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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:17:57 AM

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I know it's not the typical option for a thread but Shawnmt6601 said something about it in the girls with guns thread.
Used my googlefu and found a couple places that mention ERDL camo.
From what they say the following is a ERDL cover.
The DLA # is as follows:
DLA100-79-E-U-340
Can anyone out there confirm this is a ERDL cover?
I know it is probably 1979 and therefor not a Nam cover.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:25:38 AM
Yeah the -79- in the Defense Logistics Agency number indicates the contract for the cover was released in 1979. It is in fact an ERDL cover, but not the correct ERDL pattern for the Vietnam time frame. The pattern went thought an evolution through the course of it's life and a cover with a 79 date would be slightly different than the ERDL found on the 3rd pattern jungle fatigues and helmets issued during and immediately after Vietnam.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 6:25:04 AM
Mitchell camo is what you are looking for I think. They are out there but getting harder to find.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 1:48:04 PM
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Mitchell camo is correct Morg. Erdl didn't come out until later. I got one on eBay, the local surplus store has a basket full of Mitchell covers with numbers on them. I picked one up, and found through google that the one with printed numbers were used in training. I guess like boot camp and MOS schools. I can't confirm it though, that is away before my time.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 1:58:16 PM
ERDL covers can be seen in pics of the embassy evacuation, and the Mayaguez Incident. But if you are going for mid-war, a long flap Mitchell will work better.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 2:06:36 PM
Originally Posted By Booze:
Mitchell camo is correct Morg. Erdl didn't come out until later. I got one on eBay, the local surplus store has a basket full of Mitchell covers with numbers on them. I picked one up, and found through google that the one with printed numbers were used in training. I guess like boot camp and MOS schools. I can't confirm it though, that is away before my time.

That is correct.

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Posted: 8/3/2012 2:44:19 PM
Thanks for the info. all.
I will keep an eye for the correct cover at the fun shows.
Was wondering how rare, if at all the ERTL covers were?
I'm seeing various info. on the inrwebs about it.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 3:22:26 PM
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IIRC there are 2 color patterns for the ERDLs.One has more green,other more brown. One is less common then the other,but neither are really considered "rare". I'm waiting for a return call from Nicky,,he's well ejamacated on uniforms
ETA,Ok,Nick just called back. He's more info on the ERDL.
The ERDL pattern was actually developed in about 1948 but was not used . It was brought out for Nam starting about 1969ish. There is a "green dominant" pattern and a "brown dominant". The brown dom ones can be confused with later "woodland" camo covers.
Riggs,,check the insides of the "fingers" for makers marks.Within all the numbers will be the 2 digit year date when inspcting covers,,as you mentioned in the OP,,that 79 is the year manufactured..
ETA2. BTW,,there is also a post Nam uniform called the "rapid deployment" uniform that also used the ERDL helmet covers,,so you will see ERDL covers dated into the 1980s.These are likely what EnigmaSammich is referring to above with the slight differences from the early ones..
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Posted: 8/3/2012 5:03:40 PM
ERDL went through some geometry and color palette changes during its Mid 1960s to 1981 issue life span. RRiggs, the pattern you have is one of the last iterations of the pattern right before adoption of the m81 Woodland that we are all familiar with. During and immediately after Vietnam there were two color palettes for the pattern, a "highland" or "brown dominant" option and a "lowland" or "lime" or "green dominant" pattern. Not only do you see the colors change slightly over time, but you also see a slight change of the shapes. Typical Vietnam ERDL has a sort of fuzzy definition between shapes, and as time progressed, the outlines of the shapes became sharper. Pictured from left to right are "green dominant" 3rd pattern jacket dated 68, "brown dominant" 4th pattern jacket dated 78, transitional ERDL dated 78 also and a true transitional jacket that shares the color palette with Woodland but the geometry of ERDL dated 80, which is cut like the Woodland BDU (which is a different cut than earlier jungle uniforms) From what I have gathered, the material used to make the ERDL helmet covers was never exactly like that available in uniforms, and the one you have is probably closest in resemblance to the later patterns. Vietnam dated helmet ERDL covers do appear from time to time, but the ones with late 1970s dates are all over the place.

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Posted: 8/3/2012 6:20:38 PM
Beautiful side by sides and description EnigmaSammich. Thanks for posting this. I'll be saving it for sure.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 8:51:34 PM
Originally Posted By EnigmaSammich:
ERDL went through some geometry and color palette changes during its Mid 1960s to 1981 issue life span. RRiggs, the pattern you have is one of the last iterations of the pattern right before adoption of the m81 Woodland that we are all familiar with. During and immediately after Vietnam there were two color palettes for the pattern, a "highland" or "brown dominant" option and a "lowland" or "lime" or "green dominant" pattern. Not only do you see the colors change slightly over time, but you also see a slight change of the shapes. Typical Vietnam ERDL has a sort of fuzzy definition between shapes, and as time progressed, the outlines of the shapes became sharper. Pictured from left to right are "green dominant" 3rd pattern jacket dated 68, "brown dominant" 4th pattern jacket dated 78, transitional ERDL dated 78 also and a true transitional jacket that shares the color palette with Woodland but the geometry of ERDL dated 80, which is cut like the Woodland BDU (which is a different cut than earlier jungle uniforms) From what I have gathered, the material used to make the ERDL helmet covers was never exactly like that available in uniforms, and the one you have is probably closest in resemblance to the later patterns. Vietnam dated helmet ERDL covers do appear from time to time, but the ones with late 1970s dates are all over the place.

http://s12.postimage.org/5xry2u4el/P1010022.jpg


Nice collection! I have some myself but they are all in storage. I will have bust out my Nam stuff someday.


Speaking of late ERDL....anyone have a 80's ERDL helmet cover they just by chance wanna ....oh say..let go?
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Posted: 8/3/2012 9:25:46 PM
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Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Originally Posted By EnigmaSammich:
ERDL went through some geometry and color palette changes during its Mid 1960s to 1981 issue life span. RRiggs, the pattern you have is one of the last iterations of the pattern right before adoption of the m81 Woodland that we are all familiar with. During and immediately after Vietnam there were two color palettes for the pattern, a "highland" or "brown dominant" option and a "lowland" or "lime" or "green dominant" pattern. Not only do you see the colors change slightly over time, but you also see a slight change of the shapes. Typical Vietnam ERDL has a sort of fuzzy definition between shapes, and as time progressed, the outlines of the shapes became sharper. Pictured from left to right are "green dominant" 3rd pattern jacket dated 68, "brown dominant" 4th pattern jacket dated 78, transitional ERDL dated 78 also and a true transitional jacket that shares the color palette with Woodland but the geometry of ERDL dated 80, which is cut like the Woodland BDU (which is a different cut than earlier jungle uniforms) From what I have gathered, the material used to make the ERDL helmet covers was never exactly like that available in uniforms, and the one you have is probably closest in resemblance to the later patterns. Vietnam dated helmet ERDL covers do appear from time to time, but the ones with late 1970s dates are all over the place.

http://s12.postimage.org/5xry2u4el/P1010022.jpg


Nice collection! I have some myself but they are all in storage. I will have bust out my Nam stuff someday.


Speaking of late ERDL....anyone have a 80's ERDL helmet cover they just by chance wanna ....oh say..let go?

Yea,a hefty garbage bag full of Woodlands and ERDLS.


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Posted: 8/3/2012 9:52:13 PM
Where I don't see any????
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Posted: 8/3/2012 11:00:52 PM
Thanks for all the info guys, very much appreciated!
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