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Posted: 11/11/2015 2:59:05 AM EDT
Battle Arms Development Monolithic PDW Lower Receiver + Stock System
*** Click on the link below for ordering info and pricing *** Description: •Built-In PDW Stock System •Ultra Compact Design - 4.75" Stock Length for Ultimate Concealment •Proprietary Ultra Compact Buffer & Recoil Spring System - Compatible with MilSpec M16/AR15 Bolt Carrier •Self Contained Buffer System - No Proprietary Bolt Carrier Required! Ability to "Shotgun" the Upper •Monolithic Engineering - Receiver and PDW Stock Housing Precision CNC From Single Block of Billet 7075-T6 Aircraft Grade Aluminum for Superior Strength and Lightweight Design •Interchangeable Cheek Rest for Versitility (Color Cheek Rest Options Available In the Future) •Continous Cheek Weld for Ultimate Comfort and Stability/Accuracy •Billet CNC Milled 7075-T6 Aluminum Buttstock •(2) Build-In, Integral QD Sling Points at Rear of Receiver Stock Housing & Buttstock •Heat Treat & Harden S7 Tool Steel .315" Dia. Guide Rods for Ultimate Impact Strength and Durability •(4) Locking Stock Positions - Lockable in Both Direction. From 4.75" Fully Collapsed to 9" Fully Extended (measured from rear of receiver to end of stock) •Dimpled Locking Stops with Stainless Steel Ball Bearing & S7 Tool Steel Locking Latch •Ambidextrous Bolt Release (hardware included) •Ambidextrous Magazine Release (hardware included) •MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2, Hard Anodized Flat Black Finish •Compatible with TDP/Mil Standard AR Lower Receiver Parts (except for built-in proprietary components) •Dimensional Accuracy Inspection •All Sharp Edges De-Burred Sharp by Hand •Pictograph Selector Markings Properly Marked for 90° Safety or BAD-ASS-ST / BAD-CASS-SA-ST Short Throw Ambidextrous Safety Selectors •Receiver Safety Selector Hole & Internal Wall Machined with Relief Cut for Battle Arms Development "SHORT-THROW / REVERSIBLE" Ambidextrous Safety Selectors •Multi Caliber Marking for Build Versatility •Flared, Deep Beveled Magwell •Easy in Install Set Screw Bolt Catch Pin (Pin Included) •Captured Takedown Pin Detent Spring (Set Screw Included) •Upper/Lower Receiver Tension Screw (Screw included) •Integrated Trigger Guard •All Components, material, and packaging made in the USA •Laser Engraved Logo •Patents Pending: Monolithic Design, Stock Locking Mechanism, and Ultra Compact Buffer & Recoil Spring System Additional Components Include: •BAD-CASS-SA-ST - Combat Ambidextrous Safety Selector - 50°/90° Reversible - Standard & Short Lever •BAD-ATG - Battle Arms Development Adjustable Tactical Grip - 3 Grips-In-One - 3 Different Angles •BAD-EMMR-L-B - Enhanced Modular Magazine Release - Large Finger Pad - Black •BAD-EPS - Enhanced Pin Set (Enhanced Pivot Pin & Enhanced Takedown Pin)(*NEW! BONUS!* Not Yet Released - Will Ship Separately) •BAD-EBS - Enhanced Bolt Stop - CNC Milled from Billet 17-4 Stainless Steel •MilSpec Bolt Stop •MilSpec Magazine Release & Spring •Bolt Catch Detent & Spring •Buffer Detent & Spring Not Included: •Trigger Group (Trigger, Hammer, Disconnector, Trigger Pin, Hammer Pin, Trigger Spring, Hammer Spring, Disconnector Spring) *** CLICK HERE to take me to the Rainier Arms website *** 
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Posted: 11/11/2015 3:08:26 AM EDT
[#1]
Alright.
That's pretty cool. |
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Posted: 11/11/2015 9:39:29 AM EDT
[#2]
Way cool, but that price.
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Posted: 11/11/2015 10:02:28 AM EDT
[#3]
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Way cool, but that price. For $900 I'd like the option to buy it as a factory SBR so I don't have to engrave my info on that work of art. |
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Posted: 11/11/2015 10:28:23 AM EDT
[#4]
I'm typically leery of these kinds of products... but that's badass.
ETA - $900... I guess I won't be buying one. 
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Posted: 11/11/2015 12:14:57 PM EDT
[#5]
Could you tell us how much this weighs with and without the LPK? Are there options on buffer weight and buffer spring strengths?
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Posted: 11/11/2015 1:25:38 PM EDT
[#6]
I'm in love and you guys are making me broke
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Posted: 11/11/2015 2:57:10 PM EDT
[#7]
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I'm in love and you guys are making me broke That's what we do! |
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Posted: 11/11/2015 3:02:14 PM EDT
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Could you tell us how much this weighs with and without the LPK? Are there options on buffer weight and buffer spring strengths? I'll try and get weights to you soon. |
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Posted: 11/11/2015 11:55:55 PM EDT
[#9]
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Way cool, but that price. No kidding, that's more than a KAC ambi lower. 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 12:19:45 AM EDT
[#10]
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Alright. That's pretty cool. This. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 8:10:08 AM EDT
[#11]
I assume this is a joint development with CMT to make a lightweight version of their PDW lower. $325 extra ($275 w/ intro sale price) to reduce the weight.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 9:32:50 AM EDT
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I'll try and get weights to you soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could you tell us how much this weighs with and without the LPK? Are there options on buffer weight and buffer spring strengths? I'll try and get weights to you soon. I can get a sense for what it is based on the stock/buffer system being approximately 19.5 oz, and the stripped BAD556-LW Lower Receiver being 6.84 oz. You have added some new parts and capability to the lower with the ambi mag release and ambi bolt release mechanisms so it will be somewhat heavier. It would be good to know what buffer weight options there are (whether you could pop a pin out and either remove or add weight) and also what kinds of springs would be available to use in this proprietary receiver extension. I agree with the comment that this is "badass"! Expensive though. ETA - guessing the heaviest buffer weight is 3.3 oz (tungsten) from the CMT site. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 11:12:22 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I assume this is a joint development with CMT to make a lightweight version of their PDW lower. $325 extra ($275 w/ intro sale price) to reduce the weight.
http://pull01-rainier.netdna-ssl.com/media/product/ba8/cmt-uhp15pdw-integrated-lower-system-uhp15pdw-by-cmt-c85.jpg In their defense the BAD does come with a BAD parts kit, that is probably most of the extra cost. Its good quality stuff |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 1:46:47 PM EDT
[#14]
Gents, The (o)VERT PDW Lower & Stock System is designed to be a dedicated PDW SBR Rifle. The monolithic design was conceived by Battle Arms and we co-developed the stock mechanism with Cross Machine Tool hence the similarities. The stock housing is machined from one solid block of billet 7075T6 Aluminum as the lower receiver. It is lighter and stronger than your traditional bolt-on stock system that is only as strong as the buffer tube.  There are a few major differences between our version and the CMT version: 1. Compact 4.75" Stock Length - It is about 1" shorter than CMT fully collapsed 2. Proprietary Buffer System - Our ultra compact buffer system is the key that allowed the stock to be only 4.75" long and the ability to use any MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. No proprietary BCG or adapter required. Ability to "shotgun" the upper. 3. Lightweight & Ambi Design - Receiver design is patterned after our BAD556-LW Lightweight Receiver but with FULL AMBIDEXTROUS CONTROLS. Built-In Ambi Mag Release & Built-In Ambi Bolt Release. CMT is ambi as well but our design is a bit different. As for pricing, our lower comes almost complete (less trigger group), not stripped. It is packed full of our latest new product releases. The total value is over $1100 and the package sale price is $899 a great value if you dig a bit deeper to understand exactly what quality products that are included.
 
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:00:23 PM EDT
[#15]
Thanks for the info. I definitely like the design, especially the shortness when collapsed, and you have explained the added value received for the price. Seems more than fair.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:04:30 PM EDT
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3. Lightweight & Ambi Design - Receiver design is patterned after our BAD556-LW Lightweight Receiver but with FULL AMBIDEXTROUS CONTROLS. Built-In Ambi Mag Release & Built-In Ambi Bolt Release. CMT is ambi as well but our design is a bit different. That said, I'm a fan of what you've done with it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:06:37 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the info. I definitely like the design, especially the shortness when collapsed, and you have explained the added value received for the price. Seems more than fair. Thank you for seeing the value. We are never the low price leader but we offer value for our products through innovation, quality, functionality, aesthetics, etc. There are over 7 patents and patents pending in this lower kit alone. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:07:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it have the ability to lock the bolt back on the right side? If not than it's not really fully ambidextrous. That said, I'm a fan of what you've done with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 3. Lightweight & Ambi Design - Receiver design is patterned after our BAD556-LW Lightweight Receiver but with FULL AMBIDEXTROUS CONTROLS. Built-In Ambi Mag Release & Built-In Ambi Bolt Release. CMT is ambi as well but our design is a bit different. That said, I'm a fan of what you've done with it. It is a bolt release, doesn't lock back. You got me there.  |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 2:08:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:20:32 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryDamn. That is the best lower i have ever seen. Insert obvious "Nice rifle to" joke here. Wish we could have this in soviet occupied Massachusetts. |
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Posted: 11/15/2015 5:47:13 PM EDT
[#21]
I don't see the point. It is only 1.5" shorter than an M4 receiver extension, the stock has to be fully extended to "shotgun" the upper, it costs hundreds of dollars more, and will be less reliable. When firing, the stock will be in the same length as a normal setup.
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Posted: 11/16/2015 12:23:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see the point. It is only 1.5" shorter than an M4 receiver extension, the stock has to be fully extended to "shotgun" the upper, it costs hundreds of dollars more, and will be less reliable. When firing, the stock will be in the same length as a normal setup. For some select group of people that extra 1.5" matters a great deal. It is not for everyone but when you need it, you need it. It can shoot fully collapsed unlike a folder (which you may only get 1 shot). I disagree with the statement that it will be less reliable. It still remains to be seen since we can't say our buffer system have been tested as rigorously and as long as the MilSpec Carbine Buffer System. However, under some of the most common configurations we have tested, the buffer system performed flawlessly in full-auto & semi-auto. The recoil impulse is also better due to our proprietary buffer & spring system design. These are feedback from some of the top experts in the industry. I know it is sometimes counter intuitive for people to look at our products and think Lighter but Stronger? Lower Profile but More Ergonomic? Shorter but More Reliable? It is not the norm but we have proven that time and time again it is possible. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:28:17 PM EDT
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I'm interested in seeing the recoil system.
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Gents, The (o)VERT PDW Lower & Stock System is designed to be a dedicated PDW SBR Rifle. The monolithic design was conceived by Battle Arms and we co-developed the stock mechanism with Cross Machine Tool hence the similarities. The stock housing is machined from one solid block of billet 7075T6 Aluminum as the lower receiver. It is lighter and stronger than your traditional bolt-on stock system that is only as strong as the buffer tube. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/Monolithic_zpspu8errby.jpg There are a few major differences between our version and the CMT version: 1. Compact 4.75" Stock Length - It is about 1" shorter than CMT fully collapsed 2. Proprietary Buffer System - Our ultra compact buffer system is the key that allowed the stock to be only 4.75" long and the ability to use any MilSpec M16 Bolt Carrier. No proprietary BCG or adapter required. Ability to "shotgun" the upper. 3. Lightweight & Ambi Design - Receiver design is patterned after our BAD556-LW Lightweight Receiver but with FULL AMBIDEXTROUS CONTROLS. Built-In Ambi Mag Release & Built-In Ambi Bolt Release. CMT is ambi as well but our design is a bit different. As for pricing, our lower comes almost complete (less trigger group), not stripped. It is packed full of our latest new product releases. The total value is over $1100 and the package sale price is $899 a great value if you dig a bit deeper to understand exactly what quality products that are included.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/FX5_8553_zpsi76opbgi.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/FX5_9185_zpsyptzcjbl.jpg If the original design was for an SBR then can we go through a form 4 via Battle Arms development for the transfer rather than doing it ourselves on a form 1? I hate the engraving part and would love an original BAD SBR or better yet a MG......but that will have to wait until the law is changed or a lawsuit allow for us civis to have post 86 affordable MG again. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the original design was for an SBR then can we go through a form 4 via Battle Arms development for the transfer rather than doing it ourselves on a form 1? I hate the engraving part and would love an original BAD SBR or better yet a MG......but that will have to wait until the law is changed or a lawsuit allow for us civis to have post 86 affordable MG again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you are local, we can transfer it to your local FFL as a SBR and you will then have to do the paperwork there to transfer it to you. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:58:45 PM EDT
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This is what I did with my billet lower and upper set from you guys. I wanted the configuration with the PDW stock but at the time this SBR was made it was not available so I used the MVB. I love you guys billets! They are the sexiest billet upper and lower on the market imo. I hope I can afford this one in the next few months
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Posted: 11/16/2015 2:03:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Looking great! Our PDW Stock System is going to be on pre-sale price of $399 plus we will throw in a mystery surprise worth about $25 (a new Battle Arms Product). Rainier will also have a presale before us at $379 (no mystery item).
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Posted: 1/15/2016 4:02:20 AM EDT
[#28]
Any builds out there willing to share some pics?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:40:51 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any builds out there willing to share some pics? Please try our social media pages for latest images www.facebook.com/battlearms www.instagram.com/battlearms |
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Posted: 1/17/2016 8:31:12 PM EDT
[#30]
please make a 9mm version for Colt mags
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Posted: 1/20/2016 12:22:25 AM EDT
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Will this have an option of coming with a matched upper?
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Posted: 1/20/2016 6:04:06 AM EDT
[#32]
I really like the concept. I already have 2 SBRs on the bland forged Aero precision lowers with the ambi PDQ bolt catch
but if anyone comes up with a monolithic lower that includes an ambi bolt CATCH, I guess I'm getting a third SBR lower I dont need...but freaking want! |
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Posted: 1/20/2016 8:56:34 PM EDT
[#33]
60 day rule
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