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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:46:09 PM
[Last Edit: 6/29/2012 1:36:46 AM by Cdenmark]
Does anyone know what sling would be correct for my build? What I have found so far, a canvas M1 or M14 might be correct. Thanks.
Can never go wrong on an earlier build with a M1 garand cotton sling. Jungle warfare did cause the change to nylon but there are still tons of un-issued USGI cotton slings out there and are still being produced today. Would have thought they could have figured out what the harsh climate will do to cotton in WWII in the Pacific. Didn't think the charging handle thing would work. Call me stupid but why buy a $40 charging handle to mess it all up. Why not buy a $15 already messed up charging handle? M-14 sling is nylon and not really correct but hard to tell otherwise from 5 ft. Wild how they cheapened up the cost's with a silent sling 70ish. |
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Posted: 6/29/2012 1:18:52 AM
Originally Posted By Cdenmark:
Does anyone know what sling would be correct for my build? What I have found so far, a canvas M1 or M14 might be correct. Thanks. Can never go wrong on an earlier build with a M1 garand cotton sling. Jungle warfare did cause the change to nylon but there are still tons of un-issued USGI cotton slings out there and are still being produced today. Would have thought they could have figured out what the harsh climate will do to cotton in WWII in the Pacific. Didn't thinnk the charging handle thing would work. Call me stupid but why buy a $40 charging handle to mess it all up. Why not buy a $15 already messed up charging handle? M-14 sling is nylon and not really correct but hard to tell otherwise from 5 ft. Wild how they cheapened up the cost's with a silent sling 70ish. This build has been very enlightening in learning about the M16A1 and it's accessories. Like you, I am amazed the army never applied the lessons learned from WWII in the Pacific in regards to using cotton and chrome lining. I have found a cotton sling that is advertised as an early M16 sling so I ordered it. We will see. As for the charging handle I was hoping to tint it green to more closely match the upper. It did not work but luckily I did not ruin it. You are right I should tried a beat up one first. ![]() |
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Posted: 6/29/2012 1:33:31 AM
[Last Edit: 7/4/2012 12:04:45 AM by Cdenmark]
Don't see a lot of greenish charging handles. Actually think I've only seen a couple. Beater off to Victor at US Anodizing. I'd recommend Charleyssurplus for a Garand sling caged in the bag for $8.50 but they have a $30 minimum. Good time to buy possibly the highest quality steel Swedish bayonet also or an Austrian lighter. Surplus stores used to sell them for $2 but I believe that is out the window today. Probably have 5 laying here on the floor where I swapped them out for a much more comfortable $1 surplus cargo strap/550 paracord/olive nylon thread homebrewed unit. I'd personally look for one with an anchor stamped on the compression locking buckle. Don't think the last one I got from Charleys had this stamp but they are the coolest ones in my opinion. Doubt if I'd pay more than $10 for one but I'm economical.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 7:57:07 AM
The sling I just ordered was $12.95 but with insurance and shipping it going to run $21.95. Ouch.
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Posted: 7/3/2012 11:06:02 PM
Small update. Got in the mail today original grey trigger guard and magazine button. ( Thanks boywonder777)
As I have left over lower parts from three modern build I decide to use them in this build. What parts I did not have I ordered from Sarco. Thos included a buffer tube and buffer. The grey pins you see are ones I did myself.
My fire control parts are DPMS.
The trigger, hammer pins, bolt catch, and magazine release are Stag.
Original parts.
Parts that I greyed.
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Posted: 7/3/2012 11:59:56 PM
[Last Edit: 7/4/2012 12:07:05 AM by Cdenmark]
Coming along very nicely and looks real good. If your budget would allow it I'd recommend buying from Brownells a set of JP yellow reduced power springs and a set of TTI reduced power red springs unless you can afford a better FCG which I'm not seeing one in the photos. You have done an excellent job so far.
On the FCG don't go overboard but a little finesse will go a long ways to increase potential accuracy and for having more fun. I use a trigger pull guage but it isn't necessary. A dab of polishing compound / jewelers rouge on the wear surfaces and work the trigger to get the gritty feeling out. I mix and match springs until I get a 5 lb pull. Personally I like a Colt M-16 disconnector spring which helps with any creep, a red hammer spring for using a variety of ammo and a yellow on the trigger for reduced pull. When working in the FCG just put your thumb in front of the hammer so it doesn't strike the bolt catch potentially causing damage and pull-reset-pull. . When you get it where you want it remove all the polishing compound / jewelers rouge residue and put a nice light coat of quality moly lube on the wear surfaces. Too much and it will attract grit. You're just trying to keep it from wearing down the parts. It should easily come out better than something you pay big bucks for in a single stage trigger and you did it yourself without screwing up the hardened parts. If too light switch the springs around. The reds are heavier than the yellows. Got more than one AR use the left over springs in another. Basic FCG tuning 101. There is a lot more one can do but that should be easy enough and last a very long time in a plinker. Last tip I used a corporation to set up my Brownells account for a little added discount. Great thing you're doing there. I personally prefer the GP cargo strap slings on my carbines and actually use modified padded M-60 slings on my rifles except for show. It's not uncommon for me to do a few miles in some pretty rugged terrain on a walkabout so I go for comfort and weapon accessibility without breaking the bank. |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:19:29 AM
I already had stoned the trigger and did a little polishing before I posted the pic. Thanks for the tip on moly grease and the springs. I am going to try the stock springs first to see how they work before I start trading thing out. I have had good luck with stock parts from Stag or Armalite LPKs, but who knows with DPMS.
Thanks for the tip on the M60 sling as well, if I was not trying to match my father's rifle I would use your idea. |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 10:46:10 PM
Got my sling finial. The ad was for a 601 or Sp1 sling and dummy me thought it would be an OD sling. Thoughts?
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Posted: 7/14/2012 10:44:55 PM
Picked up a few goodies to go along with my rifle. Even got the right sling this time.
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Posted: 7/14/2012 10:52:58 PM
Good adds, Kendo.
So what all do you still need to finish the rifle? Then what do you need to finish the rest of the tribute? Are you trying to replicate what your dad had in the original photo? |
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Posted: 7/14/2012 11:57:38 PM
[Last Edit: 7/15/2012 12:14:24 AM by Cdenmark]
Early SP-1 slings were black. Early 601 slings were green and a little difference in length. As stated earlier most VN rifles had M-1 garand slings. Actually kinda hard to find the original 601's unless you can get in a surplus store lot and then only 2 or 3 at the most usually. Check retro black rifle www under accessories for pics and details on slings. Should have sent you a sling but I apoologize for not offering. Looks like you should have enough pieces for the build. Can wait to see the pics.
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Posted: 7/15/2012 1:28:00 PM
Originally Posted By OlGunner:
Good adds, Kendo. So what all do you still need to finish the rifle? Then what do you need to finish the rest of the tribute? Are you trying to replicate what your dad had in the original photo? I just waiting for Nodak to do a run of A1 lowers to finish my rifle. At this point I have the upper complete and the head space checked. Really fighting the urge not to put it on a lower and take it out to try it. lol I am lucky when it comes to the web gear my dad has in his picture. he "borrowed" some web gear when he was in that I think he used in Korea. It is pretty close to the type 1956 gear so I could be wrong. I was just missing the mag pouches since I have just about everything else. I have added pieces over the years for my needs of hunting, hiking, and camping, but at its core it was the stuff my dad used. As you can guess I have plans for this stuff. Cdenmark, no worries on that. Your advice has been very helpful and insightful. To be honest without people giving me advice or helping with the parts this rifle would not happen as easy or as simple. As for the sling it is a 1959 dated M1 Garand sling, I think I am at least in the ball park this time. lol |
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Posted: 7/15/2012 11:34:34 PM
Do you guys have pics of rack numbers? I am thinking of using my dad's year off birth as a rack number. Doing something like 028 for 1928. Thanks.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 1:05:31 AM
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Posted: 7/24/2012 8:38:02 PM
Decide to try Naval Jelly on modern 20 round magazine just to see how it would turn out. It looks pretty good to me what do you guys think?
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Posted: 7/24/2012 8:53:18 PM
Is that a steel mag? Naval jelly is only recommended for parked steel.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 10:43:34 PM
Originally Posted By Kendo:
Decide to try Naval Jelly on modern 20 round magazine just to see how it would turn out. It looks pretty good to me what do you guys think? http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/Major_Kendo/100_3172.jpg http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/Major_Kendo/100_3173.jpg Thinking out of the box there! That looks like a sort of retro/modern mag. Like |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:41:27 AM
Doing something like 028 for 1928. Thanks.
Wow! One year younger than my dad. Not many of those left around. Naval jelly will remove oxidation/clean most anything metal. Will discolor some monkey metals but unfortunately one doesn't know until they try. Seems like the bases on antique hot wheels cars either love it or hate it. A little on a q-tip sure is cheaper and more time effective than the dremel buffer parts in many instances. |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:31:18 AM
Originally Posted By MrM1A1:
Is that a steel mag? Naval jelly is only recommended for parked steel. Aluminum mag. Far as I know it will not hurt the function at all and I figured if did not look right I could paint it grey. |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:36:21 AM
Originally Posted By Cdenmark:
Doing something like 028 for 1928. Thanks. Wow! One year younger than my dad. Not many of those left around. Naval jelly will remove oxidation/clean most anything metal. Will discolor some monkey metals but unfortunately one doesn't know until they try. Seems like the bases on antique hot wheels cars either love it or hate it. A little on a q-tip sure is cheaper and more time effective than the dremel buffer parts in many instances. This is the first time I have used Navel Jelly so I trying different things. When I tore down the mag the spring had rust on it. So I tried Jelly to remove the rust. Considering the cost of vintage magazines I figured if I could make a modern mag look like one I could save a little money for now. |
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Posted: 9/12/2012 12:47:53 PM
The receiver is in at my local toy shop. Pics later today.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 12:54:08 PM
[Last Edit: 9/12/2012 12:55:28 PM by MrM1A1]
Originally Posted By Kendo:
The receiver is in at my local toy shop. Pics later today. Awesome! I was just thinking of your project last night, wondering how it was coming along. Can't wait to see pics! I'll bet you're pretty excited. Editid fur spelin. |
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Posted: 9/12/2012 10:23:38 PM
First off I would like to thank everyone that has helped me with this build. Without the advice or aid though parts this would have been a more difficult build for me. I not going to lie, building this rifle I found myself more emotional invested in it then I thought. Tonight I could hear my dad calling it a waste of money and a piece of junk. Then telling everyone else how nice it was. To understand the humor you would have had to know my farther or someone like him. The one thing I wished is I had built it when he was alive.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 10:42:20 PM
Very nice build. It turned out good.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 11:38:45 PM
Tonight I could hear my dad calling it a waste of money and a piece of junk. Then telling everyone else how nice it was.
That's my dad! Probably of lot of our dad's. I am very glad you got it built and I'm sure he's admiring it along with all of us. My dad! Why plant flowers, you can't eat them. Why shoot targets, you can't eat them. Why race cars? Why race bikes? A waste of good fuel! Sorry for your loss. Mine has always been a real SOB but I hope he lives forever. He says his dad was even worse. He fell off a ladder working on a barn at 75, broke his wrist in two places and drove 50 miles home shifting gears all the way. Pretty tough old goat. Now at 84 he's slowing up a bit and I know it's really bothering/scaring him. Get to spend tomorrow being his helper enclosing part of a barn. He's gonna be a jerk more than likely but I wouldn't miss it for the world. |
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