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More 20" M16A1 barrels are on the way. When we receive new versions without F-Marked front sight bases, the description on the current barrel will update. Other barrels in the works include: View Quote You guys really are awesome. I think the only negative to this is that I already bought a 20" because I didn't know how long it would be until your correct FSB's would arrive. |
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[#2]
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My opinion is put the markings under the hand guard if they won't look authentic. Thanks for the retro love. We need more barrel choices for our builds. View Quote The Original markings were: C MP CHROME BORE - mainly from 1970 on A1 probile barrels, AFAIK. Also Sako made barrels and they were rollmarked "SAK MPCHROME BORE". Check the retro guide on the Retro Forum. |
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[#3]
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More 20" M16A1 barrels are on the way. When we receive new versions without F-Marked front sight bases, the description on the current barrel will update. Other barrels in the works include: 20" M16A1 Lightweight 1-7 (with and without a front sight base installed) 16" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base 14.5" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base 11.5" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base These are all still a few months out, as we're currently ironing out a few details. Also, we're sourcing new production flat delta rings. These will be available individually, in a delta ring kit and pre-installed on all of the barrels noted above. There are a few other projects in the works that retro fans will enjoy, but they're a bit too early to announce. View Quote Instead of the 11.5" you should do a 12.7" so people can make a 16" XM177E2 (with FH and grenade ring) or Israeli Menusar clone |
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I'd really like to see 14.7" rather than 14.5" if possible. There aren't any sources for a 14.7" pencil barrel and if you have a 16" cut, the profile isn't correct, most of us cloners prefer not to use extended flash hiders on a 14.5". Thanks. Quoted:
More 20" M16A1 barrels are on the way. When we receive new versions without F-Marked front sight bases, the description on the current barrel will update. Other barrels in the works include: 20" M16A1 Lightweight 1-7 (with and without a front sight base installed) 16" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base 14.5" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base 11.5" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base These are all still a few months out, as we're currently ironing out a few details. Also, we're sourcing new production flat delta rings. These will be available individually, in a delta ring kit and pre-installed on all of the barrels noted above. There are a few other projects in the works that retro fans will enjoy, but they're a bit too early to announce. View Quote |
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[#5]
What we're getting at is if you want to supply the Retro crowd (and some lightweight KISS guys), the barrels need to be a non-tradition length so that a normal length flash hider can be pinned/welded in place for legal length.
12.7" + grenade ring + 4.5" FH = over 16" 14.7" + washer + FH = over 16" Edited for math skillz.................... |
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[#6]
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What we're getting at is if you want to supply the Retro crowd (and some lightweight KISS guys), the barrels need to be a non-tradition length so that a normal length flash hider can be pinned/welded in place for legal length. 12.7" + grenade ring + 4.5" FH = over 16" 14.7" + washer + FH = over 16" Edited for math skillz.................... View Quote What Hodor done said. (It's not his fault if he can't math.) |
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[#7]
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What we're getting at is if you want to supply the Retro crowd (and some lightweight KISS guys), the barrels need to be a non-tradition length so that a normal length flash hider can be pinned/welded in place for legal length. 12.7" + grenade ring + 4.5" FH = over 16" 14.7" + washer + FH = over 16" Edited for math skillz.................... View Quote Thanks for clarifying. |
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Quoted: What we're getting at is if you want to supply the Retro crowd (and some lightweight KISS guys), the barrels need to be a non-tradition length so that a normal length flash hider can be pinned/welded in place for legal length. 12.7" + grenade ring + 4.5" FH = over 16" 14.7" + washer + FH = over 16" View Quote |
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I'd really like to see 14.7" rather than 14.5" if possible. There aren't any sources for a 14.7" pencil barrel and if you have a 16" cut, the profile isn't correct, most of us cloners prefer not to use extended flash hiders on a 14.5". Thanks. Quoted:
More 20" M16A1 barrels are on the way. When we receive new versions without F-Marked front sight bases, the description on the current barrel will update. Other barrels in the works include: 20" M16A1 Lightweight 1-7 (with and without a front sight base installed) 16" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base 14.5" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base 11.5" Lightweight 1-12 Chrome Lined with Front Sight Base These are all still a few months out, as we're currently ironing out a few details. Also, we're sourcing new production flat delta rings. These will be available individually, in a delta ring kit and pre-installed on all of the barrels noted above. There are a few other projects in the works that retro fans will enjoy, but they're a bit too early to announce. http://img-f.pinside.com/201405/1640249/230582.gif Even praying to the baby Jesus aint gonna work. I've tried and there's STILL no 14.7 lightweight barrels in sight! |
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[#11]
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What we're getting at is if you want to supply the Retro crowd (and some lightweight KISS guys), the barrels need to be a non-tradition length so that a normal length flash hider can be pinned/welded in place for legal length. 12.7" + grenade ring + 4.5" FH = over 16" 14.7" + washer + FH = over 16" Edited for math skillz.................... View Quote Good call. We're early enough on, we can probably make those changes. Will update shortly to confirm, but these shouldn't be an issue. |
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Good call. We're early enough on, we can probably make those changes. Will update shortly to confirm, but these shouldn't be an issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What we're getting at is if you want to supply the Retro crowd (and some lightweight KISS guys), the barrels need to be a non-tradition length so that a normal length flash hider can be pinned/welded in place for legal length. 12.7" + grenade ring + 4.5" FH = over 16" 14.7" + washer + FH = over 16" Edited for math skillz.................... Good call. We're early enough on, we can probably make those changes. Will update shortly to confirm, but these shouldn't be an issue. Thank you. |
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Well I'll be dipped!
ANOTHER hit on my saving account coming up! |
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Suck it up Cal, these are good days for we retro-heads. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I'll be dipped! ANOTHER hit on my saving account coming up! Suck it up Cal, these are good days for we retro-heads. I've been SAVED! There's no indent under the ejection port! Now of course the possibility of 12.7 and 14.7 barrels from Brownells is going to hurt a place on me! PLUS I still need a midlength LW with the .625 FSB and have it cut down to 14.7 for my M16&3/4 " /> |
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Dumb question for the people who have brownells barrels. Did anyone think the hand guard caps didn't fit around the barrel right? I noticed on my two there was play in them like the diameter of the hole was larger than the barrel diameter. By comparison my original A1 barrels have no play.
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Dumb question for the people who have brownells barrels. Did anyone think the hand guard caps didn't fit around the barrel right? I noticed on my two there was play in them like the diameter of the hole was larger than the barrel diameter. By comparison my original A1 barrels have no play. View Quote Pull it apart to see what the ID of the hole is. I can't speak directly about the Brownells barrel, but many of the new manufactured hand guard caps do not have the pressed flange that intrudes into the rear of the FSB. |
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Pull it apart to see what the ID of the hole is. I can't speak directly about the Brownells barrel, but many of the new manufactured hand guard caps do not have the pressed flange that intrudes into the rear of the FSB. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dumb question for the people who have brownells barrels. Did anyone think the hand guard caps didn't fit around the barrel right? I noticed on my two there was play in them like the diameter of the hole was larger than the barrel diameter. By comparison my original A1 barrels have no play. Pull it apart to see what the ID of the hole is. I can't speak directly about the Brownells barrel, but many of the new manufactured hand guard caps do not have the pressed flange that intrudes into the rear of the FSB. I'm too big of a chicken to knock the pins out. What you're saying makes sense though because while there is some play I don't think it's a case of it being a .750 cap or I would think the play would be way worse. I do have some old .625 caps from my A1 kits I could have someone change out if it bugged me enough. |
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Ordered one of these lightweight 20" 1 in 12 barrels on 8-5-15 and it arrived to my house yesterday.
These still have F Marked front sight blocks. I am really disappointed that they haven't fixed this yet. FYI It does not come with the sling swivel or rivet, front sight, sight detent or spring either on the front sight block. I had to place another order today for the swivel & rivet. |
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[#21]
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Ordered one of these lightweight 20" 1 in 12 barrels on 8-5-15 and it arrived to my house yesterday. These still have F Marked front sight blocks. I am really disappointed that they haven't fixed this yet. FYI It does not come with the sling swivel or rivet, front sight, sight detent or spring either on the front sight block. I had to place another order today for the swivel & rivet. View Quote Thanks for the update. Sorry it had to happen by surprise. I would honestly send it back, especially as I believed they removed the F-Marked part from the description. As for the swivel, rivet, post, detent, and spring, that is stated in the description if I recall and they do have a parts kit for it for pretty cheap. |
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[#22]
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Thanks for the update. Sorry it had to happen by surprise. I would honestly send it back, especially as I believed they removed the F-Marked part from the description. As for the swivel, rivet, post, detent, and spring, that is stated in the description if I recall and they do have a parts kit for it for pretty cheap. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ordered one of these lightweight 20" 1 in 12 barrels on 8-5-15 and it arrived to my house yesterday. These still have F Marked front sight blocks. I am really disappointed that they haven't fixed this yet. FYI It does not come with the sling swivel or rivet, front sight, sight detent or spring either on the front sight block. I had to place another order today for the swivel & rivet. Thanks for the update. Sorry it had to happen by surprise. I would honestly send it back, especially as I believed they removed the F-Marked part from the description. As for the swivel, rivet, post, detent, and spring, that is stated in the description if I recall and they do have a parts kit for it for pretty cheap. It is a very nice barrel other than that - I already installed it as the alternative would require me to get the pinning jig for a Green Mountain barrel and tracking down a standard .625 front sight block. I am out of town next weekend, but will post a report once I take her out and see how she shoots. In case anyone was wondering, the delta ring is the newer tapered style too. I swapped mine for the straight one and now fully appreciate why they tapered them! |
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Did anyone think the hand guard caps didn't fit around the barrel right?
Mine is as tight or tighter than any of my original Colt LW's. Take's some real effort to get it to even move. I reviewed the barrel assembly upon receipt and was able to achieve a best 10 shot grouping of 2" off a sand bag shooting prone. Ammo used were hand loads averaging 3150 FPS mounted to a SP-1 upper receiver. Winds were gusting at 30 plus MPH so I expect it to do a little better in calm weather. Have since mounted the barrel assembly on a flat top scoped varmint rig and will be re-evaluating in near future under preferably better shooting conditions. Mine also came with a Delta ring I swapped out for a slip ring and without sight or sling swivel pieces. |
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Good call. We're early enough on, we can probably make those changes. Will update shortly to confirm, but these shouldn't be an issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What we're getting at is if you want to supply the Retro crowd (and some lightweight KISS guys), the barrels need to be a non-tradition length so that a normal length flash hider can be pinned/welded in place for legal length. 12.7" + grenade ring + 4.5" FH = over 16" 14.7" + washer + FH = over 16" Edited for math skillz.................... Good call. We're early enough on, we can probably make those changes. Will update shortly to confirm, but these shouldn't be an issue. Tag |
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Hey Brownells!
Just backordered one of your 1/12 20" barrels. Any idea when you'll be getting more in stock? We need to complete all the 604 uppers that No-Dak is shipping out! |
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Bump to nag for Non-F-marked (A2 height) front sight bases View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bump to nag for 1/7 Bump to nag for Non-F-marked (A2 height) front sight bases I keep seeing that they will not have F marked bases. In the back of my mind I keep thinking they will be the same sights just without a stamp. |
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Bump to nag for Non-F-marked (A2 height) front sight bases View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bump to nag for 1/7 Bump to nag for Non-F-marked (A2 height) front sight bases No 1/7 barrel you can buy that anywhere 1-12 .625 fsb no m4 ramps. No f marked fsb and round round fsp. |
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Show me where I can buy a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base, 556, and chrome lined
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Show me where I can buy a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base, 556, and chrome lined View Quote Um...Maybe show me where the US military ever used a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base. 556, and chrome lined in any of it's weapons??? From my understanding, this thread is in reference to Brownell's "Military Barrel" line of products...specifically their M16A1 barrel offering. That Brownell's created this particular product line in order to satisfy at least 2 niches in the AR market: Retro clone-builders & those looking to replace their worn-out or highly valuable original retro barrels with a similarly speced barrel that they can safely abuse. & That Brownell's created this thread in an effort to gather knowledge & opinions on: 1. Which military barrel formats are most in need of reproducing. 2. What are the technical aspects of those barrels. 3. How best to identify the reproduction barrels in a manner which would neither be too easily confused with an original, or too blatantly conflict with the markings of an original. I think Brownell's current offering are pretty much spot-on, or rather... should be with this next batch of product. I think they've done an outstanding job of reproducing the flat slip-ring (even if it is anodized black rather than grey). That Brownell's consistently keeps improving this product line speaks volumes about their dedication to fulfilling the needs of our retro community, and I for one, am thoroughly impressed with their achievements thus far. FlDiveCop71 |
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Quoted: Um...Maybe show me where the US military ever used a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base. 556, and chrome lined in any of it's weapons??? From my understanding, View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Show me where I can buy a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base, 556, and chrome lined Um...Maybe show me where the US military ever used a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base. 556, and chrome lined in any of it's weapons??? From my understanding, Brownell's, I'm still very interested in a 1/7 please |
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both are irrelevant. Brownell's, I'm still very interested in a 1/7 please View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Show me where I can buy a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base, 556, and chrome lined Um...Maybe show me where the US military ever used a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base. 556, and chrome lined in any of it's weapons??? From my understanding, Brownell's, I'm still very interested in a 1/7 please |
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M16A1 Barrels are back in stock.
The images haven't been updated yet, but these now ship with a flat slip ring, standard front sight base and correct profile under the hand guard. New images should post in the coming days. M16A1 20" Barrel |
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[#36]
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M16A1 Barrels are back in stock. The images haven't been updated yet, but these now ship with a flat slip ring, standard front sight base and correct profile under the hand guard. New images should post in the coming days. M16A1 20" Barrel View Quote Awesom !!! Any chance of coming out with 11.5" barrel in 1/12 with no m4 feed ramps. |
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Awesom !!! Any chance of coming out with 11.5" barrel in 1/12 with no m4 feed ramps. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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M16A1 Barrels are back in stock. The images haven't been updated yet, but these now ship with a flat slip ring, standard front sight base and correct profile under the hand guard. New images should post in the coming days. M16A1 20" Barrel Awesom !!! Any chance of coming out with 11.5" barrel in 1/12 with no m4 feed ramps. Here is what we have in the works: 12.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 14.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 16" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Stripped Barrel with M4 Feedramps |
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M16A1 Barrels are back in stock. The images haven't been updated yet, but these now ship with a flat slip ring, standard front sight base and correct profile under the hand guard. New images should post in the coming days. View Quote Excellent! You might want to add in the specs about the front sight base's height to prevent further FAQ's about it. I'm sure the slip ring will be visible in the new images, but I know I can't spot the height difference of an FSB. I've updated this information on my Retro Barrel Spreadsheet. |
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Quoted: Here is what we have in the works: 12.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 14.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 16" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Stripped Barrel with M4 Feedramps View Quote |
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Here is what we have in the works: 12.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 14.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 16" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Stripped Barrel with M4 Feedramps View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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M16A1 Barrels are back in stock. The images haven't been updated yet, but these now ship with a flat slip ring, standard front sight base and correct profile under the hand guard. New images should post in the coming days. M16A1 20" Barrel Awesom !!! Any chance of coming out with 11.5" barrel in 1/12 with no m4 feed ramps. Here is what we have in the works: 12.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 14.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 16" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Stripped Barrel with M4 Feedramps When do you think 1/12 carbine barrels ( any length ) will be available. I need one to cut down to 10" |
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would the 12.7" work for you?
And big B, is the 16" barrel a carbine gas or midlength gas? Midlength would be great! |
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To the guys that have bought these, it says they have a black finish on their website. Are they the same black as on all the other modern barrels? Im guessing these don't have the same finish as an original barrel? Also, are they really non F sight bases or do they just not mark them F?
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To the guys that have bought these, it says they have a black finish on their website. Are they the same black as on all the other modern barrels? Im guessing these don't have the same finish as an original barrel? Also, are they really non F sight bases or do they just not mark them F? View Quote I would trust Brownell's on the FSB. The made a point of it here and on their website that they are the correct height now. As for the finish, it lists it as a phosphate finish so I assume it will match the finish of an original (especially if they are using the MIL-STD for the process). What you need to look out for is Nitride / QPQ stuff, which is often a jet black. |
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Quoted: 12.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 14.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 16" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Stripped Barrel with M4 Feedramps View Quote |
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any eta on these items? I have Christmas money View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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12.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 14.7" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 16" 5.56 1-12 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Barrel with Front Sight Base, Flat Slip Ring & Rifle Feedramps 20" 5.56 1-7 Lightweight Stripped Barrel with M4 Feedramps We'll have examples at SHOT Show. Unfortunately we had some delays, so we're still a few weeks out on having production versions available. |
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Mybe show me where the US military ever used a pencil 1/7 with a pinned front sight base. 556, and chrome lined in any of it's weapons??? View Quote They were rare but I have seen M16A1s with C7 type uppers and pencil 1/7 barrels made by FN. There was one of these odd bird's in my arms room at one time. The nice thing about the 1/7 means I can grab ANY mag I have an run the rifle with it regardless of ammo. Brownells, please some of the shorter lengths in 1/7 too! |
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