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Posted: 3/28/2013 2:10:03 PM EST
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Hey folks

Were currently making 80% AR-15 Billet Lower Recievers and jigs.
-Our products are 100% american made
-3-D Machined from 7075 Billet
-Broached Magazine well
-Meet and exceed mil-spec tolerances and fits all commercially available parts and uppers
-Are available in mil-spec anodized finish

-We have received our ATF determination letter for our 80% lower. click this link to view. http://www.kearms.com/atf-letter

Lowers start at $99.95
We're constantly updating our site with new product so check it out www.KEarms.com

Soon to be released are Billet 80% AR-10 lowers & Uppers, AR-15 uppers too.
Looking forward to staying active on the forum and answering any questions you may have.
Lowers will be sold without company logo*




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Posted: 3/29/2013 6:28:06 AM EST
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$169! Sorry, but your trying to get post-ban prices in a pre-ban era, for an item that hinges on a ban, thats not going to happen. DannerTrax
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Posted: 3/29/2013 7:23:06 AM EST
In the current market, I don't think they'll have any trouble selling 80% lowers at the prices they're charging. Some folks aren't willing to wait for the right deal to come along. They'll spend whatever it takes to stockpile gear ... Drives the prices up, and drives me mad.
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Posted: 3/29/2013 8:43:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DannerTrax:
$169! Sorry, but your trying to get post-ban prices in a pre-ban era, for an item that hinges on a ban, thats not going to happen. DannerTrax


This is not a forging, nor is it made 6061 aluminum, a higher quality product cost more money to make. Were not having any problems moving them at this price, but thanks for sharing your opinion!

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Posted: 3/29/2013 1:37:02 PM EST
I would've like to have seen you use an integral trigger guard.
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Posted: 3/29/2013 4:31:40 PM EST
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Please tell us more about the jig. Thanks.
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Posted: 3/29/2013 6:03:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Please tell us more about the jig. Thanks.


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Posted: 3/29/2013 7:56:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DannerTrax:
$169! Sorry, but your trying to get post-ban prices in a pre-ban era, for an item that hinges on a ban, thats not going to happen. DannerTrax


Im with this guy. There is no ban, it has been turned down. For the price, might as well spring for a completely machined lower. No point in getting a paper weight that will cost close to 200$ after shipping. Then have to get a jig.

I support the 80% lowers, just not the outrageous prices. You may claim to be moving them at the current rate, but not as much as you would at a better price. I think 100$ should be more than sufficient. If not, YOU are getting ripped off on your materials.

You gotta think ahead, not in the now. Especially when 100% lowers can be had for 200$.
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Posted: 3/30/2013 5:44:12 AM EST
Especially when 100% lowers can be had for 200$.


Where can you find billet lowers for $200.00?
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Yeah. I am not paying that money for an 80%.

I will just wait a month or so for all of the idiots who bought 80%'s to realize no one is banning anything and they got in over their heads to sell them on the EE for half cost.

Or I will just buy a Seekin's forged for $130... I mean why would I buy this as opposed to that?

I would buy quite a few if they were priced reasonably at say $70 bucks or so but until then I will pass.
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Posted: 3/30/2013 8:28:55 PM EST
Whats up with the jig? Need info pronto.
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Here the problem I see. Its a pretty good price for a billet 7075 80% lower. But a person buys a billet lower for looks. We all know that forgings are stronger. So billet is a looks cool thing. Your lower looks more than a little like a stock forged lower. I am sure there are people who want the low profile look of a forged but the precision of a billet but you know as well as I do the overwhelming majority of people who buy billet do so for looks.
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Posted: 3/31/2013 8:03:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By demonsmokr:
Lowers for 200$ in stock.


Those are forged. Where can a guy find billet lowers for $200.00? ETA: I just found Mega's for $196.00 at Rainier but of course they are out of stock.


Some of you are completely missing the point of an 80% lower. Some guys are doing it for the enjoyment of machining/finishing it themselves. Guys who machine these themselves aren't doing it to save a few bucks. It's all about doing it yourself. It's no different than let's say building a kit car or building your AR15 yourself as opposed to buying one off the shelf.
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Posted: 3/31/2013 11:22:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By demonsmokr:
Lowers for 200$ in stock.


Those are forged. Where can a guy find billet lowers for $200.00? ETA: I just found Mega's for $196.00 at Rainier but of course they are out of stock.


Some of you are completely missing the point of an 80% lower. Some guys are doing it for the enjoyment of machining/finishing it themselves. Guys who machine these themselves aren't doing it to save a few bucks. It's all about doing it yourself. It's no different than let's say building a kit car or building your AR15 yourself as opposed to buying one off the shelf.


Your missing the point of economics. You are charging almost 200$ for an 80% lower that still requires further machining, and coatings. Who cares if its billet? There is no integral trigger guard, and it doesnt look special at all. Just looks like a forging. You are just trying to capitalize on a BAN thats NOT happening. Sure, people get the 80% to finish themselves, ALSO to have an unserialized, unregistered lower. That is more what this is about. You are trying to charge too much. If you charged 100$, Id buy two right now. Not one for 169, plus shipping and possibly tax. That would be over 200$, when you can just get the Aero for 200$ and start slapping pieces on right away.

Billet is nothing special, especially these. Now, Hogan, POF, Larue, Mega, those are good billets. Yours is just a paperweight.

I dont understand why people justify their outrageous prices simply because other people are out of stock. Last year parts were out of stock everywhere, but those with instock items werent price gouging. So, why gouge now?
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Posted: 3/31/2013 2:21:49 PM EST
$169.00 dollars is an insane price for a 80% lower. I don't care if it's made from Unobtainium!

You should consider a lower cost batch for those of us who just want normal 80% lowers.
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Posted: 3/31/2013 3:49:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By demonsmokr:
Lowers for 200$ in stock.


Those are forged. Where can a guy find billet lowers for $200.00? ETA: I just found Mega's for $196.00 at Rainier but of course they are out of stock.


Some of you are completely missing the point of an 80% lower. Some guys are doing it for the enjoyment of machining/finishing it themselves. Guys who machine these themselves aren't doing it to save a few bucks. It's all about doing it yourself. It's no different than let's say building a kit car or building your AR15 yourself as opposed to buying one off the shelf.


At least one person here understands..
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Posted: 3/31/2013 5:44:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By demonsmokr:

I dont understand why people justify their outrageous prices simply because other people are out of stock. Last year parts were out of stock everywhere, but those with instock items werent price gouging. So, why gouge now?


Where did they justify their pricing based on other companies inventory? Do you know their materials costs? Machining costs? Labor costs? I don't. Maybe they got in way over their heads or maybe they are tacking on more money due to the current situation to make an extra buck. If the market supports it then good for them. That's just smart business. But if the market doesn't allow it then they'll obviously have to make pricing changes or be priced out of the market. How many people sold or traded their stash of Pmags at insane prices, bragged about it here, and were cheered on? How is anyone being price gouged? You are free to either buy a product or not buy a product.
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Eh, I understand all of the free market arguments. I myself was just saying that personally I think anyone who buys one of these at that cost is completely insane. In my free market world I have no demand for that supply at that cost and never will.

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Posted: 3/31/2013 6:28:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DannerTrax:
$169! Sorry, but your trying to get post-ban prices in a pre-ban era, for an item that hinges on a ban, thats not going to happen. DannerTrax


This is not a forging, nor is it made 6061 aluminum, a higher quality product cost more money to make. Were not having any problems moving them at this price, but thanks for sharing your opinion!



Get it while you can because it won't last. the over price that is.

It would possibly be a "higher quality product" IF it was a 100% lower.
otherwise a forging is better.

a CNC'd part is bought for tighter tolerances as well as looks. the little bit (20%) that is done doesn't amount to much. fact not opinion.
break into the market with a product that is priced right , not on speculation. the market is correcting itself and these won't be inline.

your stuff, have at it.
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Posted: 3/31/2013 6:46:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By durabo:
Eh, I understand all of the free market arguments. I myself was just saying that personally I think anyone who buys one of these at that cost is completely insane. In my free market world I have no demand for that supply at that cost and never will.



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Eh, I understand all of the free market arguments. I myself was just saying that personally I think anyone who buys one of these at that cost is completely insane. In my free market world I have no demand for that supply at that cost and never will.




INSANE is a bit strong.

If you want the damn thing and they have one....and you don't want to wait frickin' four months.....then pay a few buck and get one.

Hell.......maybe I'll buy a couple.
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I just noticed it said "meets and exceeds milspec tolerances" so how exactly do you "exceed" milspec tolerances? And why would you want to? For that matter did you actually get your hands on the TDP to find out what those "milspec" tolerances are or did you just guess like everyone else?
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Posted: 4/2/2013 3:47:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Especially when 100% lowers can be had for 200$.


Where can you find billet lowers for $200.00?


You can get forged (which are better ) form rguns....since you asked...

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Completely not very excited about this.
Has no "billet appeal"....looks like a forged.

Be advised....here's your competition...
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