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How can you tell the real deal USGI handguard from the airsoft ones?
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Im not sure. I just bought one off of the EE from a seller that had two. Has the sights with it. I believe the earliest ones where metal.
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The Airsoft ones will feel cheap and flimsy by comparison. The real ones are thick, and sturdy, and probably already beat to shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How can you tell the real deal USGI handguard from the airsoft ones? The Airsoft ones will feel cheap and flimsy by comparison. The real ones are thick, and sturdy, and probably already beat to shit. Everything I see online looks the same. I see on eBay that there are a few listed and some are selling for high dollar. They are listed as USGI but who knows if its airsoft or not. I'm thinking I should just back off and not do the build. But I want to. How flimsy will the airsoft be? |
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Just to clarify, you're looking for the Rifle handguards that fit around the rifle's barrel, above the 203, not the ribbed 203 handguard/grip, right?
I see the handguards all the time on GB, and I haven't seen any on there that I would guess were Airsoft. For one, Airsoft Handguards generally don't have heat shields. They're just plastic, all around. Real 203 Handguards are plastic, with aluminum heat shields. They've got a different material (ceramic? Bakelite? more different plastic? something more fragile than the rest, I have a set that's broken) for the front end, which goes into the triangle handguard retainer. Those pieces are riveted to the plastic/heat shields. I can't imagine an Airsoft outlet that would go through the trouble necessary to reproduce all of that. Generally they are just a single casting of plastic. Here's an example on GB now: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=553382394 You can see the heat shields through the holes, and there's a good close up of the front end where you can see the front bits riveted to the rest of the handguard. Edit: All of the "M203 Handguards" I found on E-Bay looked legit to me. (and beat to shit, like I said before) |
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Quoted: Just to clarify, you're looking for the Rifle handguards that fit around the rifle's barrel, above the 203, not the ribbed 203 handguard/grip, right? I see the handguards all the time on GB, and I haven't seen any on there that I would guess were Airsoft. For one, Airsoft Handguards generally don't have heat shields. They're just plastic, all around. Real 203 Handguards are plastic, with aluminum heat shields. They've got a different material (ceramic? Bakelite? more different plastic? something more fragile than the rest, I have a set that's broken) for the front end, which goes into the triangle handguard retainer. Those pieces are riveted to the plastic/heat shields. I can't imagine an Airsoft outlet that would go through the trouble necessary to reproduce all of that. Generally they are just a single casting of plastic. Here's an example on GB now: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=553382394 You can see the heat shields through the holes, and there's a good close up of the front end where you can see the front bits riveted to the rest of the handguard. Edit: All of the "M203 Handguards" I found on E-Bay looked legit to me. (and beat to shit, like I said before) View Quote The heat shield appears to be the same thickness. The way they melted the plastic tabs over the heat shield looks a little less professional than the real ones. I think it will hold up assuming the plastic doesn't have some kind of significant issue with heat or colt. Unless you have a real m203 and planning to go into battle with this rifle, have a full auto that will get red hot, or live in sub-artic temperatures I don't see why the airsoft one wouldn't last a life time. Honestly the plastic is probably better than what they were using in the 70's and 80's and afterall it's just a replica unless you get a real m203 in which case you've got the money for a real handguard. |
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The actual handguard on the one I shot @ Benning was so loose I imagine you could get minute of moose with it.
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I have a couple of usgi and an g&p airsoft one. It has all the same features of the real deal. It is a little more flexible than the real ones, which might be a good thing as it doesn't seem like it would easily chip, though who knows if it gets extremely cold or hot. The plastic seems like something from a good quality tupperware product. The heat shield appears to be the same thickness. The way they melted the plastic tabs over the heat shield looks a little less professional than the real ones. I think it will hold up assuming the plastic doesn't have some kind of significant issue with heat or colt. Unless you have a real m203 and planning to go into battle with this rifle, have a full auto that will get red hot, or live in sub-artic temperatures I don't see why the airsoft one wouldn't last a life time. Honestly the plastic is probably better than what they were using in the 70's and 80's and afterall it's just a replica unless you get a real m203 in which case you've got the money for a real handguard. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just to clarify, you're looking for the Rifle handguards that fit around the rifle's barrel, above the 203, not the ribbed 203 handguard/grip, right? I see the handguards all the time on GB, and I haven't seen any on there that I would guess were Airsoft. For one, Airsoft Handguards generally don't have heat shields. They're just plastic, all around. Real 203 Handguards are plastic, with aluminum heat shields. They've got a different material (ceramic? Bakelite? more different plastic? something more fragile than the rest, I have a set that's broken) for the front end, which goes into the triangle handguard retainer. Those pieces are riveted to the plastic/heat shields. I can't imagine an Airsoft outlet that would go through the trouble necessary to reproduce all of that. Generally they are just a single casting of plastic. Here's an example on GB now: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=553382394 You can see the heat shields through the holes, and there's a good close up of the front end where you can see the front bits riveted to the rest of the handguard. Edit: All of the "M203 Handguards" I found on E-Bay looked legit to me. (and beat to shit, like I said before) The heat shield appears to be the same thickness. The way they melted the plastic tabs over the heat shield looks a little less professional than the real ones. I think it will hold up assuming the plastic doesn't have some kind of significant issue with heat or colt. Unless you have a real m203 and planning to go into battle with this rifle, have a full auto that will get red hot, or live in sub-artic temperatures I don't see why the airsoft one wouldn't last a life time. Honestly the plastic is probably better than what they were using in the 70's and 80's and afterall it's just a replica unless you get a real m203 in which case you've got the money for a real handguard. Sorry, wasn't trying to imply that one couldn't run with airsoft handguards, I'm sure they'd hold up just fine to our average hobbiest use. I was just trying to express the differences I've seen between airsoft handguards (in general, not 203 handguards specifically), and real handguards. For my part, I don't really see why you wouldn't get the real thing given their abundance and relative inexpensiveness. I haven't seen nearly as many airsoft 203 handguards as I have real (or seemingly real) ones. But to each his own. They're all clones/replicas anyway. Do what you like. |
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Quoted: This what you want? It's not airsoft. http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/mancow_photos/public%20folder/20160421_002726_zpsvmqb8rng.jpg http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/mancow_photos/public%20folder/20160421_002718_zpsye2e4kov.jpg View Quote You can tell that is the real deal because the plastic dots along the heatshield are nice and molded. The ones on my airsoft handguard look kind of sloppy |
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Well, finding the King Arms Colt's marked ones is a real challenge. I can find none in the US, only out of country. I find that most cant ship out of their country to me. Bummer!
But....I just found one in HK that says they are in stock, have the Colt's mkgs, will ship to the US and at a reasonable price. I ordered after hours (12hrs difference) so I hope to hear from them late this evening. If everything is as stated, I'll post pics when it arrives. Here's the link: http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/p4898/King-Arms-M203-Grenade-Launcher-Mil-/-Long/product_info.html?CDpath=1 Fingers crossed |
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Quoted: Well, finding the King Arms Colt's marked ones is a real challenge. I can find none in the US, only out of country. I find that most cant ship out of their country to me. Bummer! But....I just found one in HK that says they are in stock, have the Colt's mkgs, will ship to the US and at a reasonable price. I ordered after hours (12hrs difference) so I hope to hear from them late this evening. If everything is as stated, I'll post pics when it arrives. Fingers crossed View Quote http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Launchers_Related_Parts_G_P_G_P_Military_Type_M203_Grenade_Launcher_Long.htm |
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Quoted: Well, finding the King Arms Colt's marked ones is a real challenge. I can find none in the US, only out of country. I find that most cant ship out of their country to me. Bummer!
But....I just found one in HK that says they are in stock, have the Colt's mkgs, will ship to the US and at a reasonable price. I ordered after hours (12hrs difference) so I hope to hear from them late this evening. If everything is as stated, I'll post pics when it arrives. Here's the link: http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/p4898/King-Arms-M203-Grenade-Launcher-Mil-/-Long/product_info.html?CDpath=1 Fingers crossed View Quote http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/p4898/King-Arms-M203-Grenade-Launcher-Mil-/-Long/product_info.html?CDpath=1 $87, no less, lol. |
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If anyone wants to try the G&P one here is the link for ordering from Hong Kong http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Launchers_Related_Parts_G_P_G_P_Military_Type_M203_Grenade_Launcher_Long.htm View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well, finding the King Arms Colt's marked ones is a real challenge. I can find none in the US, only out of country. I find that most cant ship out of their country to me. Bummer! But....I just found one in HK that says they are in stock, have the Colt's mkgs, will ship to the US and at a reasonable price. I ordered after hours (12hrs difference) so I hope to hear from them late this evening. If everything is as stated, I'll post pics when it arrives. Fingers crossed http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Launchers_Related_Parts_G_P_G_P_Military_Type_M203_Grenade_Launcher_Long.htm The same site also lists another version that is 30% heavier than the above listed $84 variety (1.3 kg, which is the same weight as an original) complete with Colt markings for $142 plus shipping. This appears to be the MOST ACCURATE one out there. If you order one of the green gas shells with it, use RWSALE2014 for 10% off the shell. The shells go "boom" and give off a cloud of smoke when fired. |
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The same site also lists another version that is 30% heavier than the above listed $84 variety (1.3 kg, which is the same weight as an original) complete with Colt markings for $142 plus shipping. This appears to be the MOST ACCURATE one out there. If you order one of the green gas shells with it, use RWSALE2014 for 10% off the shell. The shells go "boom" and give off a cloud of smoke when fired. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well, finding the King Arms Colt's marked ones is a real challenge. I can find none in the US, only out of country. I find that most cant ship out of their country to me. Bummer! But....I just found one in HK that says they are in stock, have the Colt's mkgs, will ship to the US and at a reasonable price. I ordered after hours (12hrs difference) so I hope to hear from them late this evening. If everything is as stated, I'll post pics when it arrives. Fingers crossed http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Launchers_Related_Parts_G_P_G_P_Military_Type_M203_Grenade_Launcher_Long.htm The same site also lists another version that is 30% heavier than the above listed $84 variety (1.3 kg, which is the same weight as an original) complete with Colt markings for $142 plus shipping. This appears to be the MOST ACCURATE one out there. If you order one of the green gas shells with it, use RWSALE2014 for 10% off the shell. The shells go "boom" and give off a cloud of smoke when fired. If you can find them, they make mini-tennis balls as dog toys, which fit very well in the 40mm tube. Using an empty shell, you can launch them quite a ways. Lots of fun. |
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I have a King Arms one w/ the Colt markings since my state sucks & doesn't allow DDs. I hadn't realized that until I'd looked for a DD dealer. My wife said she'd get me an LMT M203 if I went along with her wanting to buy a house.
It's going on an M16A2 clone build. Just mocking it up I've noticed the front bracket has a significant gap. I need to have a shim or something made to take up the space. And this is going on a Windham 20" gov't profile A2 barrel. All in all it looks really nice but it's still Airsoft. The first one I'd gotten had been damaged in shipping with some tiny little inside piece broken. The vendor got it taken care of fine. ETA: I got mine in Feb. '15 for $64.95 from airrattle.com Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Well, now I hear from the seller in Hong Kong, they don't ship these to the US either. Damn! Only ones I can find that are Colts marked are all overseas and no one will ship to the US. Double Dog Damn!!
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Quoted: The same site also lists another version that is 30% heavier than the above listed $84 variety (1.3 kg, which is the same weight as an original) complete with Colt markings for $142 plus shipping. This appears to be the MOST ACCURATE one out there. If you order one of the green gas shells with it, use RWSALE2014 for 10% off the shell. The shells go "boom" and give off a cloud of smoke when fired. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, finding the King Arms Colt's marked ones is a real challenge. I can find none in the US, only out of country. I find that most cant ship out of their country to me. Bummer! But....I just found one in HK that says they are in stock, have the Colt's mkgs, will ship to the US and at a reasonable price. I ordered after hours (12hrs difference) so I hope to hear from them late this evening. If everything is as stated, I'll post pics when it arrives. Fingers crossed http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Launchers_Related_Parts_G_P_G_P_Military_Type_M203_Grenade_Launcher_Long.htm The same site also lists another version that is 30% heavier than the above listed $84 variety (1.3 kg, which is the same weight as an original) complete with Colt markings for $142 plus shipping. This appears to be the MOST ACCURATE one out there. If you order one of the green gas shells with it, use RWSALE2014 for 10% off the shell. The shells go "boom" and give off a cloud of smoke when fired. |
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If you guys are looking for those h/gs watch Ebay or gunbroker.. ive seen the real USGI ones listed on there every few weeks...
And probably better priced than the airsoft... way less... The USGI version has a NSN number on the top, raised plastic letters.... Some are more fibery some more polymer.. I thnk they were made at different plants all the same spec Inteested in a muzzleloader version |
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Quoted: I have a King Arms one w/ the Colt markings since my state sucks & doesn't allow DDs. I hadn't realized that until I'd looked for a DD dealer. My wife said she'd get me an LMT M203 if I went along with her wanting to buy a house.
It's going on an M16A2 clone build. Just mocking it up I've noticed the front bracket has a significant gap. I need to have a shim or something made to take up the space. And this is going on a Windham 20" gov't profile A2 barrel. All in all it looks really nice but it's still Airsoft. The first one I'd gotten had been damaged in shipping with some tiny little inside piece broken. The vendor got it taken care of fine. ETA: I got mine in Feb. '15 for $64.95 from airrattle.com Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote 37mm flare launchers are NOT DDs. |
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Found this video and thought you guys might enjoy it.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lj29QCm_Pg[/youtube] |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lj29QCm_Pg View Quote |
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Quoted: If you guys are looking for those h/gs watch Ebay or gunbroker.. ive seen the real USGI ones listed on there every few weeks... And probably better priced than the airsoft... way less... The USGI version has a NSN number on the top, raised plastic letters.... Some are more fibery some more polymer.. I thnk they were made at different plants all the same spec Inteested in a muzzleloader version View Quote |
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I talked with a guy on eBay who has at least eight sets of these. They are beat up and look the part. Some of them are even broken. I asked what numbers were on them and this is his reply.
"At the sight mount it is marked 8448377 8x897 on Hand Guards A & F some just have the part number." So tell me, what does this mean? Are they real? They are expensive too. |
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If they are "REAL" you cannot just buy them. No idea on the markings.
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If they are "REAL" you cannot just buy them. No idea on the markings. View Quote The handguards? I'm not following what you mean in not being able to just buy them. If you mean the M203 itself I understand that. I need to read what I typed maybe I typed it wrong earlier lol. I shouldn't type when I'm tired. The handguards on eBay that are being sold are being sold by the same person. There are like at least six maybe ten for sets for sale by the same person. Some are broken and some are in good shape just look really weathered. |
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No, probably my bad for readin too fast. I did think you meant the blasters.
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No, probably my bad for readin too fast. I did think you meant the blasters. View Quote No worries I do that too lol. Should see some of my text at times. Thank goodness so far it has only been to friends and not my bosses. I would love to own a real M203 but it is just a pipe dream lol. I will have fun with this build. I talked to Slim today and they do not have any M203 handguards. |
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It's going on an M16A2 clone build. Just mocking it up I've noticed the front bracket has a significant gap. I need to have a shim or something made to take up the space. And this is going on a Windham 20" gov't profile A2 barrel. All in all it looks really nice but it's still Airsoft. The first one I'd gotten had been damaged in shipping with some tiny little inside piece broken. The vendor got it taken care of fine. ETA: I got mine in Feb. '15 for $64.95 from airrattle.com Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 37mm flare launchers are NOT DDs. I've yet to find a 37mm flare launcher that in any way looks like a real 203. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I've yet to find a 37mm flare launcher that in any way looks like a real 203. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: I have a King Arms one w/ the Colt markings since my state sucks & doesn't allow DDs. I hadn't realized that until I'd looked for a DD dealer. My wife said she'd get me an LMT M203 if I went along with her wanting to buy a house.
It's going on an M16A2 clone build. Just mocking it up I've noticed the front bracket has a significant gap. I need to have a shim or something made to take up the space. And this is going on a Windham 20" gov't profile A2 barrel. All in all it looks really nice but it's still Airsoft. The first one I'd gotten had been damaged in shipping with some tiny little inside piece broken. The vendor got it taken care of fine. ETA: I got mine in Feb. '15 for $64.95 from airrattle.com Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 37mm flare launchers are NOT DDs. I've yet to find a 37mm flare launcher that in any way looks like a real 203. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There is a real market for the item for sure. I bet 100 would sell |
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It's going on an M16A2 clone build. Just mocking it up I've noticed the front bracket has a significant gap. I need to have a shim or something made to take up the space. And this is going on a Windham 20" gov't profile A2 barrel. All in all it looks really nice but it's still Airsoft. The first one I'd gotten had been damaged in shipping with some tiny little inside piece broken. The vendor got it taken care of fine. ETA: I got mine in Feb. '15 for $64.95 from airrattle.com Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 37mm flare launchers are NOT DDs. I've yet to find a 37mm flare launcher that in any way looks like a real 203. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There is a real market for the item for sure. I bet 100 would sell Yep, I would buy one if I could find one that actually looked like the real thing |
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Lets bump this to the top. Anything new on this project? View Quote I ordered one of the G&P ones WITH Colt markings for $84 + $36 airmail shipping. According to the tracking information, it should be here in a few days. I'll post pictures when it gets here. I have an original M203 handguard with sight that I will use to mount this on a late Vietnam M16A1 clone that I built. |
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I ordered one of the G&P ones WITH Colt markings for $84 + $36 airmail shipping. According to the tracking information, it should be here in a few days. I'll post pictures when it gets here. I have an original M203 handguard with sight that I will use to mount this on a late Vietnam M16A1 clone that I built. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lets bump this to the top. Anything new on this project? I ordered one of the G&P ones WITH Colt markings for $84 + $36 airmail shipping. According to the tracking information, it should be here in a few days. I'll post pictures when it gets here. I have an original M203 handguard with sight that I will use to mount this on a late Vietnam M16A1 clone that I built. G&P generally makes pretty good stuff. They are known for their body's and externals as well as the guts (although the internals often need tuning). I'm guessing the expensive shipping is because you had to order from Asia to get the Colt markings? Edit: Why am I now considering this as an excuse to do an A2 build? |
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G&P generally makes pretty good stuff. They are known for their body's and externals as well as the guts (although the internals often need tuning). I'm guessing the expensive shipping is because you had to order from Asia to get the Colt markings? Edit: Why am I now considering this as an excuse to do an A2 build? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lets bump this to the top. Anything new on this project? I ordered one of the G&P ones WITH Colt markings for $84 + $36 airmail shipping. According to the tracking information, it should be here in a few days. I'll post pictures when it gets here. I have an original M203 handguard with sight that I will use to mount this on a late Vietnam M16A1 clone that I built. G&P generally makes pretty good stuff. They are known for their body's and externals as well as the guts (although the internals often need tuning). I'm guessing the expensive shipping is because you had to order from Asia to get the Colt markings? Edit: Why am I now considering this as an excuse to do an A2 build? Yes, it is coming from Hong Kong, and their only shipping option was Airmail. I could not find one ANYWHERE in the US with Colt markings. Also, you don't need this an an excuse for an A2 build, plenty of these were used on A1's. |
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Mine is on the way also. Again from Hong Kong. I have the upper hand guard as well and as Indiana said, mine will go on an M16A1 H&R build. Should be here by weeks end.
Oh, and I paid about the same price and am promised the Colt's markings. Fingers crossed |
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Mine is on the way also. Again from Hong Kong. I have the upper hand guard as well and as Indiana said, mine will go on an M16A1 H&R build. Should be here by weeks end. Oh, and I paid about the same price and am promised the Colt's markings. Fingers crossed View Quote I'm glad you got yours, as they are now "SOLD OUT" and don't know when more will be back in stock. Let's race to see who can post photos first, lol |
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I bought the G&P colt marked short barrel and their long barreled RIS mount m203 the other day from airrattle. If I swap the barrels I'll have an authentic full length one. Cost for both was likely less than shipping from HK.
I also picked up the scar grenade launcher as my new muzzle loader firing mechanism will drop into any 40mm airsoft and work |
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Yes, it is coming from Hong Kong, and their only shipping option was Airmail. I could not find one ANYWHERE in the US with Colt markings. Also, you don't need this an an excuse for an A2 build, plenty of these were used on A1's. View Quote But I already have a 604 and am waiting for the an NDS A1 lower.. and no A2. |
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Where did you guys order from? I have been looking at evik but not sure yet. I want to build one of these so bad.
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I got mine from redwolfairsoft.com but I got their last one too.
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You guys are making it a challenge to get one lol.
I think there are a few other places that have them. Once I get to that point I will find one. It does make me want to step up and get a flare launcher. But the look is a little different. I see a few other M203 (long tube) launchers so there are options. I would love to have it Colt marked. While I am at it. Is the flash hider on the M203 different? They look different. |
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Does anyone know if the hand guard was always made of a composite, or were the earliest ones made of sheet metal? Also it appears that these do not need the rear sights that attach to the handle to aim.
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Does anyone know if the hand guard was always made of a composite, or were the earliest ones made of sheet metal? Also it appears that these do not need the rear sights that attach to the handle to aim. View Quote From vets that I have talked to, the carry handle sight was rarely used - kind of like the WWII US grenade launching sight that attached to the stock. |
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