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VitaminT
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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:58:59 PM

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Hi guys this might be my first post. I have been reading the piston forum for a while now and am trying to decide on the piston AR I want.

I am hoping maybe some of you can help point out some of the differences between them all and why one may be $1150 and other is $2600 and everwhere in between. I know some people prefer the looks of one or the rail on another but what all really varies the price that much.

I can get a Bushmaster MOE piston gun for $1149 locally and it seems like a good gun and comes with some magpul stuff but I don't know much about the piston system. I know it doesn't have an adjustable gas block (not sure it is a big deal if I don't get a supressor). I have some friends that have DI bushmasters and they seem to cycle fine without issues. For a bit more I can get a SR556 or maybe a SIG 516 or S&W PS, etc and then for about $1800 it seems I might be able to get a REC7. I like the gas block and BCG on the REC7 but it seems some of the rest is about the same as the $1149 gun.

Then there are the $2k+ guns like the LWRC A2 SPR which looks amazing. The one I handled seemed nice but I am not really an expert. I like the barrel and how it saves some weight and how they offer the 14.7" PA. I also am in love with the SPR forend, but that seems like a stupid reason to buy one over another.

Anyway I am lost in a sea of offerings. I am mainly buying the rifle to take to the range and to keep at the house. I do understand items that are made with quality and reliability and am making this purchase for the long term and just assume do it the first time (assuming there is a right).
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:52:40 AM
PWS-Enough Said
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:32:16 AM
For the money, I really like my Ruger.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:49:42 AM
I love my LWRC M6A2 and M6A3. Can't go wrong with LwRC for quality and craftsmanship. also look at the LMT Piston. One piece piston, rock solid and less money.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:30:16 PM
I'll throw Adams Arms out there. I have an AA Midlength Tactical Elite on a Mega forged lower and I love it. It eats any ammo I throw at it.

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Posted: 7/24/2012 2:37:14 PM
I currently own a couple of LWRC's and a LMT. They are all SBR's and they all have been 100% reliable to date. I prefer the LMT only due to the fact that it's easier to access the piston system for maintenance along with the fact that given it's their MRP line, I can swap to DI if I would choose to.

Here is a thread showing a listing for LMT Piston's for just over $1500.00..That's almost $400 under retail...

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Posted: 7/24/2012 3:46:18 PM
I've played wth a number of the current offering and own piston guns from a couple different sources. All have their strengths and weaknesses but they're all basically the same in that they replace a hollow gas tube with a solid push rod. In my experience, it seems all makes are pretty solid guns nowadays and it is hard to get a real turd from a reputable manufacturer. I know that's probably not much help if you're looking for recommendations on Brand A vs. Brand B, etc.

What kind of budget are you in? Is there anything specific, feature-wise, you're looking for in a piston gun? If you can give us some ideas about what you want maybe it will help us narrow the choices for you.



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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:57:50 AM
Guys I apreciate all the suggestions. I am trying to narrow down the features I want now.


  • I like how the piston/oprod on the REC7 seems to come out the front of the gas block if you turn the knob a 180, that design isn't a must just seemed especially easy to tear down.

  • I would really like to get one that has a 14.x" barrel with perm. flash hider as it seems to shorten the overall length of the gun.

  • Slim hand guard is a must. I am not sure if they get hot or not during normal operation, but I like how they handle.

  • Ambi controls would be awesome, but I can deal without them. The ones in pictures on the LWRC SPR IC look nice, but who knows when those will come out and you can get your hands on them.

  • If a standard front post sight gets in the way of optics then I would prefer a flat top gas block.



That's about all I can think of right now. For budget I am not opposed to spending in the $2500 range but would take a hard look at it compaired to the $1150 gun before I made the deal. I mean I guess it is a lot like 1911s. You can buy one for $700 or $2700, you have to pick the features, look, level of personal attention you want to pay for.

Obviously spiral fluted barrels, cerekote finish, and Geissele triggers run the price up. I just have to figure out how much those are worth to me.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 6:57:01 PM
id avoid paying 2k and have plenty of cash to get the features i want. thats the beauty of ar's, they're like legos for grown men. take the money you would save and buy a quality optic, a free float rail of our choice, the furniture you want and all the bells and whistles you can think of and you still probably wont be spending as much as a 2k+ rifle alone.

for whats it's worth i have an Adams Arms upper on a rock river lower i built and love it, no problems and worth every penny. built to fire for 860, at about 1800 now fully loaded.

however the next piston rifle i buy will be a Sig 556 hands down...i'am really considering the pistol version though

good luck with whatever you wind up getting
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Posted: 7/25/2012 9:58:10 PM
Originally Posted By VitaminT:
Guys I apreciate all the suggestions. I am trying to narrow down the features I want now.


  • I like how the piston/oprod on the REC7 seems to come out the front of the gas block if you turn the knob a 180, that design isn't a must just seemed especially easy to tear down.

  • I would really like to get one that has a 14.x" barrel with perm. flash hider as it seems to shorten the overall length of the gun.

  • Slim hand guard is a must. I am not sure if they get hot or not during normal operation, but I like how they handle.

  • Ambi controls would be awesome, but I can deal without them. The ones in pictures on the LWRC SPR IC look nice, but who knows when those will come out and you can get your hands on them.

  • If a standard front post sight gets in the way of optics then I would prefer a flat top gas block.



That's about all I can think of right now. For budget I am not opposed to spending in the $2500 range but would take a hard look at it compaired to the $1150 gun before I made the deal. I mean I guess it is a lot like 1911s. You can buy one for $700 or $2700, you have to pick the features, look, level of personal attention you want to pay for.

Obviously spiral fluted barrels, cerekote finish, and Geissele triggers run the price up. I just have to figure out how much those are worth to me.


SPR all the way, even the cerekoted ones are less than 25 new. I have and LOVE 2 black ones. A 16 & a 14.7
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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:28:57 PM
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'm looking for my second ar and I want piston rifle. I want a LWRC but saw an article about Huldra in a magazine. They look like they are a pretty good deal. Does anyone have any experience with these rifles?
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:53:45 AM
Not this again...... Ask 10 different people, your going to get 10 different opinions. If you want a nice piston gun, get an AA. It's a great gun for the price. If you want the best tack driver that you can hand on down to your kids when they get older, get a HOGAN. I have owned LWRC, Osprey Defense, AA, POF, & Hogan. If I have to pick only one of them, I'll pick a Hogan every day of the week & twice on Sunday. It is by far the finest rifle I have ever shot. It's gonna cost ya, but you definitely get what you pay for.....
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Posted: 7/26/2012 1:08:11 PM
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Posted: 7/26/2012 10:32:29 PM
I'm a big fan of my new SIG516 Gen2 in FDE. $1500. I personally think it's the best bang for your buck.

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Posted: 7/27/2012 12:13:06 AM
I am working up a spreadsheet now with all of the options out there and narrowing them down based on the features I am looking for. I will try to post my results, but the data will probably be tailored for what I am looking for.

I stopped at a local gun store the other day and held a 516, SR-556 (both quad rail and the thin rail) and the M&P15PSX. Even with the thin rail the Ruger seems a bit nose heavy compared to the others and I am not real sure why.

Going to the gun show in town Saturday so we will see what is there to look at. One probably I am having is it is hard to find some of the brands in my area. LWRC, LMT, Barrett, PWS, etc are super hard to find and about the only place to is a little over an hour away.
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Posted: 7/28/2012 1:54:42 AM
Originally Posted By VitaminT:
I am working up a spreadsheet now with all of the options out there and narrowing them down based on the features I am looking for. I will try to post my results, but the data will probably be tailored for what I am looking for.

I stopped at a local gun store the other day and held a 516, SR-556 (both quad rail and the thin rail) and the M&P15PSX. Even with the thin rail the Ruger seems a bit nose heavy compared to the others and I am not real sure why.

Going to the gun show in town Saturday so we will see what is there to look at. One probably I am having is it is hard to find some of the brands in my area. LWRC, LMT, Barrett, PWS, etc are super hard to find and about the only place to is a little over an hour away.


Roger that, not very common rifles.
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Posted: 7/28/2012 12:44:17 PM
Consider the budget for accessories when you buy.

$500-$650 for a 1x4x24 illuminated scope for example.

$150 for a good bungie sling.

$500 for ammo to start with.

$200 for a good bi-pod with a quick release.

And so on.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 10:49:31 PM
I thought I would post us the final few that I narrowed it down to. Again it was a bit on what I was looking for and also availability played into it as well.


  • Bushmaster MOE Piston, $1150, local, looked great but am not sure the direction Bushmaster is headed, probably would be great.
    Ruger SR-556CLA, $????, maybe could find locally, it looks to weigh a lot less due to the 14.7"PA fluted barrel and slim handguard but wasn't too sure since there wasn't one locally and the ones they had were very front heavy.
    Sig 516, $1250, local, looks like a great rifle but I was looking for a slim handguard and not a quad rail.
    POF P415, $????, can't find it anywhere local, looks like it is an awesome rifle. Not sure what it up between POF and Hogan as they look VERY similar and it seems there may be some lawsuit between them.
    LWRC M6-SL, $1550, can't find it anywhere local, basic LWRC rifle and looks like awsome starting point. Didn't like the fixed A2 front sight, really wished I could have seen this one in person.
    LWRC M6A2 SPR, $2350, kinda-local, has everything I wanted except for the big price tag.


Ended up buying the SPR. I am not happy about the amount of money it cost but it is awesome and feels like a real quality piece. Ran about 130 rounds through it today and it felt great, no failures.
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