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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless View Quote Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. |
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Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. 18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions (a) As used in this chapter— (5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. (16) The term “antique firearm” means— (A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or (B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica— (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or (C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. |
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No Federal law against it and considering OP is in LA I doubt there is a problem at the state level either
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Quoted: Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-antique In addition #209 Shotgun primers now fall into the antique category if the barrel cannot be swapped out to fire conventional rounds. "Many modern in-line muzzleloaders including those that use #209 shotgun primers for ignition now meet the definition of "antique firearm” and are excluded from the provisions of the GCA." |
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. Ignore me............ My understanding, it depends on the action and whether primers or caps are utilized. Modern muzzle loaders using inline primers to ignite the charge are subject to NFA regs. Primers are not historical whereas the historical style caps are. If the firearm uses modern copy of an antique design firing system, then no. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/atf-quarterly-bulletin-1998-volume-3.html#muzzle |
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18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions (a) As used in this chapter— (5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. (16) The term “antique firearm” means— (A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or (B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica— (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or (C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. 18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions (a) As used in this chapter— (5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. (16) The term “antique firearm” means— (A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or (B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica— (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or (C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term “antique firearm” shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. Anything loaded from the muzzle using black powder that cannot take fixed ammunition meets the definition of “antique firearm” in 18 U.S. Code § 921 |
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Quoted: My understanding, it depends on the action and whether primers or caps are utilized. Modern muzzle loaders using inline primers to ignite the charge are subject to NFA regs. Primers are not historical whereas the historical style caps are. If the firearm uses modern copy of an antique design firing system, then no. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/atf-quarterly-bulletin-1998-volume-3.html#muzzle View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hope you have a form 1 for that short-barreled shotgun. Nice work nevertheless Are MUZZLE LOADERS considered short barreled shotguns? I seem to recall seeing a double barreled coach muzzle loaded short shotgun advertised by a national company as not needing paperwork. My understanding, it depends on the action and whether primers or caps are utilized. Modern muzzle loaders using inline primers to ignite the charge are subject to NFA regs. Primers are not historical whereas the historical style caps are. If the firearm uses modern copy of an antique design firing system, then no. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/qb/atf-quarterly-bulletin-1998-volume-3.html#muzzle https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/federal-firearms-licensees-newsletter-february-2005/download |
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity.
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That is the most awesome thing I've seen all day!
Any pics of the barrel insert? |
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. View Quote Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. |
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Quoted: That's an awesome turkey gun. Good for reenactments as well. View Quote |
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Quoted: Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. |
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Quoted: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/golfballlauncher.jpg Golf ball launchers are stupid fun View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/golfballlauncher.jpg Golf ball launchers are stupid fun |
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Can't you legal people just take a moment to soak in the awesomeness of my creation? You've got no worries so why not enjoy some American ingenuity. Soak it up, hell, I want to do one. If it's legal, it's a necessity in my "No Destructive Devices" state. Now moving over to Ebay to begin shopping. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Iron_Airship/golfballlauncher.jpg Golf ball launchers are stupid fun blanks |
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I love my golf ball launcher too! I need more room like you though, KKID, I am all woods here.
Cant wait to see the fresh parts! |
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Quoted: Can't wait to see the new pics. I absolutely love this type of stuff! Oooooh.....Just had an idea! http://az321826.vo.msecnd.net/6296bc8112c245309be1258f3a08eb6a/Images/Products4220-1200x800-93618.jpg View Quote |
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Updated with some new photos in the OP.
Just when I thought I was satisfied with my current firing mechanism I've already come up with some new ideas . This project has become a monster. |
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This entire thread has a real "hey y'all, watch this; somebody hold my beer"! feel to it. As someone who escaped the East Coast for rural Alabama at age 16 -- I can relate.
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This entire thread has a real "hey y'all, watch this; somebody hold my beer"! feel to it. As someone who escaped the East Coast for rural Alabama at age 16 -- I can relate. No, no, you misunderstand me. I am all in! |
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This entire thread has a real "hey y'all, watch this; somebody hold my beer"! feel to it. As someone who escaped the East Coast for rural Alabama at age 16 -- I can relate. No, no, you misunderstand me. I am all in! Hold my beer. Redneck for, "It's my turn to play." |
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Right now I'm working on a new trigger group and working on the math for ballistic performance.
I'd like to be able to get similar ballistic performance from a rifled 12gauge barrel as a desert eagle loaded with .50ae 200gr+ projectile at 1500fps is my goal for shots out to 150yd, but still looking into it. |
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By far one of the most interesting threads ive seen on this forum..
A blooper would be fun as all get out built like this.. |
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Update: 4/27/16
My barrel blanks must are being held hostage. Still no shipping notice. Meanwhile I've been thinking ahead and feel that he best direction for the firing mechanism is to make it compatible with all airsoft 40mm launchers. That means the M79 and scar launchers .etc The new mechanism fits inside a 40mm shell and ejects after each shot. It doesn't contain the primer or anything that would make into a cartridge it is purely mechanical. The only downside is that the usable barrel length is reduced by up to 2". That means with the m203 the actual usable barrel may be 8"- 10" long. The plus side is not having to come up with a unique mechanism for every available airsoft launcher. I can return to the hold mechanism if 37mm barrels ever become available. |
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Tech-Com,
Do you think the all metal airsoft M203's are robust enough for the 37mm shells that are available on the market? I was wondering if it would be possible to turn one of the barrels to remove the fake rifling and have a 37mm sleeve made and inserted. I know we're talking a sleeve with a wall thickness of only 1.5mm. Just thinking out loud. |
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The numbers on the M203 handguard are not the serial number. The first is the part number/drawing number. The second number is the CAGE (Commercial and Government Entity) code which ids the manufacturer which is Precision Standard, Ferndale, MI.
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Quoted: The numbers on the M203 handguard are not the serial number. The first is the part number/drawing number. The second number is the CAGE (Commercial and Government Entity) code which ids the manufacturer which is Precision Standard, Ferndale, MI. --fjruple View Quote |
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