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A word on Hipower clones for those that can't afford a Belgian or Canadian one: Besides Belgium, US, and Canada, Argentina and Hungary made 100% clones. THe early Hungarian made ones, I was told, were for contracts in Malaysia, etc. Only the earliest Hungarian ones were true P35 copies, and are marked only FEG 9mm. Every part is 100% interchangeable. THese are easily identified by the base of the grip being straight like the belgium ones. Later Hungarian had a swell at the base, and some others slightly changed lines and added vent ribs, etc. From what I can find out, they also made other internal changes. I got my Hungarian from a guy that handles lots of hipowers and he only had the earliest Hungarian ones like mine. THey are a good buy for the buck. I got mine for $219, but if you are careful to avoid the later ones, you can still find an early one for under $300. I did about 50 rounds of mixed ammo (FMJ and HPs) 100% function, and it was dead-nuts on at 10-15 yards.
EDIT: I just checked and he has several more early ones for $219.00 that are parkerized. Maybe from far east????? |
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
I couldn't wait until I got it - this is the seller's pic. I should have it soon. It was built supposedly by a Fort Benning armorer for the Army Marksmanship unit. I have no reason to not believe it. I've wanted another 1911 since I sold my last one to pay bills 25 years ago, and decided that turning 50 was as good a reason as any. I can't wait to shoot the thing! http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h92/Morg308/AMU2.jpg That looks like the Match grade pistols I shot in the Navy Pacific Fleet and All Navy matches back in the 1980s. They all shot extremely well. Nice catch! Ralph |
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Originally Posted By imarangemaster:
A word on Hipower clones for those that can't afford a Belgian or Canadian one: Besides Belgium, US, and Canada, Argentina and Hungary made 100% clones. THe early Hungarian made ones, I was told, were for contracts in Malaysia, etc. Only the earliest Hungarian ones were true P35 copies, and are marked only FEG 9mm. Every part is 100% interchangeable. THese are easily identified by the base of the grip being straight like the belgium ones. Later Hungarian had a swell at the base, and some others slightly changed lines and added vent ribs, etc. From what I can find out, they also made other internal changes. I got my Hungarian from a guy that handles lots of hipowers and he only had the earliest Hungarian ones like mine. THey are a good buy for the buck. I got mine for $219, but if you are careful to avoid the later ones, you can still find an early one for under $300. I did about 50 rounds of mixed ammo (FMJ and HPs) 100% function, and it was dead-nuts on at 10-15 yards. EDIT: I just checked and he has several more early ones for $219.00 that are parkerized. Maybe from far east????? Stephen A. Camp, shorthly before he unfortunately passed away earlier this year, long before his due time, recommended this website for detailed information on the FEG guns: FEG info here Stephen's most excellent website is still operational, and well worth reading the reviews and stories archived there. The family has his disassembly manuals and other very useful publications still available for purchase here: Stephen A Camp Hipower site Rangemaster, could you be persuaded to tell us who might have the older FEG's for $219? |
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The gunbroker seller is "gcolecoledist" Auction search "FEG High Power" Then check all his auctions LOTS of original BHPs, FEGs Israeli Kareem HPs, S&W and Beretta police trade ins. I think he has a couple FM Argentine High Powers, too.
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My man. Thanks very much!
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"I need a weapon that when I shoot somebody, they go down, they stay down. Sir, I need a CAR-15."
- John Plaster G17 since 4/26/10 |
BTT, this one needs a sticky.
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They're ivory. Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol. Patton
"We need more Patton and less patent leather!" --Michael Savage |
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/2c66b5a2.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/070c0044.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/070c0044.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Guns & Liquor, a great idea.... Nice hammerless |
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"I need a weapon that when I shoot somebody, they go down, they stay down. Sir, I need a CAR-15."
- John Plaster G17 since 4/26/10 |
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Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Here is my 1911A1 on my XM177 clone.. http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8324/stuff027.jpg Nice! |
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Life ain't hard, but it's too long to live it like some country song.
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Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Here is my 1911A1 on my XM177 clone.. http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8324/stuff027.jpg Nice! Yeah. Love the simple look of the park'd GI version. What's the make? I've always thought 1911's look like they were desgned by both a firearms genius and an artist! I also think "Last Man Standing" is mandatory viewing for any 1911 fan. |
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Originally Posted By cb7:
I also think "Last Man Standing" is mandatory viewing for any 1911 fan. I bought that DVD right after I bought my 1911. |
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Life ain't hard, but it's too long to live it like some country song.
MoS #4 |
Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By cb7:
I also think "Last Man Standing" is mandatory viewing for any 1911 fan. I bought that DVD right after I bought my 1911. That does it. I'm going to get some grub, rent the movie, and park my butt on the couch for a while. |
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Originally Posted By 57Octane: I only have one retro side arm at the moment. I always wanted a Colt 1911 so on my 21st birthday I went to the gun shop, came across the 1918 Black Army replica and snatched it up. The guy threw in a free drink too. I threw together a couple of retro photo collage things to practice my "prop" making skills and my photography skills. I was going for the ATF theme using 1918 period items. I kind of doubt they had Sazerac Rye back then but, the bottle looked the part. Everything else you see in the picture is "fake". There's not a single real vintage piece in there. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/GKCF/Militaria/1918colfrposting.jpg This one is more WW2 inspired. A proper WW2 era pistol is on my "to buy/build" list. The cartridge box in this picture is the real deal, head stamped 1942. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c248/GKCF/Militaria/ww2colfrposting.jpg I'd really love to get my hands on a 1911 from 1911. I'm also on the watch for a 1900/1902 Colt .38 auto. Not much of a problem finding so much as it is funding. That would be difficult, Colt did not begin production of the 1911 until March of 1912. |
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Originally Posted By cb7:
Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By Jeremy2171:
Here is my 1911A1 on my XM177 clone.. http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8324/stuff027.jpg Nice! Yeah. Love the simple look of the park'd GI version. What's the make? I've always thought 1911's look like they were desgned by both a firearms genius and an artist! I also think "Last Man Standing" is mandatory viewing for any 1911 fan. '43 Rem-Rand with mid -80's USGI parts for a late "rebuild" Desert Storm look. |
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/6575ce2a.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Is that a Seiko? Kinda retro. |
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Got the .45 but haven't shot it yet - need to pick up ammo & find the time, but it's the tightest 1911 I've ever handledd, and the trigger is phenomenal! Feels like 4# with no takeup or creep. Unbelievably clean break. I can't friggin' wait!
ETA: Motorpirate - tell us more about that 'Rhodesian' I like the look of it. Looks like a CZ model of Hi-power...Any good links? ETA2: Olgunner sent me a flat backstrap and a Remington Rand slide for it - now to find a barrel, bushing and have it fitted - it'd be nice to have a spare 'carry' setup, and keep the Nm slide & barrel for range time. |
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"It was as natural as eating, and to me as necessary, and I would not have thought of eating a meal without drinking beer." - Ernest Hemingway
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Originally Posted By motorpirate:
Here's my "Rhodesian". It will be familiar to anyone who lurks on the CZ site. Most over there wanted me to refinish it. NOT!!!!http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/bearhunter500/07152010016.jpg When I used to work at FAC we got in a small batch of those, most were beat to shit and missing some parts. We were able to cobble one together and my buddy still has it. I love the CZ75 design. (but mine is a .45acp) |
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Yes, our parts are tight, we did that on purpose.
Don't sweat it. It's a service rifle, not a Fabergé egg. "Hognose' |
Originally Posted By yankee-V:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/2c66b5a2.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/070c0044.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff517/TexasRetro556/070c0044.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Guns & Liquor, a great idea.... Nice hammerless Thirty-five years ago, when I lived in CA., there was a gun store a few blocks from my house. It's name was "Hiram's Guns and Spirits" One side was a liquor store and the other was the gun shop. You could move between the two as it was the same building and owner. Always thought that was kind of odd, especially for CA. I wonder if they are still in business. Ralph |
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In the 1970s in Watsonville, CA, there was "Country Cousin's" liquor, guns, and fishing tackle. Bough my Ruger 10-22 there in 1973, as well as other guns and hunting and fishing licenses. No longer there. In fact, Valley Spoprts, which was a large gunshop and sporting goods store also in Watsonville, is long gone, too. Small gunshops are nearly extinct in California, now.
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Location: Danger City
Population: Me |
Nice harness, there's a blast from the past.
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Love the Browning Hipower! You need to get a canadian P51 holster like i did for mine with the external spare mag pouch. I also picked up some Belgian dual pocket spare mag pouches! I love my HP. If it is good enough for SAS, it is good enough for me. Besides, I shoot my BHP better than any other handgun I have shot.
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Where did you get the Canadian holster?
That is what I carried my P35 in when I was in El Salvador. Is the mag pouch on yours metal-lined? |
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You should refurb one of those boats uxb was on when he got a lift with some guys who really weren't there to where he wasn't going from where he never was. - Kitties with Sigs
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Yep, metal lined. I paid about $45 for it. I think the guy I got it from had more. I'll dig out his info for you.
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Thank you, sir.
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You should refurb one of those boats uxb was on when he got a lift with some guys who really weren't there to where he wasn't going from where he never was. - Kitties with Sigs
I ♥ Lisbeth Salander |
Originally Posted By uxb:
Thank you, sir. I IM'ed you some links. |
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"I need a weapon that when I shoot somebody, they go down, they stay down. Sir, I need a CAR-15."
- John Plaster G17 since 4/26/10 |
Originally Posted By OlGunner:
BERETTA 92's AIN'T RETRO!! Sorry. Had to be said! I remember being issued my 92 in the 80's. Wasn't happy to give up my 1911A1 but wanted to give the peashooter a fair shot. Didn't really like the grip shape, but that's a personal thing colored by years of working the .45. The 92 was a decent shooter––good accuracy. Nice range gun. And it was fun having the high-cap mag. I worked it enough to accept (not like, but accept) the DA first shot and even learned to trust the decocker. But it turned into too darn much work to keep them running. Tolerances were tight for a military weapon and coupled with low-bid ammo, hard-to-clear jams were common. Even on the training range, they had to be kept scrupulously cleaned and lubed. Would have hated to rely on them in a field environment. (Disclaimer––this may have changed by now. Ours were among the earliest M9s delivered.) The real problem, though, was the slide destruction. when I left the armory, I had 11 (or 13?) case files on my desk of slide separation. The propaganda of the day said there were only one or two incidents, among the SEAL teams, when they were using special-purpose ammo. Well, I can tell you that was BS. The problem was the metallurgy and slide design. The slide recesses for the locking lug block simply made the sidewalls too thin. The temporary "fix" at the time I left was a JCS instruction to replace the slides every 1,000 rounds. (Yep, one thousand rounds––I'm not missing a digit there.) Considering we had 110 M9s (iirc) and would put 5k-10k through each during a full training program, that was a ridiculous solution, even n a temporary basis. We did it, of course (I had to scramble all over to find enough replacement slides to keep us going), and upon inspection, found an unacceptably high percentage of cracked slides. I always wondered how long they would have lasted without the slide replacements. Of course, then there was the longer-term groove & pin "fix". It wouldn't stop the breakage, but was supposed to stop the rear of the slide from hitting you in the face when it came apart. Real reassuring in a life-and-death situation. Like I said, I'm sure they've improved the metallurgy significantly since then, and maybe loosened the tolerances (or improved the ammo), so they're probably a much better service pistol now than they were originally. But back then, I put mine back in the vault and retrieved my 1911A1. ...Which, tragically, I have no photos of–– but in the interest of getting back to the topic of the forum, I can tell you it was a WWII-era Union Switch & Signal like the one in the pic below (lifted from the web), except mine wasn't nearly as pretty as this one... Mine was tuned and refinished (parked), so it wouldn't have the collector value it once did, but it was a good pistol. Sure wish I owned it now. Incidentally, the other Gunners at the armory who opted to keep .45s fought over Colts. I was the only one who wanted the USS. I'd like to say it was because I was retro, even back then...but to be honest, I just liked the USS logo. http://www.model1911a1.com/images/US&S/1096237L.jpg I lived half a block from the US&S factory. |
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Originally Posted By Cal30M1:
My retro sleepin buddy! http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/M1911/01.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/M1911/02.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/M1911/03.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/Cal30M1/M1911/04.jpg Sooooo hot!!! |
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Hell, on a clear night, we might even get Galveston!
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Originally Posted By uboat534:
Not sure if any of these apply but here is my retro stuff. Left to right P-38 AC41, Paps US&S 1911, Waa marked Highpower, Washington Steel defense contrator marked Victory S&W ,Inglis MK I* highpower and Gladys my personal carry weapon. Ironicly paps 1911 was made 25 miles from his home of record and the S&W is from the same steel company he retired from. Which is up the road from me and it was bought in GA in a pawn shop off base from FT. Stewart. I brought it back to PA when I left active duty. small world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/uboat534/DSC_0016.jpg Aren't Union Switch & Signal 1911's somewhat rare? |
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Hell, on a clear night, we might even get Galveston!
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"Aren't Union Switch & Signal 1911's somewhat rare?"
The very first 45 handed to me in the military was a Union Switch & Signal, and I never saw another. I remember thinking there were supposed to be very few manufactured. After that, all I remember were Remington Rand guns, which is not surprising considering the production numbers. Some numbers I dug out of Clawson's Collector's Guide to the Colt .45 Service Pistols Models of 1911 & 1911A1, for WWII Ordnance District Procurement Records: Remington Rand: 877,751 Colt 575,632 (not including pre-December 1941 production) Ithaca 335,466 US&S 55,000 "exactly" (production terminated in October 1943) Singer 500 (educational order). Note that Remington Rand produced almost as many as Colt and Ithaca put together, but as Clawson says, Colt was also busy with machine gun production. Also note that some or all of the WWII production numbers except for US&S may be approximate. There was, as they say, a war on. Clawson notes the following about US&S: "As a general rule, US&S produced high quality pistols, and did not experience the serious production difficulties that were experienced by Ithaca and Remington Rand." I am told that if you see a Singer, it's almost certainly a fake, but I'm no expert on any of these. |
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Originally Posted By Andouille:
"Aren't Union Switch & Signal 1911's somewhat rare?" The very first 45 handed to me in the military was a Union Switch & Signal, and I never saw another. I remember thinking there were supposed to be very few manufactured. After that, all I remember were Remington Rand guns, which is not surprising considering the production numbers. Some numbers I dug out of Clawson's Collector's Guide to the Colt .45 Service Pistols Models of 1911 & 1911A1, for WWII Ordnance District Procurement Records: Remington Rand: 877,751 Colt 575,632 (not including pre-December 1941 production) Ithaca 335,466 US&S 55,000 "exactly" (production terminated in October 1943) Singer 500 (educational order). Note that Remington Rand produced almost as many as Colt and Ithaca put together, but as Clawson says, Colt was also busy with machine gun production. Also note that some or all of the WWII production numbers except for US&S may be approximate. There was, as they say, a war on. Clawson notes the following about US&S: "As a general rule, US&S produced high quality pistols, and did not experience the serious production difficulties that were experienced by Ithaca and Remington Rand." I am told that if you see a Singer, it's almost certainly a fake, but I'm no expert on any of these. Thanks for that. So US&S made both M1911's and 1911A1's? The one that uboat posted is an M1911. |
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Hell, on a clear night, we might even get Galveston!
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Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By uboat534:
Not sure if any of these apply but here is my retro stuff. Left to right P-38 AC41, Paps US&S 1911, Waa marked Highpower, Washington Steel defense contrator marked Victory S&W ,Inglis MK I* highpower and Gladys my personal carry weapon. Ironicly paps 1911 was made 25 miles from his home of record and the S&W is from the same steel company he retired from. Which is up the road from me and it was bought in GA in a pawn shop off base from FT. Stewart. I brought it back to PA when I left active duty. small world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/uboat534/DSC_0016.jpg Aren't Union Switch & Signal 1911's somewhat rare? Not as rare as the Singers, but pretty hard to find, complete and in decent condition. That's one I'd still like to add to my humble collection. They're especially nice, of course, when they have a family history! Nice little selection of retro handguns, UBoat! |
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I think any old AR15 accessory marked with the "Armalite" brand is cool. You know--like the earliest bipods. Yep...having one of those early, Armalite-marked bipods would be cool. Definitely cool. I'm just sayin'.
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Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By Andouille:
"Aren't Union Switch & Signal 1911's somewhat rare?" The very first 45 handed to me in the military was a Union Switch & Signal, and I never saw another. I remember thinking there were supposed to be very few manufactured. After that, all I remember were Remington Rand guns, which is not surprising considering the production numbers. Some numbers I dug out of Clawson's Collector's Guide to the Colt .45 Service Pistols Models of 1911 & 1911A1, for WWII Ordnance District Procurement Records: Remington Rand: 877,751 Colt 575,632 (not including pre-December 1941 production) Ithaca 335,466 US&S 55,000 "exactly" (production terminated in October 1943) Singer 500 (educational order). Note that Remington Rand produced almost as many as Colt and Ithaca put together, but as Clawson says, Colt was also busy with machine gun production. Also note that some or all of the WWII production numbers except for US&S may be approximate. There was, as they say, a war on. Clawson notes the following about US&S: "As a general rule, US&S produced high quality pistols, and did not experience the serious production difficulties that were experienced by Ithaca and Remington Rand." I am told that if you see a Singer, it's almost certainly a fake, but I'm no expert on any of these. Thanks for that. So US&S made both M1911's and 1911A1's? The one that uboat posted is an M1911. Good eye. I am NOT an expert, but I don't believe US&S made any 1911s. If UBoat cares to share some closeups and the SN range, we might be able to learn more. |
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I think any old AR15 accessory marked with the "Armalite" brand is cool. You know--like the earliest bipods. Yep...having one of those early, Armalite-marked bipods would be cool. Definitely cool. I'm just sayin'.
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Its an A-1 with an early spring housing. The frame is RCD so my guess is it was prob replaced at some point.
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What The Hell Happened To Me?!?
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Originally Posted By uboat534:
Its an A-1 with an early spring housing. The frame is RCD so my guess is it was prob replaced at some point. Thanks, uboat. Wasn't trying to detract from your pistol, but just curious. It's far nicer than anything I'll probably ever own. |
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Hell, on a clear night, we might even get Galveston!
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