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Posted: 2/18/2007 2:02:07 PM EDT
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Will it fit under a YHM forearm without modification of said forearm?
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Posted: 2/18/2007 4:43:45 PM EDT
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Purely speculating based off hearsay, it appears you'll need a tube with a least a .9" radius from the centerline of the bore to the inside of the rail. And as for what may be available without modification ? The URX which requires a special barrel nut wrench. For those of us using a low profile gas block, the POF Predator (which raises your sight radius by a half an inch). I'm going to wait and see if TROY offers anything. Rumor has it, they may. As a second choice, the LWRC handguard looks promising. It appears it will work with the ARES system with little or no modification. LWRC Handguard |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:15:04 PM EDT
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Has anyone tried a Vltor CAS-V with one of these? Also will they work with an H-bar?
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Posted: 3/7/2007 8:58:42 AM EDT
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DPMS AP-4... $800 ARES piston kit for short barrels... $400 random surplus ammo... $150 targets and assorted range fees... $25 attempting to slam a company on AR15.com when it doesn't work, selling it to another arfcommer and getting called out on your inability to order the right parts... PRICELESS any ETA on the rifle length kit? i assume that the ARES kit works with low-pro gas blocks? |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 5:36:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2007 7:52:39 PM EDT
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Stoner would not be happy! its a lot harder to design direct gas than a piston system. M16 should always be direct! down with the piston!!!
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Posted: 3/9/2007 12:42:08 PM EDT
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General question; Has anybody installed this on a 16" barrel, and has anybody installed this with just a gas block as opposed to a full front site gas block? How'd they perform, any problems?
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Posted: 3/13/2007 10:26:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2007 2:46:23 PM EDT
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Brilliant!
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Posted: 3/15/2007 8:18:44 PM EDT
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I have an idea for clamping the piston housing to the barrel to eliminate the "wiggle". Possibly a hose clamp wrapped around the piston housing and the barrel with a spacer between the two to maintain alignment. Well for testing to see if a clamp would affect accuracy or reliability.
The proper way would be to machine a clamp to fit the contours of the barrel and piston housing. It would be similar in practice as the clamps used on shotguns with magtube extensions. Just my two cents since the "wiggle" could be accounting for some binding and accuracy loss. |
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Posted: 3/15/2007 8:26:00 PM EDT
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Things clamped to the bbl are not good for accuracy, nor do they hold, the bbl should be as free as possible to vibrate unhindered.
The piston system should be securely fixed to the front sight base/gas block. |
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Posted: 3/15/2007 8:39:45 PM EDT
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If its secure on the gas block why is it wiggling? Wouldent that cause a loss in acuracy? Wouldent the weight added to the gas block affect the barrel harmonics anyway? I'm just sujesting my idea be tested. Maby it would work maby not. Hence testing. |
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Posted: 3/16/2007 2:26:34 AM EDT
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I can accept that any weight added to the barrel would change the point of impact. But since the added weight and/or spring tension is constant, wouldn't the shift in POI be constant as well?
Seems to me that a lot of people don't like the change because it IS change. |
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Posted: 3/16/2007 4:12:04 PM EDT
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Change can be good. I supose with a little tweeking the clamp could even act as a harmonic ballancer. I think further testing would be nessisary. |
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Posted: 3/17/2007 11:57:21 AM EDT
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If you want "your idea" tested, buy one and do it. "Your idea" has many disadvantages, More hassle installing/removing More things contacting the bbl-(read bad) more screws to shake loose (which they will without red locktight, and then they'll be a bitch to remove) plus a huge logistical problem due to the MANY bbl diameter variations, mount would pretty much be custom job unless you have a standard profile bbl, read increased cost. Otherwise, I hope they make improvement on what seems to be a great idea, chrome line the inside, secure it better if it wiggles (to the FSB), and that "bushing" does not look secure to me, does it rely on the roll pin principle to stay put? Wish it locked in somehow if this is the case. |
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Posted: 3/17/2007 12:39:05 PM EDT
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How hot do the handguards get with the gases venting below the handguard?
I worked on Walt Langendorfer's Rhino conversion kits when I worked for him in the 80s. His gas cylinder mounted in the front site vented upwards infront of the forward site. If your hand slid over the vent holes you would get burned. In full auto the handguards got real hot real fast. When dumping a lot of ammo in semi auto they also heated up. Sometimes the handguard got too hot to hold. The vent holes did push the barrel down and did help recoil. Dane |
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Posted: 3/17/2007 2:09:23 PM EDT
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The gas vents upwards so it is not a problem. The vents are within a couple of inches of the front sight base, further forward that where you normally grip an AR/M16. I doubt seriously if you could actually "burn" your hand even if you held it there on purpose. I have dumped two Beta-C's on full auto with mine and did not notice any excessive heat other than one damn hot barrel.  There must have been a lot of gas being vented with the old timey Rhino system. That is just not the case with the new stuff. I also have a good deal of time with my POF and LW piston uppers and none present a severe heating problem on full auto. Most of the heat I feel is the same as with DI on full auto. Wear gloves.  if you know it is gonna get hot. Nomex is your frend with machine guns,
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Posted: 3/18/2007 4:29:00 AM EDT
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Dose Ares have any inclination twords making a left-handed bolt carrier?
I would be very interested. |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 1:16:12 PM EDT
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Heck, I'd settle for just a mid-length system...
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Posted: 3/18/2007 3:24:52 PM EDT
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Denny,
Thanks for the detailed info (with pics)! Much appreciated. |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 3:52:56 PM EDT
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Not that I have discussed with them. |
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Posted: 3/18/2007 3:53:58 PM EDT
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The middy will be coming up next. summer some time I am told. I await it myself,. |
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Posted: 3/19/2007 9:46:00 AM EDT
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I just installed my second Ares. I'm hooked!
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Posted: 3/19/2007 5:33:22 PM EDT
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Denny,
when are you getting more of these? Jorge |
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Posted: 3/19/2007 5:45:35 PM EDT
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thats what i was kookin for... 
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Posted: 3/21/2007 2:53:04 PM EDT
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Anyone know is Ares is selling the railed handguard that would fit around this kit yet?
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Posted: 3/26/2007 9:35:58 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=298471&page=2
You can't really put a folding stock on, can you? The carrier still fills the upper, and the buffer and spring are still necessary to return the bolt to battery? On closer inspection, it doesn't look like there's a carrier in the upper in the pic that shows the right side of an AR with folder. |
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Posted: 3/27/2007 11:24:52 AM EDT
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no you can use a folding stock with it. the only piston driven uppers you can use a folding stock with is the ZM weapons and the Oyl. Arms. |
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Posted: 3/27/2007 12:29:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2007 3:53:42 PM EDT
[#32]
Here Denny this is the second thread ive posted these pics in, people are probably getting tired of seeing them. Ive got the whole write up over at M4C.net. In the AR technical discussion forum under "OK... gas system converted".
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/seth_100/DSCN1207.jpg http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/seth_100/DSCN1206.jpg http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/seth_100/DSCN1210.jpg http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/seth_100/DSCN1213.jpg http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/seth_100/DSCN1245-1.jpg http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/seth_100/DSCN1256-1.jpg |
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Posted: 3/28/2007 11:45:16 AM EDT
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Denny, any idea when you'll see more of these kits? Or are those already sold out too???
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Posted: 3/29/2007 12:40:17 PM EDT
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Denny told me a month ago it would be at least 4 to 6 months before it was available. He may have said 6 to 8 months. BTW- today is the 3/29/07. |
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Posted: 3/31/2007 12:55:02 AM EDT
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Talked to Jeff at ARES today and he said around two weeks for new carbine kits |
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Posted: 3/31/2007 10:12:14 AM EDT
[#36]
takin' orders Denny?
Jorge |
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Posted: 4/2/2007 8:09:40 PM EDT
[#37]
ZM and OLY don't make piston uppers, AFAIK. I'm pretty sure both of the uppers you refer to are DI uppers, with a spring in the handguards or something like that. Guess I'll wait for a MASADA. |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 5:34:51 PM EDT
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Does anybody have these in stock? Has it gone the way of the Shrike?
Jorge |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 6:18:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Your right they dont make piston uppers, They say that the system stays cooler and cleaner though. It sure as hell aint worth over $1700.00, in my opinion. |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 4:01:35 AM EDT
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I have a Troy MRF-C on my 11.5 any idea if material needs to be removed from it to function with the Ares? Just from eye inspection there appears to be about a 1/2" of space currently as these differ from the Surefire handguards. Just wondered if anyone had bought this system with those handguards?
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Posted: 4/13/2007 8:20:20 AM EDT
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Yes, the pics above are of troy rail work I did. |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 10:10:50 AM EDT
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I joined this forum today expressly to find out the details & user reviews of this ARES GSR-35 Gas Piston Kit. This thread is EXACTLY what I was looking for! I'm an old, experienced gunhand finally building my first AR. Don't laugh...after decades of 1911 & Hi-Power shooting I just bought my first GLOCK last year (old dog/new tricks).
Enough chit-chat. In gathering the parts to assemble my new Gas Piston AR, what parts required for a conventional AR are NOT needed? It seems to be just the bolt/carrier assembly & the gas tube...is that correct? I ask because I have no interest in replacing new parts with new parts. I've decided on building a dedicated Gas Piston rifle to begin with. Hell, I have parts around the shop for guns I haven't owned in 15 years. I would like to avoid that (as much as possible) with this project. Thanks for your help. |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 1:42:23 PM EDT
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Lemme know when they make one to fit a midlength. I much prefer the longer sight radius. ( not to mention my go-to rifle is a middy )
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Posted: 4/13/2007 1:55:31 PM EDT
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There is talk of a recall on some parts for these things, its the first production run, theres bound to be some issues. Anyway, If I were you I would wait until all the new parts are out, then order one. When you order it though, Denny is the man. GlobalTactical.com BTW- there is stuff all over the place on the gsr35 here and m4carbine.net to. |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 5:32:10 PM EDT
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Ghost-Tracker,
Gas tube and bolt carrier (and gas rings but you typicaly get those with a bolt). As OTSS said, it might be a good idea to wait until ARES comes out with the next iteration. There is another thread here somewhere with the details of the changes coming. 300 rds dr with mine and no problems related to the piston system. Oh, and welcome. |
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Posted: 4/13/2007 5:58:47 PM EDT
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Hey speedy. I would like to know where this thread is, if you know. BTW- keep your eye on your gas tube roll-pin, they break easy. Just letting you know if you havnt been inlightened yet. See Ya man. |
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Posted: 4/27/2007 8:02:36 PM EDT
[#47]
Sweet!
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Posted: 4/28/2007 2:48:39 PM EDT
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What exactly are the changes to the ARES? I have one already and just wondering if I need to be worried about the one I own.
C77
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Posted: 4/29/2007 5:14:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2007 3:47:42 PM EDT
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BTW- Denny, have you heard anything more about when the recall will take affect and how we will all find out what to do. Thanx a ton in advance.
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