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[#3]
I like it without the scope, nice collection of parts, that upper receiver is really nice.
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I almost had it right with my USAF Franken Carbine build, but it had an M4 barrel. The Holy Grail for a CAR build is the 6420/6720 1/7" twist, 16" Pencil barrel...which I finally found. The below project is what was left after I took my retro 602 and a Carbine build, when I sold off all the 20" barreled retro stuff. Total weight empty is 5 pounds, 7 ounces! Colt 604 early square forge upper Colt 6720 1/7 Pencil barrel Colt 601 Chrome BCG Colt Fiberlite stock set Nodak Spud 601 lower Kalifornication compliant bullet button and Colt 20 rounder blocked to 10 rounds. NC Star Colt 3X scope clone <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15_zps81547875.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15_zps81547875.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15a_zps23b85c7d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15a_zps23b85c7d.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/6420BARREL_zps51033895.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/6420BARREL_zps51033895.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15B_zps4040bf0b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15B_zps4040bf0b.jpg</a> View Quote |
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imarangemaster, Nice Carbine you have there. That Early Square Forge 604 Upper is SWEEET !!! Those are hard to find in that condition. I like the way they match with the lower receiver's lines, just below the rear of the Ejection Port. |
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Dear lord man, is that a tic mark on the right side of your selector?
Just kidding. It's a nice carbine and one of my favorite set ups. |
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[#6]
See - and I have been wanting an M4 barrel for mine!
I just like the way they look on the AF rebuilds - pics on retroblackrifle.com show pretty well. Nice build Mr. Rangemaster... very nice. Oh - and how do you like the scope? Was thinking of a clone myself. |
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The NC Star 4X scope is a clone of the Colt, and has a BDC top dial for 55 grain built in. It is not a bad little unit, and works great. It is an older one that has been kicking around in the family for probably 10 or 15 years, so it has seen some use. When i get my 77 grain OTM rounds in, I will sight it in.
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This carbine better represents the USAF Franken-Carbine I had 1979 to 1981 in the 142 SPF at PANGB, than my earlier Franken-Carbine build with the M4 barrel. One weapon I had was a straight up GAU-5/A/A on a full fence lower, but the GAU-5/P I had was an early slab-side lower (either 601 or 602), slick side upper (probably the upper from the 601/602 parent weapon) and a 14.5 inch pencil barrel, 1/12 twist. The chrome lined 1/7 barrel and the Colt Fiberlite stock are modern concessions for weight and performance.
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[#9]
I'll take door number one! That Kali Krap makes my stomach queasy!
Looks fantastic! Slicks are sick!
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Dear lord man, is that a tic mark on the right side of your selector? Just kidding. It's a nice carbine and one of my favorite set ups. View Quote Bernie..... Do you need a no-Tic selector? If you do, then IM me you address again, I keep losing or forgetting the ones that I don't send stuff to regularly. If you need one Santa Will will put one in your stocking |
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I almost had it right with my USAF Franken Carbine build, but it had an M4 barrel. The Holy Grail for a CAR build is the 6420/6720 1/7" twist, 16" Pencil barrel...which I finally found. The below project is what was left after I took my retro 602 and a Carbine build, when I sold off all the 20" barreled retro stuff. Total weight empty is 5 pounds, 7 ounces! Colt 604 early square forge upper Colt 6720 1/7 Pencil barrel Colt 601 Chrome BCG Colt Fiberlite stock set Nodak Spud 601 lower Kalifornication compliant bullet button and Colt 20 rounder blocked to 10 rounds. NC Star Colt 3X scope clone <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15_zps81547875.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15_zps81547875.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15a_zps23b85c7d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15a_zps23b85c7d.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/6420BARREL_zps51033895.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/6420BARREL_zps51033895.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15B_zps4040bf0b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15B_zps4040bf0b.jpg</a> View Quote Now this is a nice set up! Simple and retro. Thanks for sharing. |
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What does 'square forge' mean regarding the upper? I do notice it has a reg pin instead of the large SP1 style screw.
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[#16]
Very nice, I had that exact same configuration for a while before I converted it to something else. it's a very fun and handy package
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Do you Cali guys have to pin your Carbine stocks on featureless builds?
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I also have what is called a "Hammerhead" grip, that replaces the pistol grip with a paddle. It allows a better grasp of the weapon, allowing a wrap around grip. It has a feel much like an FN P90 PDW grip. It is better than a paddle, but uglier by far. Here it is on the M4gery build I traded my son for the retro CAR15 stuff. <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/M4gery2_zpsaf681431.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/M4gery2_zpsaf681431.jpg</a> View Quote They have to be pinned or screwed so they can not collapse, and are "fixed" I use the Anderson A2 lower with an commercial spec aftermarket stock that I screwed permanently open to run my high-caps. I had a Colt looking clone stock I got from another member in PIF on it before, but had someone give me this tacticool stock I am trying as a "fixed". I think I will go back to the colt looking one, though, after I paint it gloss black. I just could not bear to put a screw through my original Colt Fiberlite stock and tube! I leave it on the NDS 601 lower with a bullet button, to run 10 rounders most of the time. I use the Wilson Combat Comp muzzle brake that looks like an A1 flashider on the barel, so I can use it on either lower. |
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They have to be pinned or screwed so they can not collapse, and are "fixed" I use the Anderson A2 lower with an commercial spec aftermarket stock that I screwed permanently open to run my high-caps. I had a Colt looking clone stock I got from another member in PIF on it before, but had someone give me this tacticool stock I am trying as a "fixed". I think I will go back to the colt looking one, though, after I paint it gloss black. I just could not bear to put a screw through my original Colt Fiberlite stock and tube! I leave it on the NDS 601 lower with a bullet button, to run 10 rounders most of the time. I use the Wilson Combat Comp muzzle brake that looks like an A1 flashider on the barel, so I can use it on either lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I also have what is called a "Hammerhead" grip, that replaces the pistol grip with a paddle. It allows a better grasp of the weapon, allowing a wrap around grip. It has a feel much like an FN P90 PDW grip. It is better than a paddle, but uglier by far. Here it is on the M4gery build I traded my son for the retro CAR15 stuff. <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/M4gery2_zpsaf681431.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/M4gery2_zpsaf681431.jpg</a> They have to be pinned or screwed so they can not collapse, and are "fixed" I use the Anderson A2 lower with an commercial spec aftermarket stock that I screwed permanently open to run my high-caps. I had a Colt looking clone stock I got from another member in PIF on it before, but had someone give me this tacticool stock I am trying as a "fixed". I think I will go back to the colt looking one, though, after I paint it gloss black. I just could not bear to put a screw through my original Colt Fiberlite stock and tube! I leave it on the NDS 601 lower with a bullet button, to run 10 rounders most of the time. I use the Wilson Combat Comp muzzle brake that looks like an A1 flashider on the barel, so I can use it on either lower. There's got to be a way to lock it in place with the lever or release/spring thingy, etc so you don't have to butcher a good stock. |
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Do you California guys have to pin your Carbine stocks on featureless builds? View Quote Sorry for the edit - it is a major pet peeve of mine Back to the thread - pinning stocks. On my featureless builds I just run a type D or E stock. Rather not pin anything. I have a couple of dedicated featurless lowers I run when I am in the mood. My house gun is built on a California AWB registered PWA lower so no Bullet Button is required. |
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I almost had it right with my USAF Franken Carbine build, but it had an M4 barrel. The Holy Grail for a CAR build is the 6420/6720 1/7" twist, 16" Pencil barrel...which I finally found. The below project is what was left after I took my retro 602 and a Carbine build, when I sold off all the 20" barreled retro stuff. Total weight empty is 5 pounds, 7 ounces! Colt 604 early square forge upper Colt 6720 1/7 Pencil barrel Colt 601 Chrome BCG Colt Fiberlite stock set Nodak Spud 601 lower Kalifornication compliant bullet button and Colt 20 rounder blocked to 10 rounds. NC Star Colt 3X scope clone <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15_zps81547875.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15_zps81547875.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15a_zps23b85c7d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15a_zps23b85c7d.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/6420BARREL_zps51033895.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/6420BARREL_zps51033895.jpg</a> <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/imarangemaster/media/CAR15B_zps4040bf0b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/imarangemaster/CAR15B_zps4040bf0b.jpg</a> View Quote She's lookin' good, rangemaster. |
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What does 'square forge' mean regarding the upper? I do notice it has a reg pin instead of the large SP1 style screw. View Quote The Colt AR15 SP1 civilian lowers were basically the same as the early Colt Model 601 and 601 lowers with no fence around the mag button or no boss to house a spring and detent to capture the front pivot pin. The 601 and 602 used a loose pin with a ball bearing detent in it, and the SP1 version of the lower used a larger pin with screw heads to make it "not interchangeable" with M16s. A stock SP1 AR15 is almost exactly a model 602. Square forge has to do with the way the upper and lower receiver line up under the ejection port. Basically, on early (square forge) the upper lines up with the top of the magazine area of the lower (like mine) non-square forge, the upper just goes straight down from the rear of the dust cover pin boss. It is hard to describe, without pictures. Anyone have clear pictures of the difference they can post? |
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The Colt AR15 SP1 civilian lowers were basically the same as the early Colt Model 601 and 601 lowers with no fence around the mag button or no boss to house a spring and detent to capture the front pivot pin. The 601 and 602 used a loose pin with a ball bearing detent in it, and the SP1 version of the lower used a larger pin with screw heads to make it "not interchangeable" with M16s. A stock SP1 AR15 is almost exactly a model 602. Square forge has to do with the way the upper and lower receiver line up under the ejection port. Basically, on early (square forge) the upper lines up with the top of the magazine area of the lower (like mine) non-square forge, the upper just goes straight down from the rear of the dust cover pin boss. It is hard to describe, without pictures. Anyone have clear pictures of the difference they can post? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does 'square forge' mean regarding the upper? I do notice it has a reg pin instead of the large SP1 style screw. The Colt AR15 SP1 civilian lowers were basically the same as the early Colt Model 601 and 601 lowers with no fence around the mag button or no boss to house a spring and detent to capture the front pivot pin. The 601 and 602 used a loose pin with a ball bearing detent in it, and the SP1 version of the lower used a larger pin with screw heads to make it "not interchangeable" with M16s. A stock SP1 AR15 is almost exactly a model 602. Square forge has to do with the way the upper and lower receiver line up under the ejection port. Basically, on early (square forge) the upper lines up with the top of the magazine area of the lower (like mine) non-square forge, the upper just goes straight down from the rear of the dust cover pin boss. It is hard to describe, without pictures. Anyone have clear pictures of the difference they can post? Thanks. No need for pics. I know exactly what your describing(where the 2 halfs meet just behind/under the rear edge of the ejection port cover while its open). I noticed that on my first SP1 bought new in 78. Looked like theres something miss-aligned between the 2, but thats the way they all are, even to this day. You can actually see the typical layout on the A2/A3 setup in this thread. Vs the square forged setup just above it. |
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The Colt AR15 SP1 civilian lowers were basically the same as the early Colt Model 601 and 601 lowers with no fence around the mag button or no boss to house a spring and detent to capture the front pivot pin. The 601 and 602 used a loose pin with a ball bearing detent in it, and the SP1 version of the lower used a larger pin with screw heads to make it "not interchangeable" with M16s. A stock SP1 AR15 is almost exactly a model 602. Square forge has to do with the way the upper and lower receiver line up under the ejection port. Basically, on early (square forge) the upper lines up with the top of the magazine area of the lower (like mine) non-square forge, the upper just goes straight down from the rear of the dust cover pin boss. It is hard to describe, without pictures. Anyone have clear pictures of the difference they can post? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does 'square forge' mean regarding the upper? I do notice it has a reg pin instead of the large SP1 style screw. The Colt AR15 SP1 civilian lowers were basically the same as the early Colt Model 601 and 601 lowers with no fence around the mag button or no boss to house a spring and detent to capture the front pivot pin. The 601 and 602 used a loose pin with a ball bearing detent in it, and the SP1 version of the lower used a larger pin with screw heads to make it "not interchangeable" with M16s. A stock SP1 AR15 is almost exactly a model 602. Square forge has to do with the way the upper and lower receiver line up under the ejection port. Basically, on early (square forge) the upper lines up with the top of the magazine area of the lower (like mine) non-square forge, the upper just goes straight down from the rear of the dust cover pin boss. It is hard to describe, without pictures. Anyone have clear pictures of the difference they can post? Negative. Square Forge in top pic, Round Forge in bottom pic http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/401263_USGI_Colt_603_XM16E1_M16A1_upper_buyers_guide_Edition_II.html |
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+1. Thanks for clearing that up. I assumed the wrong thing.
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Is it true, though, that on the square forge, the part under the port door lines up with the lower also, and the round forge is even with the back of the port door. Or is it just the very early square forge that line up in back????
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Is it true, though, that on the square forge, the part under the port door lines up with the lower also, and the round forge is even with the back of the port door. Or is it just the very early square forge that line up in back???? View Quote It's just the very early receivers that have the rebated port door line that matches the lower magwell, examples are 601,602, very early XM16E1's, and the uber rare super early 604 upper. |
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It's just the very early receivers that have the rebated port door line that matches the lower magwell, examples are 601,602, very early XM16E1's, and the uber rare super early 604 upper. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is it true, though, that on the square forge, the part under the port door lines up with the lower also, and the round forge is even with the back of the port door. Or is it just the very early square forge that line up in back???? It's just the very early receivers that have the rebated port door line that matches the lower magwell, examples are 601,602, very early XM16E1's, and the uber rare super early 604 upper. This is what I understand also. I wasn't trying to be curt with my reply, just bummed out about Joe Cocker's passing and was jamming. Gravelly voice but put on one hell of a performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbMyksobL-U Ringo may have sang the original but Joe owns this song. |
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No proplem, Brother, I didn't think it was curt. It is a shame about Cocker, though... We are getting old!
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