, and love the quality, reliability, ease of maintenance...or lack of maintenance. Excellent machines from a good company. No experience with the Sig, but they kinda got off on the wrong foot with LWRC owners anyway!
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Posted: 8/12/2012 5:29:15 PM
My favorite AR is the PWS. The piston is AK based and my 2 MK114s are my GT weapons and I can and do highly recommend them
However, IMO, the current low prices for the Gen 2 Sig 516 are an outright bargain. The difference is not $600.00 not for a comparable LWRC with magpul stock and grip with back up sites and rail covers it is more like a $1,000.00 difference (The $600.00 difference is with the stripped down LWRC version) No question LWRC is a wonderful gun but IMO, the Sig lower is superior with built in QD, ambi mag release and a neat spring set up to mate the upper tight. I had a 1st generation 516 and put over 3K rounds without a single FT anything 100% reliable. A deputy friend talked me out of it and a couple weeks ago i could not resist and bought a Gen2. If you are looking to join a Choir buy an LWRC or HK where you can sing to fellow like minded owners about how smart you are and how much better your toy is but if you want a piston AR that is as functional and accurate as any you can buy for a lot less money the Sig is the best value. Heck with 2 PWS MK114s I had no reason to buy the Sig 516 but it was just too good a deal to pass. Actually, so is the  308 version Sig AR, the 716 and yes, I am weak, can't resist a deal, i bought one of them and it arrives Monday or Tuesday.
There are many finely built AR piston (and DI) guns but at this time the best value dollar for dollar is the Sig 516 
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arcticwarrior
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Posted: 8/12/2012 6:35:59 PM
I loved my LWRC while I had it. It was a heavy bugger though. I sold it to get a HOGAN and never looked back. My Hogan is a finely tuned machine that I am more than happy with.
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lotsagas4u
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Posted: 8/12/2012 8:29:59 PM
My dealer called Friday, my FDE 516 is waiting for me, hope to get it tomorrow.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 9:25:16 PM
Sig is nice but not really apples to apples comparison imho
Spare parts will be an issue LWRC passed the SEAL OTB test, Sig did not It's a finely balanced firearm and I like it but if price was a concern, you could have looked at the m6 sl the piston, bolt, barrel are far superior in the lwrc. |
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Posted: 8/13/2012 12:19:21 AM
Personally, I can confirm that the 2nd gen of 516's that are out now are top notch in quality (easier removable gas piston regulator valve so you don't have to worry about carbon build up on the gas piston block threading, the newer iron sights are made better, the lowers are engraved instead of printed, the milling marks are not visible on the bolt carrier), and the provide the best bang for your buck for a carbine length AR.
The big question is: Do you personally prefer a carbine length or a mid-length rail? After shooting with my 516 carbine length rail for over a year, I learned that I prefer a mid-length rail. LWRC rails don't get that hot either. Some people prefer carbine length over mid length so it's completely a personal preference. If I could do it all over again, I'd go for the M6A2 SPR (I wish they made these with the new billet lowers with ambi bolt hold/release though like the M6-IC). I do prefer the QD attachment further back right over the castle nut on the LWRC instead of on the lower on the SIG 516 because it allows for more clearance for the safety selector switch when running a QD sling. If you go 516, that's 600-800 bucks you can spend for good optics and upgrades. If you've already got optics covered, then get the LWRC M6A2 SPR model while you can especially if you prefer a mid-length AR. Holding the LWRC M6A2 SPR just feels like it was put together perfectly with no loose ends, and it feels very comfortable (more comfortable to hold than the 516). You may want to consider a Barret REC7 (available in mid-length also). It has the most robust gas piston setup out of all of the AR's on the market as it resembles the AK's gas piston system that closest and it's priced right in between the SIG 516 and the LWRC M6A2 and it's worth every penny. |
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Posted: 8/13/2012 7:19:26 AM
Rutger,
When was this OTB test conducted? I heard that LWRC passed one, but I also heard Sig passed with ease as well. Can you post the link? Thanks! |
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lotsagas4u
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Posted: 8/13/2012 7:22:20 AM
I have noticed the prices dropping on the Rec 7, made me wonder what was going on with that. Then I saw a youtube video, Barrett himself said there are big changes coming to the Rec 7 line of rifles. Clearing out inventory maybe?
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Posted: 8/13/2012 8:55:14 AM
Originally Posted By Darith:
Personally, I can confirm that the 2nd gen of 516's that are out now are top notch in quality (easier removable gas piston regulator valve so you don't have to worry about carbon build up on the gas piston block threading, the newer iron sights are made better, the lowers are engraved instead of printed, the milling marks are not visible on the bolt carrier), and the provide the best bang for your buck for a carbine length AR. The big question is: Do you personally prefer a carbine length or a mid-length rail? After shooting with my 516 carbine length rail for over a year, I learned that I prefer a mid-length rail. LWRC rails don't get that hot either. Some people prefer carbine length over mid length so it's completely a personal preference. If I could do it all over again, I'd go for the M6A2 SPR (I wish they made these with the new billet lowers with ambi bolt hold/release though like the M6-IC). I do prefer the QD attachment further back right over the castle nut on the LWRC instead of on the lower on the SIG 516 because it allows for more clearance for the safety selector switch when running a QD sling. If you go 516, that's 600-800 bucks you can spend for good optics and upgrades. If you've already got optics covered, then get the LWRC M6A2 SPR model while you can especially if you prefer a mid-length AR. Holding the LWRC M6A2 SPR just feels like it was put together perfectly with no loose ends, and it feels very comfortable (more comfortable to hold than the 516). You may want to consider a Barret REC7 (available in mid-length also). It has the most robust gas piston setup out of all of the AR's on the market as it resembles the AK's gas piston system that closest and it's priced right in between the SIG 516 and the LWRC M6A2 and it's worth every penny. Good points. I too really like the Barret REC 7 and the LWRC SPR and almost bought both of them. Someone hit the Buy it Now for the deal i wanted on the REC 7 and as mentioned they are updating so perhaps i would later have I want newer and that old REC 7 feelings. I was close to ordering the LWRC SPR but the best delivered price I could get was $2300.00. I decided to get the second PWS MK114 a 2 stage Geissele trigger and an EOTech and still had money short of 2300 for more ammo. The PWS is an AK style mid length system and having 10 years of Daewoo DR200 ownership I know how well that idea works and my main Go To PWS is flawless (but then so was my 1st 516) The LWRC does not get as hot on mag dumps, That is true and it sure is a fantastic gun. I use vertical front grips so the heat is a non issue for me but one who does not should consider that heat build up. This is like comparing high end sports cars. They have differences but we are talking quality reliable accurate guns and all of these are worth having This day as we type the Sig 516 is the best (IMO) dollar for dollar AR available. Who knows if that will be so next month Wulfmann |
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Posted: 8/13/2012 9:30:53 AM
I had wondered about heat on the PWS, Wulf, and wasn't sure what to expect. I want to try one of their little 12.5 uppers, but I'm not a mag dumper either. Doubt that it would be a problem for me.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 1:29:36 PM
Originally Posted By TECHUSMC:
Rutger, When was this OTB test conducted? I heard that LWRC passed one, but I also heard Sig passed with ease as well. Can you post the link? Thanks! it was 08 09 area and sig did not. only one other rifle passed...hk i will see if i can find it Rec 7, definitely on my short list. I absolutely want one and a nice robust system with quality parts to boot. Barret is a great company that prides itself on quality. I have not handled the pws but the people that own them like them alot. That does say alot to me. I'm not sold on the ak style piston as we now know from the stan and iraq, they've had breakage issues as well and the lore of 'always going bang' has been refuted. Anything mechanical can break 
Adams Arms also gets high marks by it's users however, I don't think you can beat the lwrc as it's proven and had undergone numerous testing. |
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Posted: 8/13/2012 6:44:41 PM
Originally Posted By nineisfine:
I had wondered about heat on the PWS, Wulf, and wasn't sure what to expect. I want to try one of their little 12.5 uppers, but I'm not a mag dumper either. Doubt that it would be a problem for me. The reason heat transfers to the rail is it is connected. That is, it is not a free floating barrel. It is as accurate as any other piston so when someone says free floated order nicht, fine but ignorant. It does not get uncomfortable with a 30 round dump but it is noticeable. The reason this is a non issue is simple. the metal rails will scratch or even cut you so really none of us handle them without covers. Even with a 60 round dump (Did that only one time to test two attached mags back and forth quickly) the rail can still be held but it is hot. Would a 200 round dump make it un-holdable?? Maybe but then I use a vertical front grip so even that would not be an issue. While I make a logical argument why i bought a second PWS over the LWRC SPR and stand by it don't be surprised I ignore my own advice and get an SPR because too much money they may be but sweet as pie they are. The SPR and the REC 7 are the two I can't shake the "I want one" feeling over Wulfmann |
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Posted: 8/13/2012 7:20:56 PM
Love my LWRC.. But don't pay dealer pricing. Hop on gunbroker and buy a seperate Lower and Upper so you can save a couple hundred bucks. I saved $400 off of most every dealers price by pushing in two takedown pins myself.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 8:57:39 PM
This is my recently purchased FDE Gen2 SIG516. The quality is outstanding and it also feels good to save money. That being said an LWRC is also outstanding. You really can't go wrong with either one.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 9:08:58 PM
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Got my FDE, Gen 2, 516 today, quality is excellent, upper and lower are very tight, have to drive the take down pin out. The FDE finish is very smooth and blemish free. As said the bolt is very smooth, all parts fit well, and the lines are straight. The magazine fits well and falls free as it should. This rifle beats the shit out of any Colt and many others as far as fit and finish. I won't be able to shoot it until this weekend, I am very pleased with the rifle for what I paid for it.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 10:13:21 PM
Originally Posted By Aaron556:
This is my recently purchased FDE Gen2 SIG516. The quality is outstanding and it also feels good to save money. That being said an LWRC is also outstanding. You really can't go wrong with either one. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zb08EirOkwM/UAnCPjQFxWI/AAAAAAAACE0/RSTYJ8Pi9qA/s800/SIG516Eotech.jpg A that is an outstanding looking FDE rig.
My 716 arrives tomorrow and while it is OD I believe it is a black gun with an OD stock and grip. I wish it was done like yours color wise. 
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Posted: 8/16/2012 1:20:16 AM
Get the SIG. Both the 516 and 716 are outstanding rifles!!!!!!! You will NOT be disappointed!!
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Posted: 8/18/2012 10:45:48 PM
Took my FDE 516 out this afternoon, ran 100 rounds of American eagle 55 grain FMJ through it, used Pmags and a HK magazine. Did not have time for any accuracy shooting. I was popping cans and rocks in a tail water pit. Rifle had no problems, cycled through all mags and never missed a beat. I am very pleased with the rifle, may have to get a black one also.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 2:33:49 PM
I am a Sig lover, but I recently purchased an LWRC M6A2. Definitely made the right choice. It is a little more money, but the Ni-Corr barrel treatment, plated BCG, and low profile piston that is beautifully engineered make it well worth it. It is one sweet shooting AR, has easy recoil and stays on target, and shoots everything you put in it from day one.
I say LWRC! |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 2:42:16 PM
Originally Posted By LedHead:
I am a Sig lover, but I recently purchased an LWRC M6A2. Definitely made the right choice. It is a little more money, but the Ni-Corr barrel treatment, plated BCG, and low profile piston that is beautifully engineered make it well worth it. It is one sweet shooting AR, has easy recoil and stays on target, and shoots everything you put in it from day one. I say LWRC! The SPR's are even sweeter! |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 7:02:04 PM
Originally Posted By dogpile556:
Originally Posted By LedHead:
I am a Sig lover, but I recently purchased an LWRC M6A2. Definitely made the right choice. It is a little more money, but the Ni-Corr barrel treatment, plated BCG, and low profile piston that is beautifully engineered make it well worth it. It is one sweet shooting AR, has easy recoil and stays on target, and shoots everything you put in it from day one. I say LWRC! The SPR's are even sweeter! Stop teasing!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 11:11:42 PM
Originally Posted By LedHead:
Originally Posted By dogpile556:
Originally Posted By LedHead:
I am a Sig lover, but I recently purchased an LWRC M6A2. Definitely made the right choice. It is a little more money, but the Ni-Corr barrel treatment, plated BCG, and low profile piston that is beautifully engineered make it well worth it. It is one sweet shooting AR, has easy recoil and stays on target, and shoots everything you put in it from day one. I say LWRC! The SPR's are even sweeter! Stop teasing!!!!!!!!! Lighter weight, longer gas system........I'm usually tight with money, I bought two. |
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