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Posted: 11/11/2015 3:05:09 AM EDT

Battle Arms Development VERT STOCK SYSTEM-PDW Stock

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Description:

Battle Arms Development's latest *VERT (TM) STOCK SYSTEM ONLY 19.5oz!

•Continuous Cheek Rest
•Interchangeable Cheek Rest (different colors/patterns, coming soon)
•Ultra Compact Buffer & Buffer Spring
•Overall Length Of Pull = 8 1/4"
•(4) Locking Stock Postions
•Stock Locks Both Directions
•Precision CNC from Aircraft Grade Aluminum & S7 Tool Steel
•MilSpec Type III Class 2 Hard Anodized Black
•(2) Built-In Non-Rotating QD Points
•Lightweight 19.5 Ounces (Complete Stock System with Buffer & Springs)
•Made in the USA
•Patents Pending

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Posted: 11/11/2015 6:28:10 AM EDT

[#1]

Does this use a proprietary BCG? If not, what is the buffer weight and will there be heavier buffers available?

Posted: 11/11/2015 12:51:47 PM EDT

[#2]

What is minimum length it can collapse to?

Need info on BCG. i.e. will there be a buffer to work with a QC10 9mm lower? Will this work with a PWS BCG?

Posted: 11/11/2015 1:24:05 PM EDT

[#3]

NICE!

+2 on the question the others have asked about the BCG

Posted: 11/11/2015 2:12:55 PM EDT

[#4]

NVM

Posted: 11/11/2015 2:36:08 PM EDT

[#5]

•Proprietary Ultra Compact Buffer & Recoil Spring System - Compatible with MilSpec M16/AR15 Bolt Carrier

Posted: 11/11/2015 11:54:16 PM EDT

[#6]

IMO, best version so far!

Posted: 11/12/2015 1:05:29 PM EDT

[#7]

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What is minimum length it can collapse to?

Need info on BCG. i.e. will there be a buffer to work with a QC10 9mm lower? Will this work with a PWS BCG?

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Minimum Collapsed Length = 4.75"

Maximum Extended Length = 8.75"

No proprietary BCG. Compatible with standard MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. Patent Pending Ultra Compact Buffer System is self contained and "drops-in". The first sub 5" PDW Stock System commercially available that doesn't need a proprietary BCG (one piece with buffer) or require you to use an adapter so you can "shotgun" the upper without retraining.

The reciprocating mass of the buffer is between a H1 and H2. Pending on your build specs, it may work or may need some tuning to balance. We haven't tested with 9mm yet.

Posted: 11/12/2015 1:11:12 PM EDT

[#8]

Here are photos of the earlier prototype, about 1" longer. Production is 4.75" Longer Collapsed.

Posted: 11/12/2015 2:03:21 PM EDT

[#9]

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Minimum Collapsed Length = 4.75"
Maximum Extended Length = 8.75"

No proprietary BCG. Compatible with standard MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. Patent Pending Ultra Compact Buffer System is self contained and "drops-in". The first sub 5" PDW Stock System commercially available that doesn't need a proprietary BCG (one piece with buffer) or require you to use an adapter so you can "shotgun" the upper without retraining.

The reciprocating mass of the buffer is between a H1 and H2. Pending on your build specs, it may work or may need some tuning to balance. We haven't tested with 9mm yet.

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What is minimum length it can collapse to?

Need info on BCG. i.e. will there be a buffer to work with a QC10 9mm lower? Will this work with a PWS BCG?

Minimum Collapsed Length = 4.75"
Maximum Extended Length = 8.75"

No proprietary BCG. Compatible with standard MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. Patent Pending Ultra Compact Buffer System is self contained and "drops-in". The first sub 5" PDW Stock System commercially available that doesn't need a proprietary BCG (one piece with buffer) or require you to use an adapter so you can "shotgun" the upper without retraining.

The reciprocating mass of the buffer is between a H1 and H2. Pending on your build specs, it may work or may need some tuning to balance. We haven't tested with 9mm yet.

I'd love to see photos of the buffer system.
If you guys come out with heavier buffer weights for suppressed 9mm (8-12oz) I'd get one in a heartbeat.

Posted: 11/12/2015 2:20:35 PM EDT

[#10]

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I'd love to see photos of the buffer system.

If you guys come out with heavier buffer weights for suppressed 9mm (8-12oz) I'd get one in a heartbeat.

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Quoted:

What is minimum length it can collapse to?

Need info on BCG. i.e. will there be a buffer to work with a QC10 9mm lower? Will this work with a PWS BCG?

Minimum Collapsed Length = 4.75"

Maximum Extended Length = 8.75"

No proprietary BCG. Compatible with standard MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. Patent Pending Ultra Compact Buffer System is self contained and "drops-in". The first sub 5" PDW Stock System commercially available that doesn't need a proprietary BCG (one piece with buffer) or require you to use an adapter so you can "shotgun" the upper without retraining.

The reciprocating mass of the buffer is between a H1 and H2. Pending on your build specs, it may work or may need some tuning to balance. We haven't tested with 9mm yet.

I'd love to see photos of the buffer system.

If you guys come out with heavier buffer weights for suppressed 9mm (8-12oz) I'd get one in a heartbeat.

Due to the very limited volume of space we have to work with inside the buffer tube and still maintain the ability to shotgun the upper and not use a proprietary carrier, we have maxed out at about H1+ reciprocating mass. If we need to go more, we can do that but we may lose the ability to shotgun the upper but still use a standard carrier.

Posted: 11/14/2015 12:42:32 PM EDT

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Due to the very limited volume of space we have to work with inside the buffer tube and still maintain the ability to shotgun the upper and not use a proprietary carrier, we have maxed out at about H1+ reciprocating mass. If we need to go more, we can do that but we may lose the ability to shotgun the upper but still use a standard carrier.

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Quoted:
What is minimum length it can collapse to?

Need info on BCG. i.e. will there be a buffer to work with a QC10 9mm lower? Will this work with a PWS BCG?

Minimum Collapsed Length = 4.75"
Maximum Extended Length = 8.75"

No proprietary BCG. Compatible with standard MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. Patent Pending Ultra Compact Buffer System is self contained and "drops-in". The first sub 5" PDW Stock System commercially available that doesn't need a proprietary BCG (one piece with buffer) or require you to use an adapter so you can "shotgun" the upper without retraining.

The reciprocating mass of the buffer is between a H1 and H2. Pending on your build specs, it may work or may need some tuning to balance. We haven't tested with 9mm yet.

I'd love to see photos of the buffer system.
If you guys come out with heavier buffer weights for suppressed 9mm (8-12oz) I'd get one in a heartbeat.

Due to the very limited volume of space we have to work with inside the buffer tube and still maintain the ability to shotgun the upper and not use a proprietary carrier, we have maxed out at about H1+ reciprocating mass. If we need to go more, we can do that but we may lose the ability to shotgun the upper but still use a standard carrier.

I'm sure you've looked at the MVB ARC and how the buffer can be captured with the bottom button, and the carrier pulled forward from the buffer to allow for shotgunning while having the buffer extend into the carrier for more mass.

Posted: 11/14/2015 7:58:54 PM EDT

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I'm sure you've looked at the MVB ARC and how the buffer can be captured with the bottom button, and the carrier pulled forward from the buffer to allow for shotgunning while having the buffer extend into the carrier for more mass.

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Quoted:

What is minimum length it can collapse to?

Need info on BCG. i.e. will there be a buffer to work with a QC10 9mm lower? Will this work with a PWS BCG?

Minimum Collapsed Length = 4.75"

Maximum Extended Length = 8.75"

No proprietary BCG. Compatible with standard MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. Patent Pending Ultra Compact Buffer System is self contained and "drops-in". The first sub 5" PDW Stock System commercially available that doesn't need a proprietary BCG (one piece with buffer) or require you to use an adapter so you can "shotgun" the upper without retraining.

The reciprocating mass of the buffer is between a H1 and H2. Pending on your build specs, it may work or may need some tuning to balance. We haven't tested with 9mm yet.

I'd love to see photos of the buffer system.

If you guys come out with heavier buffer weights for suppressed 9mm (8-12oz) I'd get one in a heartbeat.

Due to the very limited volume of space we have to work with inside the buffer tube and still maintain the ability to shotgun the upper and not use a proprietary carrier, we have maxed out at about H1+ reciprocating mass. If we need to go more, we can do that but we may lose the ability to shotgun the upper but still use a standard carrier.

I'm sure you've looked at the MVB ARC and how the buffer can be captured with the bottom button, and the carrier pulled forward from the buffer to allow for shotgunning while having the buffer extend into the carrier for more mass.

Yes. We are aware of that system. We want to do something unique and different that does not require the need for an adapter or change the SOP to shotgun the upper. We are also respectful of the intellectual property by others. This is why it is so challenging to make something different and better and at the same time not step on any toes because usually someone somewhere have already thought of it before or it wouldn't be a patentable and unique idea.

Posted: 11/15/2015 1:25:28 PM EDT

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We are also respectful of the intellectual property by others. This is why it is so challenging to make something different and better and at the same time not step on any toes because usually someone somewhere have already thought of it before or it wouldn't be a patentable and unique idea.

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A stand up company with integrity. Well done fellas.

Posted: 11/16/2015 1:52:49 PM EDT

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Yes. We are aware of that system. We want to do something unique and different that does not require the need for an adapter or change the SOP to shotgun the upper. We are also respectful of the intellectual property by others. This is why it is so challenging to make something different and better and at the same time not step on any toes because usually someone somewhere have already thought of it before or it wouldn't be a patentable and unique idea.

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I'm sure you've looked at the MVB ARC and how the buffer can be captured with the bottom button, and the carrier pulled forward from the buffer to allow for shotgunning while having the buffer extend into the carrier for more mass.

Yes. We are aware of that system. We want to do something unique and different that does not require the need for an adapter or change the SOP to shotgun the upper. We are also respectful of the intellectual property by others. This is why it is so challenging to make something different and better and at the same time not step on any toes because usually someone somewhere have already thought of it before or it wouldn't be a patentable and unique idea.

Good to hear

Posted: 11/24/2015 8:56:08 AM EDT

[#15]

Is there an official release date?

Posted: 11/24/2015 9:13:44 AM EDT

[#16]

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<snip> We want to do something unique and different that does not require the need for an adapter or change the SOP to shotgun the upper. We are also respectful of the intellectual property by others. <snip>

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Sorry for the stupid question... what do you mean "shotgun the upper" and why is this feature so desirable? I was thinking that "shotgunning" is the same as "mortaring" a rifle, but now I don't think so.. Googling the term doesn't provide me the same context as how you are using it.

Posted: 11/24/2015 9:22:03 AM EDT

[#17]

I believe "shotgunning" in this context refers to field stripping the AR15 by releasing the rear take down pin but leaving the pivot pin in place, allowing the rifle to rotate open kind of like a single shot or double barrel shotgun.

Some of the PDW type stocks that require bolt carrier inserts or different buffers don't allow this because of a protrusion between the bolt and the buffer. In that case both the rear take down pin and the pivot pin must be removed in order to field strip the rifle.

Posted: 11/24/2015 9:31:51 AM EDT

[#18]

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I believe "shotgunning" in this context refers to field stripping the AR15 by releasing the rear take down pin but leaving the pivot pin in place, allowing the rifle to rotate open kind of like a single shot or double barrel shotgun.

Some of the PDW type stocks that require bolt carrier inserts or different buffers don't allow this because of a protrusion between the bolt and the buffer. In that case both the rear take down pin and the pivot pin must be removed in order to field strip the rifle.

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ahhh... duh!

Thanks for the explanation.

Posted: 11/24/2015 6:39:19 PM EDT

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ahhh... duh!

Thanks for the explanation.

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I believe "shotgunning" in this context refers to field stripping the AR15 by releasing the rear take down pin but leaving the pivot pin in place, allowing the rifle to rotate open kind of like a single shot or double barrel shotgun.

Some of the PDW type stocks that require bolt carrier inserts or different buffers don't allow this because of a protrusion between the bolt and the buffer. In that case both the rear take down pin and the pivot pin must be removed in order to field strip the rifle.

ahhh... duh!

Thanks for the explanation.

I had the exact same question, thanks to you both for covering it. Pretty badass stock right there!

Posted: 11/27/2015 12:52:17 AM EDT

[#20]

Crazy question,
Could you cut the buffer tube down or off for use on guns that accept AR stocks, but don't use buffer tubes? Something like the old Nordic Components CRS, pictured here on my XCR:

Posted: 12/1/2015 3:28:16 AM EDT

[#21]

So basically this is the stock that's on the CMT PDW lower, but doesn't require you to buy the proprietary PDW lower?

Neat.

Posted: 12/1/2015 7:50:58 AM EDT

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So basically this is the stock that's on the CMT PDW lower, but doesn't require you to buy the proprietary PDW lower?

Neat.

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From their (BAD's) own PDW lower thread, I believe that this includes their proprietary compact buffer system, which allows it to be shorter when closed than CMT's. They did, however, develop it together, so other than the length, it is basically the same stock.

Posted: 12/1/2015 8:46:46 AM EDT

[#23]

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Crazy question,
Could you cut the buffer tube down or off for use on guns that accept AR stocks, but don't use buffer tubes? Something like the old Nordic Components CRS, pictured here on my XCR:

<a href="http://s837.photobucket.com/user/gr8santini/media/hornybooger2_zpstlgsvxef.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/gr8santini/hornybooger2_zpstlgsvxef.jpg</a><a href="http://s837.photobucket.com/user/gr8santini/media/hornybooger1_zpskskphsvt.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/gr8santini/hornybooger1_zpskskphsvt.jpg</a>

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I hate that they discontinued it, I've got one from the first run.

Posted: 12/1/2015 9:35:28 AM EDT

[#24]

Will the buffer system work for suppressed and unsupressed 300 BLK?

Posted: 12/1/2015 7:57:43 PM EDT

[#25]

Beautiful but pricey $$$

Posted: 12/1/2015 11:06:19 PM EDT

[#26]

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Will the buffer system work for suppressed and unsupressed 300 BLK?

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It is hard to give you an exact answer. There are many factors involved, not just the buffer system. Everything from the muzzle device, barrel length, gas port size, bolt carrier weight/type, suppressed/unsuppressed, type of ammunition (supersonic, subsonic, grain weight, etc.), etc. will all have an impact on how your 300 BLK rifle will run. Our buffer weight is similar to a H1 buffer weight, slightly heavier.

The same answer would be if you were to ask if a standard buffer or a H1, H2, H3 buffer will work for suppressed and unsuppressed 300 BLK. The answer is yes and no. Depends on everything else you have working together. You have to balance the system.

Posted: 12/1/2015 11:09:05 PM EDT

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So basically this is the stock that's on the CMT PDW lower, but doesn't require you to buy the proprietary PDW lower?
Neat.

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The mechanics of the "STOCK" is the same as the CMT PDW. We collaborated and co-patenting the stock mechanism. However, we have a different, proprietary/patent pending buffer & spring system that allows the stock to be about 1" shorter (4.75" overall) than the CMT version. We offer the PDW Stock System as a Kit (bolt-on) and also as a Monolithic PDW Lower / Stock System.

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