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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:30:48 AM

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I'm new to AR15.com but not new to AR ownership and would just like to say thanks before I ask my question.. Also if I'm not in the right place please direct me to where I should be. Thanks again.

I have just puchased/trade for my third AR and I know for certain I have a pretty rare find. I have a 1964 production AR15 SP1 ser# is less than 00310. To the best of my knowledge it is unfired. IT IS NOT FOR SALE. I've done my research and everything I have found out points to it being correct. I recently saw one with a 4 digit ser# for sale for $10,000.

My question is, How rare is this find and can anyone give me more info and some idea of what it is worth. It is in like new unfired condition even though I have no way to confirm it to be unfired at this time. Thanks for your help
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Does it have the box and accessories? I believe someone bought a unfired in the box SP1 under 400 serial number for around $2500.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:38:59 AM
You might want to re-post your question in the appraisal thread here...

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/523435_OFFICIAL_APPRAISAL_THREAD_REQUESTS_FOR_APPRAISALS_ONLY_IN_THIS_THREAD.html

And post pics please!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:28:58 AM
Originally Posted By ZR10054:
I'm new to AR15.com but not new to AR ownership and would just like to say thanks before I ask my question.. Also if I'm not in the right place please direct me to where I should be. Thanks again.

I have just puchased/trade for my third AR and I know for certain I have a pretty rare find. I have a 1964 production AR15 SP1 ser# is less than 00310. To the best of my knowledge it is unfired. IT IS NOT FOR SALE. I've done my research and everything I have found out points to it being correct. I recently saw one with a 4 digit ser# for sale for $10,000.

My question is, How rare is this find and can anyone give me more info and some idea of what it is worth. It is in like new unfired condition even though I have no way to confirm it to be unfired at this time. Thanks for your help


it was discussed last time that an early SP1 came up for auction that the early serialed lowers weren't built out at the time and doneso later so they had later parts. i've seen at least 2 examples of early serials with later parts on them.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:13:30 PM
Originally Posted By boywonder777:
Originally Posted By ZR10054:
I'm new to AR15.com but not new to AR ownership and would just like to say thanks before I ask my question.. Also if I'm not in the right place please direct me to where I should be. Thanks again.

I have just puchased/trade for my third AR and I know for certain I have a pretty rare find. I have a 1964 production AR15 SP1 ser# is less than 00310. To the best of my knowledge it is unfired. IT IS NOT FOR SALE. I've done my research and everything I have found out points to it being correct. I recently saw one with a 4 digit ser# for sale for $10,000.

My question is, How rare is this find and can anyone give me more info and some idea of what it is worth. It is in like new unfired condition even though I have no way to confirm it to be unfired at this time. Thanks for your help


it was discussed last time that an early SP1 came up for auction that the early serialed lowers weren't built out at the time and doneso later so they had later parts. i've seen at least 2 examples of early serials with later parts on them.


I believe the lowers that were "assembled later" were the first 25 or so--1963 pre-production reserve. Regular production started in '64 and SP00310 would have been produced early that year.
Not to give an appraisal here, but a 4-digit value would not approach $10k unless it was converted to select-fire and available on a Form 4.
Having said that, though, '1st year" SP1s in original condition are very collectible rifles, and 3-digit examples even more so.
"Original condition" being the key phrase...which brings us to the main point: WE NEED PHOTOGRAPHS!!

External photos, internal photos, photos of the BCG (stripped), photos of the buffer, photos of every stamp and roll mark, including on the barrel, photos inside the handguards...

Share, man!

Oh, and contact Colt. For that rifle, in excellent condition, it would definitely be worth springing for the archive letter.

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Pics or it didn't happen. If anyone knows what it's worth, it'd be Olgunner, m1sniper and other guys like boywonder777. Just because they were asking $10K doesn't mean they'll get it - as OG mentioned, that's NFA territory. We would really love to see detailed pics of it torn down. Early SP1's are really as close as you can get to a 'real M16.' Welcome to the forum!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:08:28 PM
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The 3 digit guns typically go for a premium over 4 digit guns, but you aren't talking $5,000+ or anything. They are such rare eggs in the market that condition, original packaging, fired/unfired, and honestly if there is a buyer specifically looking for a low serial number gun at that time will play a huge part in the value of the gun.

Also, just because a gun is LISTED for $10,000 does not mean it will sell at that price.



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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:53:19 PM
here's a 3 digit approaching $5k with a few hours left

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=327240497
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:29:35 PM
Thanks guys, I will post pictures as soon as I learn how.Can I post right from my computer?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:35:36 PM
Originally Posted By ZR10054:
Thanks guys, I will post pictures as soon as I learn how.Can I post right from my computer?


I use tinypic to host my pictures. Make an account, load pictures to your album, and paste the [IMG] code from the picture to your reply here. Ta-da!
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DAAAMN!!

Helluva first photo.
Eagerly awaiting many more!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:19:48 PM
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Originally Posted By OlGunner:


DAAAMN!!

Helluva first photo.
Eagerly awaiting many more!


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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:10:11 PM
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More pictures and thats also a Colt Bayonnet and two colt mags. I'm not sure if the slingis correct though.












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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:17:02 PM
Nice!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:29:51 PM
Very, very nice!
I see the buffer tube is pinned, so we'll assume it's the original "early" tube. And I'm guessing it has the edgewater buffer?

The sling is not right. You need a black "601"-type sling...I'm sure someone here has a photo. (I need one, too, for my late-64 rifle.)

That's a beautiful rifle. Be careful with that bipod on there! Those things are not nice to the barrel finish!

When you have time, I'd like to see the markings on the bipod (and is it riveted or does it have a c-clip?), the floorplates of the mags and maybe a couple shots of the bayonet and scabbard.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:42:37 PM
That shits LEGIT.
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Transitional bolt catch, and a cast FSB as well.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:52:56 PM
Beautiful weapon
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:53:32 PM
can you post a pic of the ejection port cover opened? i want to see if the detent housing is angled or round.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:24:07 AM
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Originally Posted By OlGunner:
Very, very nice!
I see the buffer tube is pinned, so we'll assume it's the original "early" tube. And I'm guessing it has the edgewater buffer?

The sling is not right. You need a black "601"-type sling...I'm sure someone here has a photo. (I need one, too, for my late-64 rifle.)

That's a beautiful rifle. Be careful with that bipod on there! Those things are not nice to the barrel finish!

When you have time, I'd like to see the markings on the bipod (and is it riveted or does it have a c-clip?), the floorplates of the mags and maybe a couple shots of the bayonet and scabbard.


The scope is Japan and on another SP1 I have.






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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:53:29 AM
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can you post a pic of the ejection port cover opened? i want to see if the detent housing is angled or round.


Is this the picture you wanted?



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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:01:27 AM
Does anyone need to see anymore pictures. So It seems that all indications are that this is an original 1964 legit SP1 ser#000300. except for the sling. So what do you guys think of the weapon?
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:19:51 AM
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Does anyone need to see anymore pictures. So It seems that all indications are that this is an original 1964 legit SP1 ser#000300. except for the sling. So what do you guys think of the weapon?


everything looks legit. by the other auction that closed, someone was willing to pay the reserve of $4900 for it.
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I like it. I definately don't know nearly enough about the early SP-1's. Would have generally thought the transitional BCG came later in time but SP-1's have always been a slightly different parts assembly than comparable M-16 military counterpart. P marked bolt is early production. Got a pic of the carrier? or BCG field stripped? Almost looks like a parkerized machined firing pin retainer in pic. Also interesting if mags are original that the 5.56 floorplate is 1964 vintage also.

I'm pretty sure the W German Eickhorn produced bayonet is 1970's production. What's stamped on the cross piece? Solingen-W Germany! Does it have the letter S in front of M-7 or just M-7? You do have a very nice early example rifle. Don't think it will ever see $10K value in our lifetime but it does have value.
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