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Posted: 6/23/2015 10:28:35 PM EDT
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For anyone wondering what a full length carbine looks like....
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Posted: 6/24/2015 1:55:15 AM EDT
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For those asking about length
"Its about 2" longer than a typical PWD stock and 2" shorter than a Mil-Spec carbine stock. Because this stock's design features cheek weld, which other PDW designs do not, the compromise is 2 more inches in length." Found in this thread www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/676187_PDW_Style_Stock_Buyers_Guide__List_of_whats_Available__Prices__and_Reviews.html&page=1 |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 12:22:46 PM EDT
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For those asking about length "Its about 2" longer than a typical PWD stock and 2" shorter than a Mil-Spec carbine stock. Because this stock's design features cheek weld, which other PDW designs do not, the compromise is 2 more inches in length." Found in this thread www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/676187_PDW_Style_Stock_Buyers_Guide__List_of_whats_Available__Prices__and_Reviews.html&page=1 That's about the same as the UCIW I think. |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 6:13:13 PM EDT
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From the CA DOJ website: 12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. A thumbhole stock. A folding or telescoping stock. A grenade launcher or flare launcher. A flash suppressor. A forward pistol grip. This would have a pistol grip and a telescoping stock, making it illegal in CA as far as I can tell. I tried to search for updates on CA laws regarding telescoping stocks, and could not find anything. I don't want to derail this thread too much, so PM me if you want to discuss this further. Back on topic, this lower looks like it rocks, and someday I will definitely own one. It looks like the perfect host for a 300BLK short upper with a suppressor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this OK for California? I assume it is still considered a stripped AR15 rifle lower, correct? Because this has a stock built in, this is legally a "rifle" when sold. The stock is also a collapsible stock, and therefore would be illegal in CA, as it is a rifle that fits the assault weapons definition of CA. We can have collapsable stocks in CA - it's NY I believe that requires fixed stocks only for rifles. From the CA DOJ website: 12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. A thumbhole stock. A folding or telescoping stock. A grenade launcher or flare launcher. A flash suppressor. A forward pistol grip. This would have a pistol grip and a telescoping stock, making it illegal in CA as far as I can tell. I tried to search for updates on CA laws regarding telescoping stocks, and could not find anything. I don't want to derail this thread too much, so PM me if you want to discuss this further. Back on topic, this lower looks like it rocks, and someday I will definitely own one. It looks like the perfect host for a 300BLK short upper with a suppressor. I didn't go off topic I asked if this specific item being advertised for sale by the OP - Rainier Arms - was legal in my state. Wasn't asking a general or hypothetical query to everyone, or start a discussion on CA byzantine gun laws. It was a "Yes" or "No" question. And the answer is "YES" this lower is legal for CA just checked. Thought I would get a faster succinct response here, but that wasn't to be. Sometimes a phone call is still best. |
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Posted: 6/24/2015 9:41:13 PM EDT
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And the answer is "YES" this lower is legal for CA just checked. Thought I would get a faster succinct response here, but that wasn't to be. Sometimes a phone call is still best. Glad you were able to determine that it is legal for your jurisdiction. 
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Posted: 6/24/2015 10:49:25 PM EDT
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Glad you were able to determine that it is legal for your jurisdiction. https://40.media.tumblr.com/c877c3cf135267e61dc708e5e06b6c3a/tumblr_nqh8mtELgu1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And the answer is "YES" this lower is legal for CA just checked. Thought I would get a faster succinct response here, but that wasn't to be. Sometimes a phone call is still best. Glad you were able to determine that it is legal for your jurisdiction. https://40.media.tumblr.com/c877c3cf135267e61dc708e5e06b6c3a/tumblr_nqh8mtELgu1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg Thanks. And also thanks for the amazing pictures - will be adding one of these to the collection. |
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Posted: 6/25/2015 8:54:31 AM EDT
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Any chance we could get just a black cheek piece instead of the carbon fiber?
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Posted: 6/25/2015 1:35:08 PM EDT
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Any chance we could get just a black cheek piece instead of the carbon fiber? A box of new cheek pieces just arrived, I'll check. |
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Posted: 6/25/2015 7:46:42 PM EDT
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That's about the same as the UCIW I think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For those asking about length "Its about 2" longer than a typical PWD stock and 2" shorter than a Mil-Spec carbine stock. Because this stock's design features cheek weld, which other PDW designs do not, the compromise is 2 more inches in length." Found in this thread www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/676187_PDW_Style_Stock_Buyers_Guide__List_of_whats_Available__Prices__and_Reviews.html&page=1 That's about the same as the UCIW I think. That's why I wanted to know. The UCIW is a stock, with accompanying cheekweld, commonly available for $105. For my $ this has to be either shorter, lighter, or otherwise more durable/better. We already know this looks better in Stickmans photos, but that's normal. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 4:36:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2015 10:05:05 AM EDT
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That is sexy!
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Posted: 6/27/2015 12:43:06 PM EDT
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I clicked the link before reading the description and thought damn, $625 is a lot for this. After reading the full description and doing a little math this is actually a pretty good deal, especially for something this unique.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:04:12 AM EDT
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Stick, does this mean Centurion will be offering 300 BLK barrels soon?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 6:39:53 PM EDT
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Stick, does this mean Centurion will be offering 300 BLK barrels soon? I thought they already were.... I know I have a few of their 300BLK uppers. 
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Posted: 6/30/2015 6:40:23 PM EDT
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Cross Machine and Tool has just released cheek pieces in a variety of colors.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 12:16:25 PM EDT
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Cross Machine Tool Integrated Lower System - UHP15PDW shown here with the stock retracted, yet still allowing access to the ambi controls. https://41.media.tumblr.com/aecbbcef40683167c64e1fcbad737f76/tumblr_nqdf3mHgzT1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg What upper receiver is that? ETA: Found it http://www.smosarms.com/collections/upper-receivers/products/sm15-matched-set |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 1:50:07 PM EDT
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Cross Machine and Tool has just released cheek pieces in a variety of colors. https://40.media.tumblr.com/e6742e1aaff9254541038aaae0061361/tumblr_nqs448URdq1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg Am I the only one who wants this in solid black without the carbon fiber?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 9:51:30 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who wants this in solid black without the carbon fiber? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cross Machine and Tool has just released cheek pieces in a variety of colors. https://40.media.tumblr.com/e6742e1aaff9254541038aaae0061361/tumblr_nqs448URdq1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg Am I the only one who wants this in solid black without the carbon fiber? Nope, not the only one. I've never been a fan of the carbon fiber look in general, but especially not on an AR. If I were to buy one, I'd end up rattle-canning it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 2:59:44 PM EDT
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Nope, not the only one. I've never been a fan of the carbon fiber look in general, but especially not on an AR. If I were to buy one, I'd end up rattle-canning it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cross Machine and Tool has just released cheek pieces in a variety of colors. https://40.media.tumblr.com/e6742e1aaff9254541038aaae0061361/tumblr_nqs448URdq1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg Am I the only one who wants this in solid black without the carbon fiber? Nope, not the only one. I've never been a fan of the carbon fiber look in general, but especially not on an AR. If I were to buy one, I'd end up rattle-canning it. If you guys want, I can check with them and see if it is something they will offer. |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 7:09:24 AM EDT
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If you guys want, I can check with them and see if it is something they will offer. Living in NY, I'm not really the intended market for such a lower. I was just giving my support to an aesthetic opinion. However, I'd be willing to bet that The_Hammer and I are not alone in that opinion, so they should definitely consider offering a non-CF version. Could offer it in black, FDE, OD, etc. |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 12:24:03 PM EDT
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Cross had already become my favorite upper receiver Manufacturer and now this.
Fantastic "out of the box" thinking. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 8:52:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2015 8:17:12 PM EDT
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Now I'm just waiting on my stamp..... 
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Posted: 7/16/2015 11:15:46 PM EDT
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PLEASE make a 9mm mawell variant, i am sick of wasted space of drop in magwells, a DDLES/Circ10 or GP style 9mm mag lower would be awesome with this stock.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 9:30:57 AM EDT
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PLEASE make a 9mm mawell variant, i am sick of wasted space of drop in magwells, a DDLES/Circ10 or GP style 9mm mag lower would be awesome with this stock. I would be interested in this as well. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 9:37:38 AM EDT
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PLEASE make a 9mm mawell variant, i am sick of wasted space of drop in magwells, a DDLES/Circ10 or GP style 9mm mag lower would be awesome with this stock. We'll pass on the idea to CMT. 
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:20:42 AM EDT
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PLEASE make a 9mm mawell variant, i am sick of wasted space of drop in magwells, a DDLES/Circ10 or GP style 9mm mag lower would be awesome with this stock. We'll pass on the idea to CMT. Awesome, that alone is enough to have me holding off on doing a Form 1 on another 9mm lower |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote Historybeautiful!! what front grip is that? |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:15:09 PM EDT
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beautiful!! what front grip is that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
beautiful!! what front grip is that? Per Stick... ...It is a Silynx VFG. It works the communications systems, lights, and the AN/PEQ15. No need to take hands off the weapon. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:36:55 PM EDT
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Does a PDW stock like this require a Form 1 Tax Stamp if it is going on a SBR?
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:47:05 PM EDT
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Does a PDW stock like this require a Form 1 Tax Stamp if it is going on a SBR? This receiver is integral to the lower receiver. It can't go ON an SBR because it would BE the SBR. Just like any receiver this would need to be registered as an SBR. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:50:59 PM EDT
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This receiver is integral to the lower receiver. It can't go ON an SBR because it would BE the SBR. Just like any receiver this would need to be registered as an SBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does a PDW stock like this require a Form 1 Tax Stamp if it is going on a SBR? This receiver is integral to the lower receiver. It can't go ON an SBR because it would BE the SBR. Just like any receiver this would need to be registered as an SBR. I see. I see PDW stocks similar to this without the receiver such as... https://troyind.com/products/pdw-stock-kit-blk If I were to install the Troy PDW on a SBR would it need to be a Form 1 SBR? |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 11:08:36 PM EDT
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I see. I see PDW stocks similar to this without the receiver such as... https://troyind.com/products/pdw-stock-kit-blk If I were to install the Troy PDW on a SBR would it need to be a Form 1 SBR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does a PDW stock like this require a Form 1 Tax Stamp if it is going on a SBR? This receiver is integral to the lower receiver. It can't go ON an SBR because it would BE the SBR. Just like any receiver this would need to be registered as an SBR. I see. I see PDW stocks similar to this without the receiver such as... https://troyind.com/products/pdw-stock-kit-blk If I were to install the Troy PDW on a SBR would it need to be a Form 1 SBR? An SBR is an SBR. How it was made isn't an issue. Home build or factory there's no legal difference in how they can be utilized or configured. Additionally, a stock is a stock. There's nothing that makes a "pdw" stock any different than an A2 (or any other stock) legally. You can use a PDW stock on whatever rifle you want, doesn't matter if it's a 7.5" .22 SBR or a 20" .308. ETA: Get an ATF NFA handbook and look up the legal definitions of various firearms instead of adding all sorts of nonsensical non-existent variables into your thought process. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 11:16:38 PM EDT
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An SBR is an SBR. How it was made isn't an issue. Home build or factory there's no legal difference in how they can be utilized or configured. Additionally, a stock is a stock. There's nothing that makes a "pdw" stock any different than an A2 (or any other stock) legally. You can use a PDW stock on whatever rifle you want, doesn't matter if it's a 7.5" .22 SBR or a 20" .308. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does a PDW stock like this require a Form 1 Tax Stamp if it is going on a SBR? This receiver is integral to the lower receiver. It can't go ON an SBR because it would BE the SBR. Just like any receiver this would need to be registered as an SBR. I see. I see PDW stocks similar to this without the receiver such as... https://troyind.com/products/pdw-stock-kit-blk If I were to install the Troy PDW on a SBR would it need to be a Form 1 SBR? An SBR is an SBR. How it was made isn't an issue. Home build or factory there's no legal difference in how they can be utilized or configured. Additionally, a stock is a stock. There's nothing that makes a "pdw" stock any different than an A2 (or any other stock) legally. You can use a PDW stock on whatever rifle you want, doesn't matter if it's a 7.5" .22 SBR or a 20" .308. My question was that unless I am mistaken a AR lower receiver (with a barrel < 16") does not need to be registered with a Form 1 if it is configured as a pistol with a pistol buffer kit. So...my real question is if theTroy PDW kit is considered a pistol buffer kit? ETA: Found the answer.....thanx. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 12:34:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat's that little device clamped on to the A2? |
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Posted: 7/21/2015 5:09:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2015 11:07:31 PM EDT
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Which 5-axis machine?
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Posted: 7/25/2015 6:44:07 AM EDT
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over 60 days
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Posted: 7/25/2015 6:44:45 AM EDT
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whoops!
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Posted: 7/26/2015 1:29:15 AM EDT
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Just look cool but useless
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Posted: 7/26/2015 1:45:41 AM EDT
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I was wrong carbon fibre good
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Posted: 7/26/2015 11:49:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2015 1:54:57 AM EDT
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Well shoot, it looks like my SBR .300 secondary upper is about to be a separate SBR on it's own.
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Posted: 8/23/2015 10:24:25 AM EDT
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60 day rule
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