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Posted: 1/6/2011 12:38:46 PM EST
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Posted: 1/6/2011 2:02:05 PM EST
Wow, that's pretty cool. That's going to be a sweet hunting round. Who's producing it?
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Posted: 1/6/2011 4:25:06 PM EST
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Wow, that's pretty cool. That's going to be a sweet hunting round. Who's producing it?


Looks like it says Federal Cartridge.
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Posted: 1/6/2011 4:30:22 PM EST
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Wow, that's pretty cool. That's going to be a sweet hunting round. Who's producing it?


Looks like it says Federal Cartridge.




I couldn't see it on my phones screen.
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Posted: 1/6/2011 4:36:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ArmaNotSoLite:
Wow, that's pretty cool. That's going to be a sweet hunting round. Who's producing it?


Looks like it says Federal Cartridge.




I couldn't see it on my phones screen.


I like it too , fellow in variants forum has had an almost identical (?) cartridge running for a little while . Commercialy loaded would be sweet.

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Posted: 1/6/2011 6:19:00 PM EST
Here is the link to what we have been doing with a similar cartridge.

25-223AR

Our version of this cartridge was inspired by Kurt's 25-40mm that is also discussed on the same forum.

I think that "25-223AR is a better name for the cartridge and would also market better.

I would have to see the actual brass... But I think that we did it better because we fixed the "cant" problem with the mags.

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Any side by side comparison pictures of the bullets?
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Posted: 1/7/2011 6:53:59 AM EST
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The loaded cases will look something like this

25-223AR

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Any side by side comparison pictures of the bullets?


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Do you guys already have a die maker lined up that is producing dies for these and if so who? If not how long before they would be available?. Will you have anything for sale at the shot show related to this offering???
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Posted: 1/7/2011 6:44:55 PM EST
Since I have one of 320pf's .25-223 barrels and have enjoyed working up some handloads for it, I'm eagerly waiting to see some commercial acceptance of my favorite new caliber.
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If the case length is left at 45mm, that is going to severely restrict which bullets can used. I will reserve judgment until ballistics are posted.
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Posted: 1/8/2011 2:58:29 AM EST
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If the case length is left at 45mm, that is going to severely restrict which bullets can used. I will reserve judgment until ballistics are posted.


I will buy a bunch of brass and or ammo as soon as I can get my hands on it.

One of my fears when hunting with my .25-223 is getting jacked up by a game cop for an illegal caliber. My barrel is unmarked,my receiver says 5.56, and the brass says .223. Would be very nice to have brass that reflects.caliber.
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If the case length is left at 45mm, that is going to severely restrict which bullets can used. I will reserve judgment until ballistics are posted.


I will buy a bunch of brass and or ammo as soon as I can get my hands on it.

One of my fears when hunting with my .25-223 is getting jacked up by a game cop for an illegal caliber. My barrel is unmarked,my receiver says 5.56, and the brass says .223. Would be very nice to have brass that reflects.caliber.


Already been down that road. He started out as a complete jerk thinking he really had me. Once I got him to listen to me and look at the rounds I had on me he was very enthusiastic about my 6x45. In fact he said he was going to get once himself. Of course according to him it was still my fault for his wrong assumption.......

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Posted: 1/8/2011 4:41:55 AM EST
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Fortunately, as SAAMI members this will be a standardized release so it should ease adoption and distribution, plus having a partnership on it with Federal is obviously a huge plus.... ...Folks like yourselves and others all the way back to Blackwell and Wooters in the 60's have been tinkering with a case of about this size with bullet in the 25 Cal arena. After playing with it for a while here, we decided to go ahead and push it through the system so everyone could get to play.......




Is this going to be a proprietary round like the 6.5 Grendel where everyone has to pay you a fee to play or is it open to the world?

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Posted: 1/8/2011 4:52:30 AM EST
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-Heavier loads duplicate 30/30 150-170gr class energy levels


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What barrel length?

.30-30 is making ~1,800 ft lbs of energy. Gotta push the .25-223 pretty hard to get up to that. My current loads with the 87 gr bullet are only making about 1,400 ft lbs (16" barrel) From punching some numbers in a ballistics calculator looks like a 100 gr bullet needs about 2,900 fps to get to 1,800 ft lbs of energy. I think 320pf's loads are only getting 1,600 ft lbs of energy.

I really do want to see the specs. (I know, at or after shot show I'll have to wait a few more days) I would love to see it reach those levels, but I'm guessing not from a 16" carbine.



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Posted: 1/10/2011 6:59:56 PM EST
good job ...the brass and most of the tooling is common to 556 so the costs should be affordable with a big increase in power ––awesome !
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What bullets will work with this case and still be loadable to AR magazine well length (2.25")? Others and I have had good results with bullets up to 100gr (2500-2600fps from a 16" barrel depending on powder) out of the .25-223 and the 80gr Barnes looks promising as a hunting bullet but I'm not sure they will be usable in an AR without trimming the case back to the shorter 1.7" length used for the .25-223. What is the exact trim length of the .25-45? I'm assuming 1.75, like .223, but I would like confirmation.
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Now that I have a chrongraph I can shoot the 30_30 and get some real world numbers on it to compare with my .25-223
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Posted: 1/11/2011 10:00:49 AM EST
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What bullets will work with this case and still be loadable to AR magazine well length (2.25")? Others and I have had good results with bullets up to 100gr (2500-2600fps from a 16" barrel depending on powder) out of the .25-223 and the 80gr Barnes looks promising as a hunting bullet but I'm not sure they will be usable in an AR without trimming the case back to the shorter 1.7" length used for the .25-223. What is the exact trim length of the .25-45? I'm assuming 1.75, like .223, but I would like confirmation.


Exactly. For us 25-223 guys we must know... Also, with the case at 45mm and necked up to 257 I would think this rounds will have problems with some magazines.
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Posted: 1/11/2011 12:12:12 PM EST
For us .25-223 guys it should be pretty easy to mod the .25-45 Sharps cases if we have to. From what has been released so far it sounds like they simply necked the .223 up to .257 and we will probably have to trim the cases a bit. No big deal we do that with the .223 cases we use already.


The real question is will the .25-45 Sharps work in our chambers. And for that I think we'll just have to wait until the real announcement at the Shot Show.
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Posted: 1/11/2011 3:38:59 PM EST
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Do you guys already have a die maker lined up that is producing dies for these and if so who? If not how long before they would be available?. Will you have anything for sale at the shot show related to this offering???


RCBS is online as part of our agreement with Federal/ATK. Should be online following Shot.


I will be looking for it on their website


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Posted: 1/18/2011 6:52:50 PM EST
Any updates on this now that SHOT is underway?


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You Sharps guys are killing me. All this talk and hype and now a new caliber to boot. Give me a brake.
I have a Colt A2 Govt Carbine i am getting ready to sell off to put some cash aside for one of your sticks and now you throw this new caliber in the mix.
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I think this is all a fairy tail, there's no actual gun. No pics, no cartridge pics.
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Posted: 1/28/2011 4:51:36 PM EST
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I think this is all a fairy tail, there's no actual gun. No pics, no cartridge pics.


A couple .25-223 owners (including the guy who put together that wildcat, 320pf) talked with the Sharps guys at SHOT. It sounds like the .25-45 Sharps is for real but may be farther out than most of us assumed when they posted about it here. I am surprised there hasn't been the info posted after SHOT as promised though.
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I think this is all a fairy tail, there's no actual gun. No pics, no cartridge pics.

A couple .25-223 owners (including the guy who put together that wildcat, 320pf) talked with the Sharps guys at SHOT. It sounds like the .25-45 Sharps is for real but may be farther out than most of us assumed when they posted about it here. I am surprised there hasn't been the info posted after SHOT as promised though.

If it's not actually finalized yet, maybe they will yet trim the neck length back a little to solve the magazine rib cant issue.

IMO this is an excellent cartridge concept, but self-sabotaged if they leave the mag cant problem in play.
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I think this is all a fairy tail, there's no actual gun. No pics, no cartridge pics.

A couple .25-223 owners (including the guy who put together that wildcat, 320pf) talked with the Sharps guys at SHOT. It sounds like the .25-45 Sharps is for real but may be farther out than most of us assumed when they posted about it here. I am surprised there hasn't been the info posted after SHOT as promised though.

If it's not actually finalized yet, maybe they will yet trim the neck length back a little to solve the magazine rib cant issue.

IMO this is an excellent cartridge concept, but self-sabotaged if they leave the mag cant problem in play.



They'll have to trim the case back to less than 41mm to get the casemouth off the rib and "solve" the mag cant "problem"




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Posted: 1/28/2011 10:01:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By uptown1:
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Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By MaverickCowboy:
I think this is all a fairy tail, there's no actual gun. No pics, no cartridge pics.

A couple .25-223 owners (including the guy who put together that wildcat, 320pf) talked with the Sharps guys at SHOT. It sounds like the .25-45 Sharps is for real but may be farther out than most of us assumed when they posted about it here. I am surprised there hasn't been the info posted after SHOT as promised though.

If it's not actually finalized yet, maybe they will yet trim the neck length back a little to solve the magazine rib cant issue.

IMO this is an excellent cartridge concept, but self-sabotaged if they leave the mag cant problem in play.



They'll have to trim the case back to less than 41mm to get the casemouth off the rib and "solve" the mag cant "problem"



I'm more concerned with the ability to use 100gr bullets than I am about mag cant. A 100gr bullet at 2600fps from a 16" barrel is a viable huntng or defensive load that I would hate to see excluded from the start.
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Posted: 1/28/2011 10:36:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By uptown1:
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By Altair:
Originally Posted By MaverickCowboy:
I think this is all a fairy tail, there's no actual gun. No pics, no cartridge pics.

A couple .25-223 owners (including the guy who put together that wildcat, 320pf) talked with the Sharps guys at SHOT. It sounds like the .25-45 Sharps is for real but may be farther out than most of us assumed when they posted about it here. I am surprised there hasn't been the info posted after SHOT as promised though.

If it's not actually finalized yet, maybe they will yet trim the neck length back a little to solve the magazine rib cant issue.

IMO this is an excellent cartridge concept, but self-sabotaged if they leave the mag cant problem in play.



They'll have to trim the case back to less than 41mm to get the casemouth off the rib and "solve" the mag cant "problem"



I'm more concerned with the ability to use 100gr bullets than I am about mag cant. A 100gr bullet at 2600fps from a 16" barrel is a viable huntng or defensive load that I would hate to see excluded from the start.


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Posted: 2/20/2011 6:49:36 AM EST
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Last I checked the 6.5 Grendel still hasn't been standardized as of yet, but our picture is to use what control we have to influence and enhance supply. Examples, make sure that they actually put 25-45 Sharps on the barrel if they are making it not just 25-45 S. Make sure only quality makers are churning out components, etc. We are already talking, and have been talking, major players that I'm restricted by NDA to discuss, but who make thousands of rifles a month. So we going to do everything we can to get this round out there, and to the market, with as low of a cost as possible. Our belief is we'll do the best by making this as widely available at as practical of a price as possible. Case in point, Jamison and the WSM. I don't know what the fee was/is, but it was something like $5 a box. That's 0.25 cents a round. As a manufacturer I can say that is a huge price add and a price add like that at the initial manufacturing stage gets applied as it gets multiplied by the wholesaler's mark up, dealer's mark-up etc. We won't handicap this round like that.

That's a good way to go about it. High royalty fees stifle the chances of a cartridge gaining widespread popularity.
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Posted: 4/18/2011 10:20:35 PM EST
Sounds interesting. I'm curious as to what type of effective range these babies will have.
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Posted: 4/22/2011 10:17:11 PM EST
I think Sharps is done, or at the very least doesn't give 2 shits about this board. No posts, no updates, no replys, no news.

Their gas system and rail looks suspiciously like the Leitner-Wise MOD.1 http://leitner-wise.com/mod1.html
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Posted: 4/25/2011 9:54:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By Austin_Nichols:
I think Sharps is done, or at the very least doesn't give 2 shits about this board. No posts, no updates, no replys, no news.

Their gas system and rail looks suspiciously like the Leitner-Wise MOD.1 http://leitner-wise.com/mod1.html


Probably because 320Pf's 25-223 (or 25AR) is a better design allowing 100 gr bullets and no magazine issues.
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Posted: 4/25/2011 11:57:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By Austin_Nichols:
I think Sharps is done, or at the very least doesn't give 2 shits about this board. No posts, no updates, no replys, no news.

Their gas system and rail looks suspiciously like the Leitner-Wise MOD.1 http://leitner-wise.com/mod1.html


Definetly a lesson in how not to use the internet for marketing.
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Posted: 4/25/2011 7:56:24 PM EST
Or possibly because they come on here and talk smack about their garbage products and then fail to deliver.. Remember the lowers? The company shill was loud and proud how they "are the equal of anything from Noveske or LMT". Well I bought three of those pieces of shit and each one took 3-4hrs of dremel work, drilling, and hand filing to mate with an upper. I was test fitting with a Colt, Bushmaster and BCM upper. I wouldn't give you a pint of piss for anything made by ShARps
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Posted: 4/28/2011 1:03:09 AM EST
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