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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:31:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:31:22 AM EDT
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I'm going to guess it has a lot to do with people posting their own ads, asking people to post their ads for them, and maybe little of posting ads then buying the item you just linked.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:36:39 AM EDT
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Like gun control, punishing the many for the actions of the few...
CoC violation posting a link to one's own advertisement. Technically heads up threads break the CoC but were tolerated until the blatant rules break. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:44:28 AM EDT
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I'm going to guess it has a lot to do with people posting their own ads, asking people to post their ads for them, and maybe little of posting ads then buying the item you just linked. This. Using it to skirt the COC. The fact is, the simple way to do it is to click on Equipment Exchange, then type "Retro" in the search box. Same can be done on Gunbroker. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:49:08 AM EDT
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Was the lock message I posted not clear? No more "Heads Up" threads/posts until the matter is discussed by the Staff and Mods of this forum.
There was a resource made available to the members of this forum, because many considered it valuable. Because of this, it was allowed despite it not really being a tech discussion. Some of the members decided to abuse this resource, and now it's locked. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:05:53 AM EDT
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What a shame too as it would often be things I would never find as I don't go on ebay and lots of auctions on gunbroker or ads on the EE often don't have "retro" in the description. I guess if they did it wouldn't be much of a bargain
May save me a bit of money though from buying crap like M231 stocks I don need! |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:14:20 AM EDT
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Was the lock message I posted not clear? No more "Heads Up" threads/posts until the matter is discussed by the Staff and Mods of this forum. There was a resource made available to the members of this forum, because many considered it valuable. Because of this, it was allowed despite it not really being a tech discussion. Some of the members decided to abuse this resource, and now it's locked. Why not kick THOSE MEMBERS off of the site for 30 or 60 days, rather than punishing ALL OF US? |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:14:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was the lock message I posted not clear? No more "Heads Up" threads/posts until the matter is discussed by the Staff and Mods of this forum. There was a resource made available to the members of this forum, because many considered it valuable. Because of this, it was allowed despite it not really being a tech discussion. Some of the members decided to abuse this resource, and now it's locked. Yep - and good lock. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:18:03 AM EDT
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I let a lot of stuff slide in here because you guys are well behaved, usually
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Posted: 7/19/2015 10:20:14 AM EDT
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IBTL
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Posted: 7/19/2015 11:53:49 AM EDT
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I let a lot of stuff slide in here because you guys are well behaved, usually And we appreciate the leeway you mods give us, really. CoC violation = good lock. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 12:17:35 PM EDT
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The C&R forum has been that way for a long time......I'm surprised it took so long actually......
I'm not a fan of links to active auctions on firearms forums........sellers need to learn how to list an item so it'll be found, and buyers need to learn how to search....... as far as having a buddy post a "look what I found" about one of one of your own items?.....well.....we see what that got us...... 
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Posted: 7/19/2015 12:25:15 PM EDT
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The C&R forum has been that way for a long time......I'm surprised it took so long actually...... I'm not a fan of links to active auctions on firearms forums........sellers need to learn how to list an item so it'll be found, and buyers need to learn how to search....... as far as having a buddy post a "look what I found" about one of one of your own items?.....well.....we see what that got us...... +1 |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 1:50:29 PM EDT
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Was the lock message I posted not clear? No more "Heads Up" threads/posts until the matter is discussed by the Staff and Mods of this forum. There was a resource made available to the members of this forum, because many considered it valuable. Because of this, it was allowed despite it not really being a tech discussion. Some of the members decided to abuse this resource, and now it's locked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Was the lock message I posted not clear? No more "Heads Up" threads/posts until the matter is discussed by the Staff and Mods of this forum. There was a resource made available to the members of this forum, because many considered it valuable. Because of this, it was allowed despite it not really being a tech discussion. Some of the members decided to abuse this resource, and now it's locked. Quoted:
I let a lot of stuff slide in here because you guys are well behaved, usually Thank you both for recognizing that we are all RBRD sick puppies, and letting us get away with stuff that we know wouldn't happen in other forums. It truly is appreciated by many of us, and we will take our lumps when those times come. Keep up the good work. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 7:51:46 PM EDT
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The C&R forum has been that way for a long time......I'm surprised it took so long actually...... I'm not a fan of links to active auctions on firearms forums........sellers need to learn how to list an item so it'll be found, and buyers need to learn how to search....... as far as having a buddy post a "look what I found" about one of one of your own items?.....well.....we see what that got us...... +1 The shilling among posters has been blatant for quite some time and not just in that thread. In the same vein, there has been a lot of passive/aggressive indirect ad stomping on this part of the board also. Especially when it came to sellers who don't frequent this sub-forum as targets. I think the only fair way to do it is have a sales links resource where members simply post a link to the sale theirs or not, and a brief title/description. No comments as to whether it is a good deal or not. I don't think its practical to eliminate them entirely. ETA: A lot of cleaning up would have to be done throughout the site and even stricter enforcement of rules which in turn would just hinder the exchange of information among members. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 8:13:31 PM EDT
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The shilling among posters has been blatant for quite some time and not just in that thread. In the same vein, there has been a lot of passive/aggressive indirect ad stomping on this part of the board also. Especially when it came to sellers who don't frequent this sub-forum as targets. I think the only fair way to do it is have a sales links resource where members simply post a link to the sale theirs or not, and a brief title/description. No comments as to whether it is a good deal or not. I don't think its practical to eliminate them entirely. ETA: A lot of cleaning up would have to be done throughout the site and even stricter enforcement of rules which in turn would just hinder the exchange of information among members. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The C&R forum has been that way for a long time......I'm surprised it took so long actually...... I'm not a fan of links to active auctions on firearms forums........sellers need to learn how to list an item so it'll be found, and buyers need to learn how to search....... as far as having a buddy post a "look what I found" about one of one of your own items?.....well.....we see what that got us...... +1 The shilling among posters has been blatant for quite some time and not just in that thread. In the same vein, there has been a lot of passive/aggressive indirect ad stomping on this part of the board also. Especially when it came to sellers who don't frequent this sub-forum as targets. I think the only fair way to do it is have a sales links resource where members simply post a link to the sale theirs or not, and a brief title/description. No comments as to whether it is a good deal or not. I don't think its practical to eliminate them entirely. ETA: A lot of cleaning up would have to be done throughout the site and even stricter enforcement of rules which in turn would just hinder the exchange of information among members. I do not know the answer - and I can see both sides, but as a buyer it was a lot more fun before all these "Heads Up" posts, logging onto the marketplace and hoping to run across that once in a lifetime deal. And as a seller it was fun trying to formulate a listing and title that attracted attention and possible buyers instead of the current practice having a buddy post a link. |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:35:49 PM EDT
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Since I was visiting, I cleaned up the tacked threads. I've created two new announcements with links to the info and pic threads. They have all been set so they can't go to the archive servers, so you don't have to deal with all the tacked threads on the first page.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:39:01 PM EDT
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Since I was visiting, I cleaned up the tacked threads. I've created two new announcements with links to the info and pic threads. They have all been set so they can't go to the archive servers, so you don't have to deal with all the tacked threads on the first page. Thanks, thats mildly annoyed me for years.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:43:42 PM EDT
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Since I was visiting, I cleaned up the tacked threads. I've created two new announcements with links to the info and pic threads. They have all been set so they can't go to the archive servers, so you don't have to deal with all the tacked threads on the first page. Thanks!! That's way-bad-asser!! |
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:48:04 PM EDT
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Why not kick THOSE MEMBERS off of the site for 30 or 60 days, rather than punishing ALL OF US? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was the lock message I posted not clear? No more "Heads Up" threads/posts until the matter is discussed by the Staff and Mods of this forum. There was a resource made available to the members of this forum, because many considered it valuable. Because of this, it was allowed despite it not really being a tech discussion. Some of the members decided to abuse this resource, and now it's locked. Why not kick THOSE MEMBERS off of the site for 30 or 60 days, rather than punishing ALL OF US? or block them from the EE or both. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 12:35:19 AM EDT
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Since I was visiting, I cleaned up the tacked threads. I've created two new announcements with links to the info and pic threads. They have all been set so they can't go to the archive servers, so you don't have to deal with all the tacked threads on the first page. THANK YOU, much cleaner looking now. 
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Posted: 7/20/2015 8:19:08 AM EDT
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THANK YOU, much cleaner looking now.
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Since I was visiting, I cleaned up the tacked threads. I've created two new announcements with links to the info and pic threads. They have all been set so they can't go to the archive servers, so you don't have to deal with all the tacked threads on the first page. THANK YOU, much cleaner looking now.
+1 A lot better. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 11:58:40 AM EDT
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+1 very happy with the clean up.
Could you add the retro shotgun thread to the information links thread? I saw the sidearm thread there but not the shotgun thread. Shotgun thread is here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/392628_.html |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 8:05:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 very happy with the clean up. Could you add the retro shotgun thread to the information links thread? I saw the sidearm thread there but not the shotgun thread. Shotgun thread is here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/392628_.html Done. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 9:21:13 PM EDT
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Done.
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+1 very happy with the clean up. Could you add the retro shotgun thread to the information links thread? I saw the sidearm thread there but not the shotgun thread. Shotgun thread is here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/392628_.html Done.
Thank you 
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Posted: 7/20/2015 10:35:19 PM EDT
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Thanks, thats mildly annoyed me for years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since I was visiting, I cleaned up the tacked threads. I've created two new announcements with links to the info and pic threads. They have all been set so they can't go to the archive servers, so you don't have to deal with all the tacked threads on the first page. Thanks, thats mildly annoyed me for years. + 1 That has always bothered me too. There was space for just a few recent posts, with all the tacked threads occupying the main page. By the way, the tacked threads are some of the most informative as to retro variations, build guides, etc. If someone is new to this, there are some excellent resources there. Despite what a lot of people say, this forum is pretty well-moderated, especially when you realize how big it is and how much material it covers. The main reason I joined was because of the retro forum. |
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Posted: 7/20/2015 10:50:12 PM EDT
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Did I make it?
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Posted: 7/26/2015 7:34:40 AM EDT
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Sadly a group of people had to screw up what was a great thread for education and could have shown how prices were rising and falling. But just like every nice thing, some people have to be of such low character to use and abuse any and every little thing for their finical gain scams. These people will go back to their click baiting and keyword spamming ways, making it harder for decent people who follow the rules and behave themselves. Sadly some of our own Retro- people had to have us regulated. Just like how so many gun laws have happened.....
Moderators give people breaks, leeway, and don't use an iron fist. Then the low character people start getting bolder and bolder with their disrespect and knowingly engage in behavior that isn't allowed while patting themselves on the back for being the smartest scum user out there. The honor system / COC is lost on them. Now the moderators have more work, hassles and headaches all because a few people couldn't tolerate that their sales post wasn't on everyone's screen and multiple places on the site. Knowing how such behavior has ruined many discussion places online since the beginning of BBS, USENET/Newsgroups and email onward. My guess is most of this bad lot are using adblocking software, adding irony into this for when it is their advertisement it is special snowflake time... The moderators have enough work already and are very under appreciated for all that they do and deal with. besides No one likes shills..... 
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Posted: 7/27/2015 2:09:18 PM EDT
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This topic should now be moved to General Discussion...right?
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:14:54 PM EDT
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It ended because of a comment I made, so you can blame me. Sorry to all you Retro heads, I will just IM and email you deals if and when I come across them. I keep a list of who has what parts and for what prices to help guys find parts they are looking.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:17:49 PM EDT
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It ended because of a comment I made, so you can blame me. Sorry to all you Retro heads, I will just IM and email you deals if and when I come across them. I keep a list of who has what parts and for what prices to help guys find parts they are looking. That's not the way I see it.....I hate to point fingers but I was thinking it was the guy pushing his own bolt carrier |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 2:21:40 PM EDT
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I hope I haven't contributed to this.
While I know many of my GB ads were heads upped I could have been part of it. Being a guy who sells stuff I find it odd how people can start threads asking for basic common parts ( where there was a tacky thread saying where they were). You don't post asking where to find something unless you are shopping. The difference in WTB and Where to find ad is in the wording..... What is weird is they ask and I can answer, because it is a topic. But who is to say I am not advertsising by answering there question. You allow the question but the answer is violation worthy. Someone with a shell account can plug someone elses gear with no bounds. Some member will plug other people stuff on a regular basis.. It can happen according to the rules... |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:00:06 PM EDT
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Normally when it comes to WTF posts, I look at several factors to decide if it crosses the line.
The first thing is the wording of the question. If someone asks "Does anyone happen to have item X?", or any variation of that, I will normally lock it as a WTB ad. If someone says "Does anyone know of a place that may have item X" or similar, then I will normally let it slide. If someone responds with a link to an auction or EE post, I will normally edit that post. If someone responds with a link to a business, I will then look to see who is posting the link and if I think they're affiliated with that place. Normally I will check to see if they've promoted that specific place before. If so, I may treat it as a shill post. Of course we would prefer it if things were handled on the honor system, and our members just followed the rules laid out for them. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:31:10 PM EDT
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I hope I haven't contributed to this. While I know many of my GB ads were heads upped I could have been part of it. Being a guy who sells stuff I find it odd how people can start threads asking for basic common parts ( where there was a tacky thread saying where they were). You don't post asking where to find something unless you are shopping. The difference in WTB and Where to find ad is in the wording..... What is weird is they ask and I can answer, because it is a topic. But who is to say I am not advertsising by answering there question. You allow the question but the answer is violation worthy. Someone with a shell account can plug someone elses gear with no bounds. Some member will plug other people stuff on a regular basis.. It can happen according to the rules... Every time that I asked the question where is a good source for part ''x''? (Source implying a reputable vendor) I got messages in my mailbox offering said part for an extremely inflated price. A lot of times it tended to be the same sellers offering over and over. Why not just post all those items in the EE if you're really looking to sell? My repeated personal conclusion is that the items in question and the prices being requested probably wouldn't hold up to the open scrutiny when being sold on the EE. 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:37:07 PM EDT
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Every time that I asked the question where is a good source for part ''x''? (Source implying a reputable vendor) I got messages in my mailbox offering said part for an extremely inflated price. A lot of times it tended to be the same sellers offering over and over. Why not just post all those items in the EE if you're really looking to sell? My repeated personal conclusion is that the items in question and the prices being requested probably wouldn't hold up to the open scrutiny when being sold on the EE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope I haven't contributed to this. While I know many of my GB ads were heads upped I could have been part of it. Being a guy who sells stuff I find it odd how people can start threads asking for basic common parts ( where there was a tacky thread saying where they were). You don't post asking where to find something unless you are shopping. The difference in WTB and Where to find ad is in the wording..... What is weird is they ask and I can answer, because it is a topic. But who is to say I am not advertsising by answering there question. You allow the question but the answer is violation worthy. Someone with a shell account can plug someone elses gear with no bounds. Some member will plug other people stuff on a regular basis.. It can happen according to the rules... Every time that I asked the question where is a good source for part ''x''? (Source implying a reputable vendor) I got messages in my mailbox offering said part for an extremely inflated price. A lot of times it tended to be the same sellers offering over and over. Why not just post all those items in the EE if you're really looking to sell? My repeated personal conclusion is that the items in question and the prices being requested probably wouldn't hold up to the open scrutiny when being sold on the EE. If you're a team member you can have an ignore list which also block people on the list from IM'ing you. I use it to block people that I see as unscrupulous sellers in the EE so they cant respond to my WTB ads etc. |
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Posted: 7/30/2015 10:27:52 PM EDT
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For information like "Manufacturer X makes part Y," can't that be posted here? (Fake 607 style moderator for example)
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/263900_So__you_are_thinking_of_a_retro_build___PICS_and_information_LIST_OF_RETRO_PARTS_SUPPLIERS.html&page=12 I rarely look at that thread, but that might be the appropriate place to post info about currently manufactured retro parts. (not one time auctions / for sale ads for a finite supply) |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 4:24:11 PM EDT
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lets get back to technical discussion. question has been answered
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