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Posted: 7/16/2012 3:24:47 PM

THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
Over at LaRue mark was talking about "when moneys worth oohing you'll be glad you bought quality" I simply pondered how he could justify his DI to be a substaial thing in a post apocalyptic world he spoke of, and what science support it being superior to a Piston designed. 7 Pages of the LaRueminati was a lil ridiculous, they disputed facts, science and real experiences and tests by the US army, SOCCOM, and ARDEC (to name a few). You goat check out this link ridiculousness-http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/221897_When_money_is_worth_nothing___you_ll_be_glad_you_bought_quality____.html&page=1
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Posted: 7/16/2012 3:33:22 PM
Page 5-8= Pretty funny
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Posted: 7/16/2012 3:56:49 PM
Key word "Tests"! Just because sf forces or military is in a testing phase or a piston weapon won a military contract does not mean it is superior!

It's all about prices!

My opinion.... Pistons suck , D.I.s work better and last longer. I'm sorry if I butthurt you op.

Oooo a d.i, gets soooo dirty.... Big whoop, shut the hell up and maintain your weapon like a man!
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Posted: 7/16/2012 3:56:58 PM
Any thoughts?
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Posted: 7/16/2012 3:59:35 PM
Originally Posted By Leprechaun-33-:
Key word "Tests"! Just because sf forces or military is in a testing phase or a piston weapon won a military contract does not mean it is superior!

It's all about prices! $250 AA conversion? AA 5.45 upper $634 on midway?

My opinion.... Pistons suck , D.I.s work better and last longer. I'm sorry if I butthurt you op. - Kinda sorta, read the whole thing if you feel that strong.

Oooo a d.i, gets soooo dirty.... Big whoop, shut the hell up and maintain your weapon like a man!
- Thats the thing they are talking about extreme "Armageddon" conditions??? So it gets really dirts, DI under not so ideal conditions simply will not work, the Piston was designed to overcome this.

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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:02:19 PM
Pistons are fine but show no substantial improvement, except in very narrow circumstances, like using a carbine as a squad support weapon. Pistons have a few minor drawbacks, too, such as increased weight, proprietary parts, and generally slightly degraded accuracy potential. If you like pistons, that's fine. If you don't, that's fine too. There are probably more important things to get fired up about and getting all wrapped around the axle because somebody said mean things about your rifle indicates an unhealthy emotional attachment.

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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:03:20 PM
meh...I solved that shit...I got both.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:08:38 PM
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Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Originally Posted By Leprechaun-33-:
Key word "Tests"! Just because sf forces or military is in a testing phase or a piston weapon won a military contract does not mean it is superior!

It's all about prices! $250 AA conversion? AA 5.45 upper $634 on midway?

My opinion.... Pistons suck , D.I.s work better and last longer. I'm sorry if I butthurt you op. - Kinda sorta, read the whole thing if you feel that strong.

Oooo a d.i, gets soooo dirty.... Big whoop, shut the hell up and maintain your weapon like a man!
- Thats the thing they are talking about extreme "Armageddon" conditions??? So it gets really dirts, DI under not so ideal conditions simply will not work, the Piston was designed to overcome this.



Eeehhh I read the first page. But yeah this whole di vs pd war needs to stop. It's getting old. Armageddon conditions? Dude simple fact if your weapon is dirty it's gonna fail,

oh my the piston will still cycle in Armageddon conditions..... Saweet, I'm gonna go buy one right away bc that's gonna happen soon and it does not matter if the boltface has mud and stones between it and the primer!

Dude the di will work n so will the piston. this thread will go no where but into another long drawn out pd vs di
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:08:46 PM
Trolling Larue's forum wasn't enough for you, so you come to a tech forum to troll some more?
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:09:26 PM
I sent my piston gun back, it was too unreliable. to be a good piston gun it needs to be a FNC or Scar or a AK not a conversion gun
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:11:02 PM
Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Trolling Larue's forum wasn't enough for you, so you come to a tech forum to troll some more?


This.

I wouldnt mind hearing the "civil" arguement of DI vs. Piston, but starting a pissing match in the LaRue forum is in poor taste.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:11:48 PM
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Originally Posted By Leprechaun-33-:
Key word "Tests"! Just because sf forces or military is in a testing phase or a piston weapon won a military contract does not mean it is superior!

It's all about prices! $250 AA conversion? AA 5.45 upper $634 on midway?

My opinion.... Pistons suck , D.I.s work better and last longer. I'm sorry if I butthurt you op. - Kinda sorta, read the whole thing if you feel that strong.

Oooo a d.i, gets soooo dirty.... Big whoop, shut the hell up and maintain your weapon like a man!
- Thats the thing they are talking about extreme "Armageddon" conditions??? So it gets really dirts, DI under not so ideal conditions simply will not work, the Piston was designed to overcome this.





Looks like you've been drinking some Kool-aid, son.

I have experienced stoppages on DI, and piston systems including AR15, M16, M4, M249, M60, M1A, and AK(47 type). I have also fired well over 800 rounds through a suppressed DI AR with no cleaning or lubrication and had zero stoppages. It looked like a fireplace inside that receiver but it kept chugging along just fine.

Pistons are cool and all, but I seriously doubt you'll ever be in a position where your gas system makes a lick of difference as to whether your rifle works.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:13:59 PM
Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Trolling Larue's forum wasn't enough for you, so you come to a tech forum to troll some more?


+1
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:23:41 PM
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:26:44 PM
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?


...or too logical, even.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:30:39 PM
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?


You admit no combat experience at all, but argue with veterans who have served, and are still serving, with DI weapons in combat about their reliability. Your posts are childish, rediculous and some violate COC.

You were and still are trolling, plain and simple. Hopefully a mod or site staff will be along shortly to remove you from the site.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:32:00 PM
Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?


You admit no combat experience at all, but argue with veterans who have served, and are still serving, with DI weapons in combat about their reliability. Your posts are childish, rediculous and some violate COC.

You were and still are trolling, plain and simple. Hopefully a mod or site staff will be along shortly to remove you from the site.


Yes, he should be at work building the PD14.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:33:42 PM
Originally Posted By WildMadDog:
Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?


You admit no combat experience at all, but argue with veterans who have served, and are still serving, with DI weapons in combat about their reliability. Your posts are childish, rediculous and some violate COC.

You were and still are trolling, plain and simple. Hopefully a mod or site staff will be along shortly to remove you from the site.


Yes, he should be at work building the PD14.


It was kinda funny but too much repetition, now not really funny, not original
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:36:08 PM
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Originally Posted By WildMadDog:
Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?


You admit no combat experience at all, but argue with veterans who have served, and are still serving, with DI weapons in combat about their reliability. Your posts are childish, rediculous and some violate COC.

You were and still are trolling, plain and simple. Hopefully a mod or site staff will be along shortly to remove you from the site.


Yes, he should be at work building the PD14.


It was kinda funny but too much repetition, now not really funny, not original


Kind of like every single post that you have made? Something like that? Repetitious bullshit that you have no firsthand knowledge of but you spout out like it's the holy gospel?

Now where is my PD14?
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:41:23 PM
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Originally Posted By WildMadDog:
Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?


You admit no combat experience at all, but argue with veterans who have served, and are still serving, with DI weapons in combat about their reliability. Your posts are childish, rediculous and some violate COC.

You were and still are trolling, plain and simple. Hopefully a mod or site staff will be along shortly to remove you from the site.


Yes, he should be at work building the PD14.


It was kinda funny but too much repetition, now not really funny, not original


Pot, meet kettle.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:43:16 PM
Originally Posted By WildMadDog:
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Originally Posted By WildMadDog:
Originally Posted By BiggerStick47:
Originally Posted By PistonDriven14:
Mixed reviews! Wasn't attempting to troll, but the claims are insane, and not to logical?


You admit no combat experience at all, but argue with veterans who have served, and are still serving, with DI weapons in combat about their reliability. Your posts are childish, rediculous and some violate COC.

You were and still are trolling, plain and simple. Hopefully a mod or site staff will be along shortly to remove you from the site.


Yes, he should be at work building the PD14.


It was kinda funny but too much repetition, now not really funny, not original


Kind of like every single post that you have made? Something like that? -Thats funny, and going from the man who won't let a bad joke die (i.e. PD14)

bullshit that you have no firsthand knowledge of but you spout out like it's the holy gospel? - No more so you by saying over and over DI's bette cuz I saw an Army guy with it, I shoot a lot of rounds on mine! Yet you understand NO science behind it refute logic, refute common sense and on top of it all this is the MOST funny part YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!

Now where is my PD14?
- Pretty dead like the DI and all the ideology and BS you gobble up! And then spit out!

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Posted: 7/16/2012 4:45:04 PM
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Call out thread, take it to the pit.


This is a techincal forum not a place for call out threads.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 5:25:55 PM
Originally Posted By TLS1976:
meh...I solved that shit...I got both.


+1! That's called covering your bases!
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Posted: 7/16/2012 6:45:56 PM
DI better parts support and its whats in use now will run filthy but lubed is lube dependant..Piston will run longer in certain environments unlubed,runs coolerr and cleaner but has proprietary parts thats why I use the Osprey drop in and I have 5x as more DI parts and for every Osprey conversion theres 3 I have an identical DI upper..best of both worlds.I have a complet Osprey system as spare parts and 2 other systems I can canabilize ...I love pistons but my support for the system still relies heavily ob DI because of parts support and a good track record for use if the end user does his or her part.
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