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Posted: 7/29/2010 4:01:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2010 4:21:16 PM EST by Cdenmark]
Could someone please tell me what year these were introduced. The one I have is not relieved on the side. Was told it was off a Colt M-16. Sorry no pics. Looks just like an A-2 round plunger but much larger diameter. Thanks.

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Link Posted: 7/29/2010 6:29:05 PM EST
I ordered some spare forward asists in '75 and got that type - first time I ever saw one.

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Link Posted: 7/29/2010 6:35:37 PM EST
Ive never seen this. How can it be bigger than the A2/ M4 plunger?
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Link Posted: 7/29/2010 6:48:50 PM EST
Fathead early A2 plunger.

Seen with or without shaved sides. The shaved sides are there so it can clear A2 lowers, I guess the first ones were used with A1 lowers.

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Link Posted: 7/29/2010 6:48:55 PM EST
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Ive never seen this. How can it be bigger than the A2/ M4 plunger?


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Link Posted: 7/29/2010 6:51:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By MarkRSims:
Originally Posted By jhud:
Ive never seen this. How can it be bigger than the A2/ M4 plunger?

Like this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=181271107

Yep. And here's one with the cut to clear an A2 lower: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=181643094.

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Link Posted: 7/29/2010 7:38:50 PM EST
Thanks all for the response. Thought early A-2 but wasn't sure. Wrong forum, right answer.

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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 12:32:28 AM EST
The large diameter FA I've got has the relief cut.
I think I've had it on my A2 for at least 15 years,
I can still remember buying it at the first Bluegrass
Armory here in Louisville (when they were on Preston
Street).

Damn its been a loooong time.

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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 6:23:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2010 2:05:47 PM EST by Dawg180]
There are five versions of the forward assist:

M16A1 "teardrop"
M16A1 "large round"
M16A1 Elisco made "large domed round"
M16A1/M16A1 "large round" with relief cut on left to clear M16A2 lower reinforcement
M16A2 "small round"

[ETA] Added Elisco made one
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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 7:38:25 AM EST
Yes, our parts are tight, we did that on purpose.


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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 8:05:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2010 8:12:18 AM EST by TexSquirrel]
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
There are four version of the forward assist:

M16A1 "teardrop"
M16A1 "large round" or "fathead round" as referred to above
M16A1/M16A1 "large round" with relief cut on left to clear M16A2 lower reinforcement
M16A2 "small round"


...and this one:










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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 8:16:35 AM EST
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That the phillipine made one?

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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 12:22:55 PM EST
So is that one known as the big dome head?

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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 6:13:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By MarkRSims:
Originally Posted By jhud:
Ive never seen this. How can it be bigger than the A2/ M4 plunger?


Like this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=181271107


Ooh thats nice.

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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 6:15:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By TexSquirrel:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
There are four version of the forward assist:

M16A1 "teardrop"
M16A1 "large round" or "fathead round" as referred to above
M16A1/M16A1 "large round" with relief cut on left to clear M16A2 lower reinforcement
M16A2 "small round"


...and this one:
http://www.pullig.com/pics/weapons/Elisco_forward_assist.jpg

http://www.pullig.com/pics/weapons/Elisco_forward_assist2.jpg

http://www.pullig.com/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/Elisco_613-P_upper-600x277.jpg





Elisco large head forward assist



That parts looks like the feet of a harris bipod.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2010 9:58:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/30/2010 10:02:47 PM EST by Beel]
Originally Posted By mike_nds:
I built a whole rifle around a "large head" FA button and a Gray A2 upper.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/A2_b.jpg


Man, You've got it bad Mike.
How about I send you a shiny black slipring, what would you build around it?

jhud, you're right, the Elisco does look like a Harris bipod foot!


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Link Posted: 7/31/2010 6:37:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By jhud:
Originally Posted By MarkRSims:
Originally Posted By jhud:
Ive never seen this. How can it be bigger than the A2/ M4 plunger?


Like this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=181271107


Ooh thats nice.

Speaking of this part.. You never miss it until you need it.


Yeah, I had just bought one from this guy a couple of weeks ago. It was new. I ended up putting it on the .458 Socom so I could have the teardrop for the IDF carbine I'm about to finish.
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