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GoufCustom
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Posted: 8/13/2011 12:23:49 AM
What is the CONOPS with this device.

From the video I gathered:
1: Pull Bolt to Rear
2: Depress Mag Release
3: Mag Fall Free
4: Let Bolt go while continuing to hold mag release
5: Bolt locked back and ready for a new mag


What happens if you press the mag release hard and then pull the bolt to the rear, any malfunctions or it is any hard to rack the bolt? I realize that on last round of every mag that the bolt catch is pressed against the bottom of the bolt carrier, similar to how your device will cause the bolt catch to ride the bottom of the bold carrier, my concern is that when you are pressing the mag release you are applying a larger amount of force than the mag spring would apply. I highly doubt there will be an issue, just wondering what your thoughts are on this. I also dont thing any considerable wear will be seen, as you would expect to not have to constantly use this device as you designed it, because using it often would mean there is something wrong with your AR, just like the FA, needing to use it all the time is not a good sign.

Lastly, have you seen any issues with upper/lower/bolt carrier combinations that dont allow you to release the magazine when the bolt it locked completely forward, or more importantly, when the bolt is jammed partially closed? Again, I assume you thought all this through, just asking because the videos are a little short.


Cool Idea, nice to see some thinking going on someplace other than the "major" manufactures.
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Posted: 8/13/2011 12:31:57 AM
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Originally Posted By GoufCustom:
What is the CONOPS with this device.

From the video I gathered:
1: Pull Bolt to Rear
2: Depress Mag Release
3: Mag Fall Free
4: Let Bolt go while continuing to hold mag release
5: Bolt locked back and ready for a new mag


What happens if you press the mag release hard and then pull the bolt to the rear, any malfunctions or it is any hard to rack the bolt? I realize that on last round of every mag that the bolt catch is pressed against the bottom of the bolt carrier, similar to how your device will cause the bolt catch to ride the bottom of the bold carrier, my concern is that when you are pressing the mag release you are applying a larger amount of force than the mag spring would apply. I highly doubt there will be an issue, just wondering what your thoughts are on this. I also dont thing any considerable wear will be seen, as you would expect to not have to constantly use this device as you designed it, because using it often would mean there is something wrong with your AR, just like the FA, needing to use it all the time is not a good sign.

Lastly, have you seen any issues with upper/lower/bolt carrier combinations that dont allow you to release the magazine when the bolt it locked completely forward, or more importantly, when the bolt is jammed partially closed? Again, I assume you thought all this through, just asking because the videos are a little short.


Cool Idea, nice to see some thinking going on someplace other than the "major" manufactures.


I'm on the design side... not the tactical training side... that said....

As of today two units have been shipped to a certain tactical trainer named Kyle... he is testing them in a class next week... he will probilbly be more suited to re-write the manual of arms than I...
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Posted: 8/13/2011 12:43:57 AM
Originally Posted By Freakzilla:


Originally Posted By GoufCustom:
What is the CONOPS with this device.

From the video I gathered:
1: Pull Bolt to Rear
2: Depress Mag Release
3: Mag Fall Free
4: Let Bolt go while continuing to hold mag release
5: Bolt locked back and ready for a new mag


What happens if you press the mag release hard and then pull the bolt to the rear, any malfunctions or it is any hard to rack the bolt? I realize that on last round of every mag that the bolt catch is pressed against the bottom of the bolt carrier, similar to how your device will cause the bolt catch to ride the bottom of the bold carrier, my concern is that when you are pressing the mag release you are applying a larger amount of force than the mag spring would apply. I highly doubt there will be an issue, just wondering what your thoughts are on this. I also dont thing any considerable wear will be seen, as you would expect to not have to constantly use this device as you designed it, because using it often would mean there is something wrong with your AR, just like the FA, needing to use it all the time is not a good sign.

Lastly, have you seen any issues with upper/lower/bolt carrier combinations that dont allow you to release the magazine when the bolt it locked completely forward, or more importantly, when the bolt is jammed partially closed? Again, I assume you thought all this through, just asking because the videos are a little short.


Cool Idea, nice to see some thinking going on someplace other than the "major" manufactures.


I'm on the design side... not the tactical training side... that said....

As of today two units have been shipped to a certain tactical trainer named Kyle... he is testing them in a class next week... he will probilbly be more suited to re-write the manual of arms than I...


if kyle approves these will sell like hot cakes
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Posted: 8/13/2011 12:57:19 AM
Very cool idea! For those of you who are not on the design or manufacture end of products keep in mind the time, design time, machine time, and materials it took to get to this point! If you think the price is too much look at the cost of some of the popular parts these days! The Norgon Ambi-Catch is a prime example. Great part but a bit pricey! The great thing is that if you don't feel its worth the money you don't need to purchase it! Looks like a very innovative product!! Congrats guys!
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Posted: 8/13/2011 11:21:18 AM
If you continue to spew crap in this thread, I can arrange it so you can't post here anymore.

So, keep your trash talking to yourself.

Buy it or don't. But don't spew your stupidity here.

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Posted: 8/13/2011 7:41:05 PM
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Posted: 8/14/2011 11:10:04 AM
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Benefits of the Firearm Control Device when compared to extended levers like the BAD

-FCD is not an extended lever, but actually works to REMOVE a STEP from the process.

-FCD will not cause the accidental locking of bolt to the rear mid magazine.

-FCD will not prevent the bolt from locking on the last round.

-FCD has absolutely no chance of breaking off.

-FCD is not in your trigger guard.



I'm not posting this comparison to knock the BAD or any product... just stating facts.

If you want the BAD lever, go post in the BAD lever thread... if you want the FCD it is available here

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_25/899738_A_REV_ENGINEERING_FIREARM_CONTROL_DEVICE____AVAILABLE_NOW.html
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Posted: 8/15/2011 10:31:03 AM
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Originally Posted By Freakzilla:

Originally Posted By LeoAtrox:
Originally Posted By Paps-Zapf:
So would it be safe to say it will not work if you have a Magpul BAD?


Buuuut ... If you have one of those billet receivers with the POF-style ambi bolt release, this device would be the perfect compliment. Hopefully we'll get one that is compatible with most (if not all) billet receivers.

I'm confident the FCD will work for some billet receivers... the problem is learning "which ones" will be trial and error... somebody with both a forged and billet needs to test fit


Alright, I'll bite on one for my POF (when the funds are available). I can always stick it on something else if it doesn't fit.
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Posted: 8/15/2011 12:24:14 PM
I have been waiting for these to come out for a while. I for sure will be saving up for one. The price may be a bit steep, but not so steep that it dissuades me from buying it. For me the BAD lever (or whatever it is called) is more of a bandaid fix, but this seems to be a great addition to the rifle that is well worth the price. If they were cheaper I would buy several of them. I am sure that eventually all of my rifles will have one, but for now I have to have at least one. I am not complaining about the price really, I just wish I had more money to buy more of them is all.

Personally, I say thank you for developing this product.
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Posted: 8/15/2011 7:59:29 PM

Originally Posted By DM1975:
I have been waiting for these to come out for a while. I for sure will be saving up for one. The price may be a bit steep, but not so steep that it dissuades me from buying it. For me the BAD lever (or whatever it is called) is more of a bandaid fix, but this seems to be a great addition to the rifle that is well worth the price. If they were cheaper I would buy several of them. I am sure that eventually all of my rifles will have one, but for now I have to have at least one. I am not complaining about the price really, I just wish I had more money to buy more of them is all.

Personally, I say thank you for developing this product.


Thank you for your support

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Posted: 8/16/2011 8:19:59 AM
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Definitely interested in trying this out. I was just a few days ago discussing with my GF that something like this was missing, as I personally dislike the feel of the BAD sticking out so close to the trigger.

Any plans to accept other payment methods in the future?
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Posted: 8/16/2011 5:59:06 PM
An interest device. Unfortunately it's incompatibility with the bad lever makes it unusable for me. Is it in any way possible to make the two products compatible?

Would it be possible to get the earlier version that comes in from the front? That would work with the phase 5 bad lever copy since it is all one piece instead of a clamp on.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 12:04:53 PM
Originally Posted By Seth247:
An interest device. Unfortunately it's incompatibility with the bad lever makes it unusable for me. Is it in any way possible to make the two products compatible?

Would it be possible to get the earlier version that comes in from the front? That would work with the phase 5 bad lever copy since it is all one piece instead of a clamp on.


This is just my opinion but the BAD lever is just... well... Bad. I would rather use my non-firing hand during the sweeping motion from magazine to fore grip or use my charging handle to drop my bolt rather than have a lever in my trigger housing tho jack with. A gloved hand looks to me that it would just aid in getting in the way. However, this product takes a han transition completely out of the picture during a malfunction, which is an important step in my opinion.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 7:59:09 PM
The voice of the people has been heard, the part is now $59.99

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Posted: 8/17/2011 8:09:48 PM
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The voice of the people has been heard, the part is now $59.99



if only i had the money!!!
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Posted: 8/17/2011 9:19:43 PM
Interesting product. I think I've found the "mag catch" for my next build.
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Posted: 8/17/2011 10:36:16 PM
Originally Posted By Freakzilla:

Originally Posted By LeoAtrox:
Originally Posted By Paps-Zapf:
So would it be safe to say it will not work if you have a Magpul BAD?


Buuuut ... If you have one of those billet receivers with the POF-style ambi bolt release, this device would be the perfect compliment. Hopefully we'll get one that is compatible with most (if not all) billet receivers.

I'm confident the FCD will work for some billet receivers... the problem is learning "which ones" will be trial and error... somebody with both a forged and billet needs to test fit


I have a mega billet ambi lower. Ill risk it.

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Posted: 8/17/2011 11:24:53 PM
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Dan_Gray,

No risk.

Full refund if it doesn't work for your lower

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Posted: 8/17/2011 11:35:31 PM
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Dan_Gray,

No risk.

Full refund if it doesn't work for your lower...

Kind Regards,


Don't tell him that!!! If it doesn't work on his, I'm gonna "borrow" it to "try" on my other forged lower.

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Posted: 8/18/2011 12:00:34 AM
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The voice of the people has been heard, the part is now $59.99



Quit twisting my arm now... You had me at "Hey, I got an idea!"
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Posted: 8/18/2011 12:03:53 AM
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Originally Posted By Seth247:
An interest device. Unfortunately it's incompatibility with the bad lever makes it unusable for me. Is it in any way possible to make the two products compatible?

Would it be possible to get the earlier version that comes in from the front? That would work with the phase 5 bad lever copy since it is all one piece instead of a clamp on.


This is just my opinion but the BAD lever is just... well... Bad. I would rather use my non-firing hand during the sweeping motion from magazine to fore grip or use my charging handle to drop my bolt rather than have a lever in my trigger housing tho jack with. A gloved hand looks to me that it would just aid in getting in the way. However, this product takes a han transition completely out of the picture during a malfunction, which is an important step in my opinion.


The Bad lever makes reloads and clearing faster and smoother for me. That is all that matters. I think most people who bash it don't have one. I shoot often and often shoot with gloves and in odd positions(my local range has weekly training sessions) I've never once had any un intentional contact with the bad lever due to gloves or it's placement in the trigger area. No problems with the lever at all really. You can manipulate the lever through all of its functions without even stickin your finger into the trigger guard since it sticks out, locking the bolt backs requires a bit of pressure from the finger to get it to bend in far enough to engage the tip it the lever, but dropping the bolt is as easy as swiping your finger down the outside of the lower.

Due to the BADs slight disadvantage in locking the bolt back, requiring you to slightly hyperextend your trigger finger, I think combining it with this device would be optimal. I understand that making this device work with the bad lever would be dificult to impossible and maybe compromise the design, which is why I ask about making one work with the phase v lever.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 12:11:06 AM
Actually, I've just realized I'm planning to use the arfcom billet lower for my next build anyway and since it allready has the releas built in, i wont need the bad lever, so I'll definitely be hitting you up for one of these before long. Especially at the new price. Keep
Up the good work guys! I look forward to seeing future A Rev Eng products.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 12:15:46 AM
Originally Posted By Seth247:
Originally Posted By DM1975:
Originally Posted By Seth247:
An interest device. Unfortunately it's incompatibility with the bad lever makes it unusable for me. Is it in any way possible to make the two products compatible?

Would it be possible to get the earlier version that comes in from the front? That would work with the phase 5 bad lever copy since it is all one piece instead of a clamp on.


This is just my opinion but the BAD lever is just... well... Bad. I would rather use my non-firing hand during the sweeping motion from magazine to fore grip or use my charging handle to drop my bolt rather than have a lever in my trigger housing tho jack with. A gloved hand looks to me that it would just aid in getting in the way. However, this product takes a han transition completely out of the picture during a malfunction, which is an important step in my opinion.


The Bad lever makes reloads and clearing faster and smoother for me. That is all that matters. I think most people who bash it don't have one. I shoot often and often shoot with gloves and in odd positions(my local range has weekly training sessions) I've never once had any un intentional contact with the bad lever due to gloves or it's placement in the trigger area. No problems with the lever at all really. You can manipulate the lever through all of its functions without even stickin your finger into the trigger guard since it sticks out, locking the bolt backs requires a bit of pressure from the finger to get it to bend in far enough to engage the tip it the lever, but dropping the bolt is as easy as swiping your finger down the outside of the lower.

Due to the BADs slight disadvantage in locking the bolt back, requiring you to slightly hyperextend your trigger finger, I think combining it with this device would be optimal. I understand that making this device work with the bad lever would be dificult to impossible and maybe compromise the design, which is why I ask about making one work with the phase v lever.


You may have me there to an extent. I personally see no issues in using my non firing hand to close the bolt as my hand is already there from inserting a magazine, but if I tried it I may like it. I am not above admitting I do not know it all. I have seen several different variations of this and some look big gnarly and intrusive and some look nice and sleek. If I can get a nice and trim one that would work with this lever then I may just like it a whole lot, but to me the speed in malfunction drills are a priority to me.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 8:40:39 AM
Now that's a price that will work for me. I'll be ordering one within the week.
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Posted: 8/18/2011 8:46:37 AM

Originally Posted By richtherake:
Now that's a price that will work for me. I'll be ordering one within the week.


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