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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:33:39 PM
Originally Posted By Gifters:
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By Gifters:
Does anyone have this gas block, and can review it? Pictures are always good because I'm not that good at reading. Would like to know what rail you have it under as well. Thanks is advance Jason's been manufacturing a ton of adjustable gas blocks for our OEM use, actually for quite a while now... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_282/216218_very_brief_review_of_Spike_s_adjustable_gas_block__spoiler__it_s_great_.html Thanks for the link and response, I have one of your MidLength gas tubes on backorder from brownells... I'm curious to see if their are any interferences with common FF rail options. These gas blocks are micro in size so they will fit under pretty much any rail system that a regular non-adjustable micro (or low profile) gas block will fit under. The only combination I can think of that may be an issue is using a KAC URX rail with a carbine length gas system, it may not have the proper clearance for the detent button sense the gas block sits into a pocket in the underside of the rail. Also these gas blocks are adjustable from the front so you don't have to worry about accessing it through one of the side cut outs. The side cut outs vary in size and location depending on the rail, and different gas system lengths will also allow the gas block to land in many different locations. So having front adjustability is a huge benefit. |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:18:25 PM
How hard would it be to access one of these under an extra long forearm? Could accurate adjustments still be made from the front opening of the forearm with a long screwdriver et al?
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Posted: 3/31/2012 2:25:27 PM
[Last Edit: 3/31/2012 3:31:17 PM by badazzar15]
Originally Posted By futuremodal:
How hard would it be to access one of these under an extra long forearm? Could accurate adjustments still be made from the front opening of the forearm with a long screwdriver et al? The adjustable block comes with two extra long Allen keys, I believe they are 6" long. One is used to press the detent and the other one is used to adjust the valve. It's a little tricky at first, and if your not careful you can slip off the detent, but it's not that bad when you get the hang of it. You definitely want to make sure that the weapon is unloaded and it's usually easier to make adjustments when the upper isn't attached to the lower. It can be done as a complete weapon but your dealing with more length, more weight, and it's a little bulkier to deal with. IMO the ONLY down side to this block is, it's not super quick to make adjustments, and if you change the valves position frequently you'll have to learn the position of the valve visually or by counting the number of turns and then always verify it's position by shooting it. Like I was saying it's not really that bad once you get the hang of it but it's not something that I would call adjustable on the fly or in the field because of it's wide range of adjustment that isn't really identifiable unless it's adjusted all the way open or all the way closed. It's not your typical adjustable gas system or adjustable gas block with an on, off, or suppressed mode. This block allows for a much finer adjustment which really allows you to dial in the operating system PERFECTLY for ANY application (caliber, ammo, buffer weight, over gassed operating system, suppressed, unsuppressed, ect..). |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:43:51 PM
Originally Posted By badazzar15:
Originally Posted By futuremodal:
How hard would it be to access one of these under an extra long forearm? Could accurate adjustments still be made from the front opening of the forearm with a long screwdriver et al? The adjustable block comes with two extra long Allen keys, I believe they are 6" long. One is used to press the detent and the other one is used to adjust the valve. It's a little tricky at first, and if your not careful you can slip off the detent, but it's not that bad when you get the hang of it. You definitely want to make sure that the weapon is unloaded and it's usually easier to make adjustments when the upper isn't attached to the lower. It can be done as a complete weapon but your dealing with more length, more weight, and it's a little bulkier to deal with. IMO the ONLY down side to this block is, it's not super quick to make adjustments, and if you change the valves position frequently you'll have to learn the position of the valve visually or by counting the number of turns and then always verify it's position by shooting it. Like I was saying it's not really that bad once you get the hang of it but it's not something that I would call adjustable on the fly or in the field because of it's wide range of adjustment that isn't really identifiable unless it's adjusted all the way open or all the way closed. It's not your typical adjustable gas system or adjustable gas block with an on, off, or suppressed mode. This block allows for a much finer adjustment which really allows you to dial in the operating system PERFECTLY for ANY application (caliber, ammo, buffer weight, over gassed operating system, suppressed, unsuppressed, ect..). How many positions (clicks) would you say there are in one 360 degree rotation? |
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Posted: 4/1/2012 12:31:39 AM
One complete revolution would be four detented positions.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:37:29 AM
Timely seeing I'm starting a new upper build around a Templar Custom rail. Sweet!
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:51:32 AM
Looks like a nice piece. Adjustable gas blocks in .625 are nearly non-existent so you are sure going to make a lot of LW Carbine people happy. Any plans on doing a .625 railed version in the future? I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 4/9/2012 6:24:35 AM
Jason, in your experience: how much clearance do you need between the gas block and FF rail?
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Posted: 4/9/2012 7:33:31 AM
Really like the product only suggestion i would have is on the front of the detent have a small indentation that way you could use an awl or pick to push it in without the chance of it slipping off to the sides
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Posted: 4/10/2012 3:37:24 PM
Originally Posted By cgrant26:
Looks like a nice piece. Adjustable gas blocks in .625 are nearly non-existent so you are sure going to make a lot of LW Carbine people happy. Any plans on doing a .625 railed version in the future? I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I do plan on offering picatinny versions. I will most likely offer it in a .750 first then the .625. Jason |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 3:49:00 PM
These look very interesting. Will you be selling them exclusively, or will they be available at other retailers?
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Posted: 4/10/2012 3:50:31 PM
Originally Posted By Gifters:
Jason, in your experience: how much clearance do you need between the gas block and FF rail? Are you asking about clearance at a certain location between the block and FF (i.e. between the top of the block and the FF). Or are you asking in general at any location? Jason |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 4:03:56 PM
Originally Posted By culaine:
Really like the product only suggestion i would have is on the front of the detent have a small indentation that way you could use an awl or pick to push it in without the chance of it slipping off to the sides That is a very good point. The detent DOES NOT currently recess into the gas block when it is pressed in. I have gone back and forth about the following idea. I was thinking of adding a feature that does the following. Have the detent recess into the block when it is pressed in. The Hex key would protrude into the gas block detent hole. With the current design it is not that hard to keep the Hex on the detent. I will start testing the new concept and determine if there will be an update. |
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Posted: 4/10/2012 4:05:20 PM
Originally Posted By wjt1169:
These look very interesting. Will you be selling them exclusively, or will they be available at other retailers? Thank you. They are available at other retailers. |
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Posted: 4/15/2012 6:54:13 PM
Do you have any instructions for how to best adjust it? I just bought one for a 12.5" 6.8 SPC build. The barrel is mid-gas and I bought it bec. I am running it 100% suppressed.
I adjusted the GB based on ejection angle and everything seems fine, but it dawned on me later that the OPS-4 RH side charger upper does not have a brass deflector, so I'm not sure how accurate/useful the conventional wisdom about ejection angle is related to under/over gassed. I dont recall seeing any adjustment instructions, only installation instructions. I got it from Brownells. Right now it is ejecting at about 3:30. When I started it was about 1:30. |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 11:50:58 AM
[Last Edit: 4/19/2012 11:59:40 AM by majorpandemic]
I picked up both the .750 versions and now have them installed on my Mega Machine/Black Hole Weaponry and Aero Precision Monolithic Upper/White Oak Builds. I pinned White Oak stainless gas tubes to both the blocks.
These are the same size as my PRI and White oak low profile gas blocks I removed... nearly identical and would work even on very shallow free float tube as it would fit under the quite skinny Mega Monolithic upper's tube if it needed to. Very high quality gas blocks. My plan is to do a little testing/tuning with the Young Manufacturing Super light BCG and a standard National Match BCG. Currently I have adjustable gas blocks on five ARs, two of which I DIY'ed on a Spikes Tactical Mid-Length and a Model1 Dissipater. So far it seems the most dramatic results of an adjustable gas block have occured on a carbine length install, however I have had good results from my Spikes Mid-Length and JP 18" Rifle Length builds. The method I have been using to adjust the gas system is to shoot from the bench with a single round in the magazine. Shoot, if it locks backs, reduce the gas port pressure (turn the screw in) until the bolt no longer holds back. Then increase until it does hold back for three rounds, then increase gas pressure but a 1/2 turn. Repeat above process from a standing un-rested shooting position. If the bolt fails to hold back at any point, increase the gas pressure by 1/2 turn. After that exercise I have never had an issue. I am still validating, however it seems that if you reduce gas pressures you should also revert to a standard buffer. My Spikes with a H buffer was painful to adjust, but through that process I dropped in a standard buffer and everything worked perfectly at reduced gas pressures where the h buffer would not. Great product. |
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Posted: 4/19/2012 11:51:40 AM
[Last Edit: 4/19/2012 11:52:28 AM by majorpandemic]
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Posted: 4/21/2012 9:54:13 AM
Can anyone confirm whether this gas block in 0.750 will fit under a DD light rail 9"?
Thanks in advance. T. |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 11:08:33 AM
Mine fits under a micro sized Troy VTAC Alpha tube.
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Posted: 4/21/2012 11:47:25 AM
Originally Posted By Tokoloshe:
Can anyone confirm whether this gas block in 0.750 will fit under a DD light rail 9"? Thanks in advance. T. It will fit with room to spare. |
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Posted: 4/26/2012 12:25:45 AM
Does anyone have in tuning instructions for these? I guess the Syrac guy is AWOL from here now.
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:29:33 PM
Originally Posted By OdDuMet:
Does anyone have in tuning instructions for these? I guess the Syrac guy is AWOL from here now. Shoot me an email and I'll forward you the instructions. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 4:32:28 PM
[Last Edit: 5/1/2012 10:28:46 AM by Jason_Syrac_Ordnance]
Originally Posted By OdDuMet:
Do you have any instructions for how to best adjust it? I just bought one for a 12.5" 6.8 SPC build. The barrel is mid-gas and I bought it bec. I am running it 100% suppressed. I adjusted the GB based on ejection angle and everything seems fine, but it dawned on me later that the OPS-4 RH side charger upper does not have a brass deflector, so I'm not sure how accurate/useful the conventional wisdom about ejection angle is related to under/over gassed. I dont recall seeing any adjustment instructions, only installation instructions. I got it from Brownells. Right now it is ejecting at about 3:30. When I started it was about 1:30. This is how I adjust my personal rifles: The type of ammo you shoot through your rifle can and usually will make a difference on where you set the gas setting. I start by determining what ammo I am going to use to shoot through that rifle. Or you can use the lowest pressured ammo that you will shoot in the rifle. Using the lowest pressured ammo assures that the rifle will cycle with whatever you put in it. If you set it for the low pressured ammo and run high pressured ammo it might run faster than you want (more recoil). That is why I set it with specific ammo; The ammo I am going to usually shot through that rifle. The great thing about the gas block is that you can adjust it in the field to adjust to the ammo you are using. I set it while the rifle is dry (no oil). This way when you are shooting it and it gets dirty it will have a bit more force to run. If you set it when it is wet (oiled) and it drys out or gets dirty because of high fired rounds it can slow the carrier down and cause function issues. So, I initially set it while it is dry. The gas hole in the block is totally open when the gas screw is showing three thread out of the front of the gas block. This is your starting position for the gas screw. Three threads showing. Make sure the rifle is unloaded. Remove the magazine and visually inspect the chamber to make sure there is not a round in the chamber before you attempt to adjust the gas screw!! Remove the magazine, and visually clear the chamber every time you adjust the gas screw. 1. For the first adjustment of the gas screw, screw the screw IN three revolutions. If you need to repeat step 1, as defined in the following steps, then turn the screw IN one revolution. Make sure the screw is locked into place every time you adjust it. 2. Load the rifle with one round in the chamber and the magazine empty but locked in the mag well. 3. Fire a single shot. If the bolt locks back then screw the screw in a half a turn and repeat step 1 thru 3 until the bolt does not lock back. If you need to repeat step 1, then screw in the gas screw in ONE revolution. If the bolt did not lock back go to step 4. 4. If the bolt did not lock back then UNSCREW the screw one quarter of a turn. Load the rifle with one round in the chamber and an empty mag locked in the mag well. 5. Fire the single round. If the bolt locks back you are finished. If the bolt did not lock back then repeat 4 and 5 until the bolt locks back. 6. You can repeat steps 1 thru 5 with an oiled rifle to get the cycle rate down as low as possible. Revised |
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Posted: 5/2/2012 9:13:56 AM
Tracking says my .750" Syrac GB will be here on Friday. I'm looking forward to finishing-up the build and getting it to the range!
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Posted: 5/21/2012 2:56:45 PM
[Last Edit: 5/21/2012 3:10:21 PM by OdDuMet]
n/m
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