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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:37:02 PM EDT
Hi,
What can you tell me about the rifle from a photo? 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:40:17 PM EDT
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Looks like a cut down M16A1 with annXM177E2 moderator w/grenade ring.
Full curve 30rd mag too. Cool pic! |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a cut down M16A1 with annXM177E2 moderator w/grenade ring. Full curve 30rd mag too. Cool pic! |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:49:15 PM EDT
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Handguard probably from XM177, but grip? I think that isn't grip from M16A1. :)
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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:53:39 PM EDT
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Cant help ya but neat picture! I like the sling setup he has!
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Posted: 5/2/2016 5:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Handguard probably from XM177, but grip? I think that isn't grip from M16A1. :) |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 6:08:20 PM EDT
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Mike,
Do you happen to know the date or year the photo was taken? Just curious. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 6:21:21 PM EDT
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If it isn't an improvised grip maybe he ordered some kind of aftermarket slip over rubber grip sleeve.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 6:29:04 PM EDT
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Ok I see now, it does look like a carbine upper.
Grip is just an A1 grip wrapped in cloth or tape. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 7:54:41 PM EDT
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Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 8:20:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/XM177FullStock_zpsnriskutv.jpg |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 9:50:31 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly it's in the Mekong very late 66 or early 67, I forget the name of the operation, I have it somewhere. XM177E1 with full curve mag, with full stock.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 9:59:09 PM EDT
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Grip looks like an A1 grip wrapped in leather or rubber with P cord around it and a leather or rubber
piece on the bottom held on with p cord, maybe to store something in the grip? extra bolt or something? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:00:17 PM EDT
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Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/XM177FullStock_zpsnriskutv.jpg You have a sp1 mg? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:11:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:08:20 PM EDT
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You have a sp1 mg? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/XM177FullStock_zpsnriskutv.jpg You have a sp1 mg? Yes, not factory of course. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:27:17 PM EDT
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Does you buffer and spring system sound awful lol? Sprongggggg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/XM177FullStock_zpsnriskutv.jpg ????? Not sure what "awful" sound the buffer and spring makes. Guns are noisy, and my hearing is not what it was anyway. BTW, if there's any confusion, that second photo of a full-stocked shorty is archival VN not of me. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:50:09 PM EDT
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Yes, not factory of course. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/73cc9f70-3add-40ba-9e50-172cff14dbcc_zpspmsngc7u.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/XM177FullStock_zpsnriskutv.jpg You have a sp1 mg? Yes, not factory of course. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/73cc9f70-3add-40ba-9e50-172cff14dbcc_zpspmsngc7u.jpg Cool! I love the SPROOONG sound of a full stock AR 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:36:36 PM EDT
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Bicycle tubes.. the original Vietnamese Magpul grip..
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:05:37 PM EDT
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Just about all my hunting set ups are 16 inch uppers and solid stock lowers, love the combo. Very cool picture.
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Posted: 5/3/2016 10:33:39 PM EDT
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 inner tubes .... the closest thing you could get to an ergo-grip in the late '60's early '70's. |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 3:37:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ????? Not sure what "awful" sound the buffer and spring makes. Guns are noisy, and my hearing is not what it was anyway. BTW, if there's any confusion, that second photo of a full-stocked shorty is archival VN not of me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/XM177FullStock_zpsnriskutv.jpg ????? Not sure what "awful" sound the buffer and spring makes. Guns are noisy, and my hearing is not what it was anyway. BTW, if there's any confusion, that second photo of a full-stocked shorty is archival VN not of me. |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 7:50:42 PM EDT
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With a rifle buffer and spring on a carbine system it just has a really strong spring sound like a pogo stick lol, at least in my opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not an uncommon modification, XM-upper on a rifle lower. I've done done the same thing with my FA lower, and it's a great combo. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj105/strela_photos/XM177FullStock_zpsnriskutv.jpg ????? Not sure what "awful" sound the buffer and spring makes. Guns are noisy, and my hearing is not what it was anyway. BTW, if there's any confusion, that second photo of a full-stocked shorty is archival VN not of me. Hmmm. I never noticed on this gun. The muzzle blast is most noticeable to me. I never shoot it on semi. |
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Posted: 5/7/2016 2:59:50 PM EDT
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Thank you for your help! :)
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Posted: 5/10/2016 9:24:39 AM EDT
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Photos of this combo come up from time to time. Here is one I found on the internet years ago.
I heard that the short barreled E1 had problems with erratic rates of fire. Maybe this was cured by using the full stock lower with longer/heavier buffer? 
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Posted: 5/14/2016 11:42:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf you look at the mag pouch is that not a early style commonly used by the cia? |
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Posted: 5/14/2016 12:11:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2016 4:47:36 PM EDT
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As for the grip, I have seen some grips in the arms room where they wrapped rubber "friction tape" around the grips to make them larger and easier to hold onto when wet or sweaty. A guy I worked with in the 90s was a SEAL in Vietnam in the earlier days. He used a BAR belt. He said it held lots of "mags and frags!".
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