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Posted: 3/16/2016 5:20:03 PM EDT
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The design objective for the Griffin AR furniture products was to bring quality, functional options to the market that offered unique benefits at affordable prices. The ECS (Extreme Condition Stock), RailShield M-LOK compatible rail covers, and A3 grip are available in Black, FDE, OD Green, and Grey. “The Extreme condition stock definitely took the most effort.”, Austin stated, Primary owner and Lead engineer for Griffin. He went on to say, “I wanted to make something unique and better. There is a lot of stuff that has come out on the market the last few years that is unique but doesn’t necessarily add any new function or improvement over what already existed.” The Extreme Condition Stock features a proprietary low drag latching system designed around a beefy stainless tool steel locking pin. This mechanism in conjunction with optimal geometry, and impact modified injected materials, allow the ECS to pass a 10 foot drop test when used with the Griffin MRE-HD (Maritime Receiver Extension Heavy Duty). In Griffin’s testing, the ECS stock, when used in conjunction with their MRE, allowed direct impingement Ar15s to pass an “Over The Beach Test”. Holes in the rear butt plate and along the sides of the stock communicate with holes in the MRE allowing for reduced pressure in the operating system when fired immediately after the firearm is removed from the water. The stock has a canted rear butt angle for improved ergonomics to the body. This also ensures recoil is kept high and in-line with the barrel to minimize muzzle rise. Also the top of the stock is “beard friendly” meaning there is no hole present as found in mil-spec style stocks. A low profile anti-rotation QD sling swivel socket is the provided means of sling attachment. The A3 grip is simple in that it doesn’t have a plug on the bottom. “We asked a lot of our friends from military and contracting and a very small percentage ever used storage in plug grips even when they had them.” Said a representative from Griffin. The goal of this product was to make a very affordable improved grip over the A2 grip. “It features a more vertical grip angle and deletes the annoying finger shelf that very few people prefer.”, He went on to state The RailShield panel kit sections are 4.6” long ensuring that you can get a full hand grip on the panels protecting your hand from thermal transfer of a hot rail if you are going through a lot of ammo fast. The styling of the kit matches the A3 grip. Four pieces are included. The user has the option of running the bottom flat panel or palm stop panel. The palm stop geometry is placed as rearward as possible, again allowing a full hand grip while giving the shooter an anchor point to pull the gun hard into the shoulder pocket to control recoil and grab fast follow up shots. ECS™ (Extreme Condition Stock): $ 59.95 msrp Features: – Fits mil-spec buffer tubes – Water / debris evacuation ports function when used with Griffin MRE (available separately) – Proprietary low drag, heavy duty latching system – Stainless tool steel locking pin – 17-7 locking spring is all weather durable – Stainless spring tempered ambidextrous anti-rotation QD sling swivel socket – Ergonomic angled non slip rubber butt pad – Available in Black, OD Green, FDE, and Grey – Weight: 8.9oz – Length: 6.8” A3 GRIP: $15.95 msrp Features: – More vertical angle for reduced wrist fatigue and anatomically correct pointing characteristics – Ambidextrous thumb shelves – No finger grooves allow universal fitment – Signature square texturing provides comfortable gripping surface RailShield™ M-LOK™ Compatible 4 piece panel kit: $ 29.95 msrp Features: – Grade 5 hardware – Includes side panels, palm stop and flat bottom panels. – Square texture matches Griffin A3 grip – 4.6” length allows full hand grip to be protected from thermal transfer Griffin is shipping furniture at the time of this press release. |
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I like the beard friendly stock. Is the width (cheek weld) about the same as the B5 Bravo or the Sopmod? Thanks
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So glad to see more mlok rail panels coming to the market. Those look great
My concern is how it works out with rails that have full slots around at 1'-11' o clock. Not the squared off type rail such as the one posted in the OP |
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Aim Surplus has this stuff in stock. Free shipping too.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=1316&name=Griffin+Armament |
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I like the beard friendly stock. Is the width (cheek weld) about the same as the B5 Bravo or the Sopmod? Thanks View Quote The check weld surface is more functional than the old std CAR, I would rate it more positive for cheek weld than a CTR, but not as beefy and positive as a SOPMOD style stock. You pay for that SOPMOD cheek weld in terms of having a fairly bulky stock. |
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So glad to see more mlok rail panels coming to the market. Those look great My concern is how it works out with rails that have full slots around at 1'-11' o clock. Not the squared off type rail such as the one posted in the OP View Quote The pannels should work fine because our rail is more square in profile, and those rails would have to put those surfaces at 45 degree angles. |
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Aim Surplus has this stuff in stock. Free shipping too. http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=1316&name=Griffin+Armament View Quote We appreciated their picking it up. |
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Ordered a grip and stock last night, looking forward to them.
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Rail covers...They look great, but are too thick, IMO. Once installed, they make the rail feel very bulky and squared. They were not comfortable and my hopes that someone would finally market a nice set of affordable MLOK cover is not realized. I imagine they were designed around the GA rail system, so perhaps that is where they would work best. I tried on an ALG V3 and V2 rails, but they did not feel good and threw my grip off. One interesting thing is that the covers don't use regular MLOK hardware/nuts. View Quote Luckily I have large(r) hands and will try them out. I'm hoping the OD green matches up the rest of my Magpul OD furniture, but may have to run black just to be on the safe side. GA can you chime in on color matching to other manufacturers??? |
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Those rail covers sure do look a lot like the KAC URXIII and URX3.1 rail covers
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I've got the full set in grey. I like it overall, but do have some observations: Grip...nice feel, good compromise on the angle. It is thin in the hand, like an A1. The checkering is not rough, but should be effective. Stock...fits a bit loose, comparable to my LWRC compact stock, on both a BCM tube and the Griffin Maritime tube I picked up. Installs easily, but comes off pretty easily, too. I mean a good press of the lever and rearward yank, like if you were trying to extend the stock in a hurry, off it comes. I noticed that I can likewise ratchet the stock backwards through position - with it going click, click, click, etc. - if I press the latch, start pulling back and keep going quickly, and release the latch, it will keep sliding and skip positions. So, if wanting to adjust one position, best to go slow The rubber pad does not come off, but feels OK. It adds weight, however. The Griffin unit feels heavier than the LWRC, just slightly, and the weight is very much rearward biased. The QD mount is nicely done, nicely located, and the stock has a slot and nubs to help limit rotation and protrusion. I do wish that it had a standard pass-through sling slot, as personally I do not like running a QD on the stock. I like it overall, and the cheek weld feels like the LWRC to me. The Griffin is a bit larger in the toe and slightly longer. Rail covers...They look great, but are too thick, IMO. Once installed, they make the rail feel very bulky and squared. They were not comfortable and my hopes that someone would finally market a nice set of affordable MLOK cover is not realized. I imagine they were designed around the GA rail system, so perhaps that is where they would work best. I tried on an ALG V3 and V2 rails, but they did not feel good and threw my grip off. One interesting thing is that the covers don't use regular MLOK hardware/nuts. Overall, Griffin's plastic feels "harder" than other manufacturer's stuff. The grip and rail covers feel harder than the stock. Finally, the grey color is very nice. It is darker than their website images show on my computer. It is lighter than the Magpul grey on my Type 1 MLOK covers. An impressive offering from a "small" company. Proving that you don't have to buy Magpul to get quality. In some ways it is better than I expected, in others not quite, but most should be pleased and can buy with confidence. View Quote Great write up. Would you mind throwing them on your rail and snapping a few pictures? Maybe from the front to show the squareness . You addressed my biggest concern regarding the shaping of the panels |
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Rail covers...They look great, but are too thick, IMO. View Quote Thanks for the feedback. In looking at the ALG rail I realized that it is pretty wide (almost like one of the suppressor covering as designed rails), and also has no M-Lok interface at 3 and 9 oclock (right and left sides). The furniture was designed for conventional rails with right bottom and left side interfaces. The panels are pretty slim, built to accommodate most M-Lok rails, but probably best accommodating 4 surface rails. The octagonal rails get a little more bulky. If you look at the picture, Sam almost can grip all the way around the rail with the panels installed and he has fairly average sized hands. |
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Great write up. Would you mind throwing them on your rail and snapping a few pictures? Maybe from the front to show the squareness . You addressed my biggest concern regarding the shaping of the panels View Quote It will depend on what kind of rail you have and what its dimensions are like. Our rails are pictured and they afford a very slim profile and are quasi octagonal in that the right left panels have curves on the lower side. |
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I bought the MLOK panels and just received em today.
Theyre definitely quality. Supplied hardware goes on easy and locks down nicely. The panels aren't necessarily thick, but on a geissele smr the handguard is kinda bulky. No biggie since I have massive hands, but something to keep in mind. My roommate has an SLR HG and the griffin covers are perfect on that size HG. I would definitely recommend em to other shooters. |
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Just got the grip and stock installed yesterday, haven't shot yet. so far I like. The stock feels really nice at your shoulder and you're right about the cheek weld, feels good man. I got the grip mostly for looks but was pleased with how comfortable it is.
Hey GA, any input on how the rail panels fit on Midwest Industries Gen 3 lightweight MLok rails? |
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Just got the grip and stock installed yesterday, haven't shot yet. so far I like. The stock feels really nice at your shoulder and you're right about the cheek weld, feels good man. I got the grip mostly for looks but was pleased with how comfortable it is. Hey GA, any input on how the rail panels fit on Midwest Industries Gen 3 lightweight MLok rails? View Quote The advertised 1.5" OD makes it a pretty likely candidate for ideal interfacing. Our rails are ~1.53" wide across M-lok flats. The panels were designed to interface rails up to about 1.8" wide without being anatomically awkward. There are customers with Geissle MK4's which are approximately that wide and the panels have been reported to work great. We understood there were 2 major categories of M-lok rails, 90 degree and 45 degree (octagonal) interfaces, and the octagonal interface. The .6" flat width blows up the octagonal interface width to approximately 1.75 [if radii are intended to be used at the corners], so we went as slim as possible to be compatible with the broadest range of handguard widths. |
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Can you make those grip panels for keymod as well? And shorter lengths?
Why not partner up with Strike Industries and use their LINK attachment that works on both keymod and mlok? |
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The advertised 1.5" OD makes it a pretty likely candidate for ideal interfacing. Our rails are ~1.53" wide across M-lok flats. The panels were designed to interface rails up to about 1.8" wide without being anatomically awkward. There are customers with Geissle MK4's which are approximately that wide and the panels have been reported to work great. We understood there were 2 major categories of M-lok rails, 90 degree and 45 degree (octagonal) interfaces, and the octagonal interface. The .6" flat width blows up the octagonal interface width to approximately 1.75 [if radii are intended to be used at the corners], so we went as slim as possible to be compatible with the broadest range of handguard widths. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just got the grip and stock installed yesterday, haven't shot yet. so far I like. The stock feels really nice at your shoulder and you're right about the cheek weld, feels good man. I got the grip mostly for looks but was pleased with how comfortable it is. Hey GA, any input on how the rail panels fit on Midwest Industries Gen 3 lightweight MLok rails? The advertised 1.5" OD makes it a pretty likely candidate for ideal interfacing. Our rails are ~1.53" wide across M-lok flats. The panels were designed to interface rails up to about 1.8" wide without being anatomically awkward. There are customers with Geissle MK4's which are approximately that wide and the panels have been reported to work great. We understood there were 2 major categories of M-lok rails, 90 degree and 45 degree (octagonal) interfaces, and the octagonal interface. The .6" flat width blows up the octagonal interface width to approximately 1.75 [if radii are intended to be used at the corners], so we went as slim as possible to be compatible with the broadest range of handguard widths. Awesome, thanks for the detailed reply. Order placed. Much appreciated. |
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Can you make those grip panels for keymod as well? And shorter lengths? Why not partner up with Strike Industries and use their LINK attachment that works on both keymod and mlok? View Quote We have just seen the Link system. Very interesting. We did attempt to fit the panels on a Keymod rail. We found that the provided fasteners work, but that the M-lok recoil lug needs to be shaved about .015" per side. They can be easily modified to fit, but that isn't the same thing as direct fitment. |
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We have std M-Lok fasteners in production for the furniture kits. A couple customers didn't like the OEM furniture backing nut we were providing. That should be 2-3 weeks and we'll have those included.
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If the stock had a traditional slot for sling mounting, I'd buy one. I don't care for a QD swivel on my stocks.
If the grip had a storage plug, I'd buy one. I keep folded up Form 1 copies in my SBR grips. The rail panels look promising, but I'd like to see them mounted on an MK8 before I buy any for mine. I'm a fan of your products, having a couple different muzzle devices and 3 cans in jail at the moment. Hoping you decide to make upgraded versions of the stock and grip, as I like the looks of them a lot. |
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So I've had some time to use the stock and wanted to report. To reiterate my initial impressions, it feels great at the shoulder and the cheek weld is very nice for a stock with no riser - I really like shooting with this stock. I prefer the qd sling attachment over a slot, FWIW. Honestly my only criticism is the adjustment lever. It is VERY easy to remove the stock entirely when you do not intend to. I get that some of that was the design intent, but this stock would be hands down awesome if there were a way to prevent the overtravel on the lever, so you don't take the thing off the receiver extension by accident. Regardless, awesome work on bringing new products to market. The stock and pistol grip are very nice, I'm a fan. |
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Any more reviews on the stock? I keep cycling through stocks on my rifle and can't settle on one. I think this is one of the few I have not yet tried.
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The rail in our pictures is the soon to be released Griffin Armament Low Pro Rigid™ M-LOK Rail which will be available in 8.6", 10.5", 13.5", and 15" length. -Sam View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What rail is that in the pictures? They fit well The rail in our pictures is the soon to be released Griffin Armament Low Pro Rigid™ M-LOK Rail which will be available in 8.6", 10.5", 13.5", and 15" length. -Sam got an ETA? |
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I currently have a LMT Sopmod, B5 Sopmod, LWRC compact stock, Magpul CTR, and an old school mil spec stock on my rifles. I had two B5 Bravo stocks that this stock replaced. What do you want to know?
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Any more reviews on the stock? I keep cycling through stocks on my rifle and can't settle on one. I think this is one of the few I have not yet tried. View Quote |
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What rail is that in the pictures? They fit well The rail in our pictures is the soon to be released Griffin Armament Low Pro Rigid™ M-LOK Rail which will be available in 8.6", 10.5", 13.5", and 15" length. -Sam got an ETA? The rail release is ~2 weeks out. |
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Stock looks really neat. Like if the original car-15 stock and sopmod stock had a baby.
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The more I handle my panels, the more I wish they had more of a grip texture. Feels like a slick plastic.
I have magpuls new mlok handstop and panels on one of my other rifles, and I can't help but get spoiled with the texture. I'm probably going to stipple the handstop portion of my griffin panels. My hand moves downward as I pull the rifle in to me. I have mine installed on a 9.5" Geissele mk8 for reference. |
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The more I handle my panels, the more I wish they had more of a grip texture. Feels like a slick plastic. I have magpuls new mlok handstop and panels on one of my other rifles, and I can't help but get spoiled with the texture. I'm probably going to stipple the handstop portion of my griffin panels. My hand moves downward as I pull the rifle in to me. I have mine installed on a 9.5" Geissele mk8 for reference. View Quote One of the things we wanted to avoid was over-texturizing the furniture. We have worked with firearms in environments where we hold firearms up to 20 hours a day. There is a fine line between enough texture and so much texture that it is annoying to hold an item for that length of time. The material can be stippled, but we felt the texture designed in was ideal in that it presented texture without presenting so much that we tipped into that other category where the item was abrasive to clothing or skin. If you look at an item like the M16A2 for example, the plastic is pretty smooth, but that makes sense because infantry soldiers literally put their rifles in their sleeping bags at night- so they are in contact with their rifles up to 24 hours a day. |
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One of the things we wanted to avoid was over-texturizing the furniture. We have worked with firearms in environments where we hold firearms up to 20 hours a day. There is a fine line between enough texture and so much texture that it is annoying to hold an item for that length of time. The material can be stippled, but we felt the texture designed in was ideal in that it presented texture without presenting so much that we tipped into that other category where the item was abrasive to clothing or skin. If you look at an item like the M16A2 for example, the plastic is pretty smooth, but that makes sense because infantry soldiers literally put their rifles in their sleeping bags at night- so they are in contact with their rifles up to 24 hours a day. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The more I handle my panels, the more I wish they had more of a grip texture. Feels like a slick plastic. I have magpuls new mlok handstop and panels on one of my other rifles, and I can't help but get spoiled with the texture. I'm probably going to stipple the handstop portion of my griffin panels. My hand moves downward as I pull the rifle in to me. I have mine installed on a 9.5" Geissele mk8 for reference. One of the things we wanted to avoid was over-texturizing the furniture. We have worked with firearms in environments where we hold firearms up to 20 hours a day. There is a fine line between enough texture and so much texture that it is annoying to hold an item for that length of time. The material can be stippled, but we felt the texture designed in was ideal in that it presented texture without presenting so much that we tipped into that other category where the item was abrasive to clothing or skin. If you look at an item like the M16A2 for example, the plastic is pretty smooth, but that makes sense because infantry soldiers literally put their rifles in their sleeping bags at night- so they are in contact with their rifles up to 24 hours a day. No, I get what you're saying. I can deal with the main texturing. It's just that slick space on the hand stop itself, because it's curved and slick enough to cause my hand to ramp/slide downward more than I prefer. Could just be me though. |
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What rail is that in the pictures? They fit well The rail in our pictures is the soon to be released Griffin Armament Low Pro Rigid™ M-LOK Rail which will be available in 8.6", 10.5", 13.5", and 15" length. -Sam got an ETA? The rail release is ~2 weeks out. |
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ALG's grey anodizing is a near perfect match for Griffin's grey polymer. Unfortunately, the MLOK panels don;t work well with ALG's rail shape, as noted previously. <a href="http://s499.photobucket.com/user/C2Installs/media/IMG_0504_zpsidispjjx.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/C2Installs/IMG_0504_zpsidispjjx.jpg</a> View Quote How close is it to the Magpul Grey? |
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a couple of the ECS stocks in OD, but a couple of questions first:
1) How closely does your OD match Magpul's OD? I can always do black if too much of a mismatch but would prefer OD. 2) Is the Magpul QDM sling swivel w/its non-std angle still rotation-limited when used w/the ECS? Thx!... Tomac |
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a couple of the ECS stocks in OD, but a couple of questions first: 1) How closely does your OD match Magpul's OD? I can always do black if too much of a mismatch but would prefer OD. 2) Is the Magpul QDM sling swivel w/its non-std angle still rotation-limited when used w/the ECS? Thx!... Tomac View Quote I'm not sure on the color match. I do think it is a nice OD color. I don't have a QDM sling swivel. We based the design on std Grovetec QD swivels that are common on the market. There have been a couple recent non-std QD swivels to reach the market- I'm not sure what the objective of those products was. |
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