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So I came into a sad old 20ga Ithaca 37.
Toe of the stock is busted off, about 3" worth. There's a dent in the barrel right around 18-3/8". Looks like it was rusted then cold blued. Was planning to sell it with some other old junkers, but given the poetic location of the dent I'm thinking about making it a "light riot" gun. Thoughts? |
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Originally Posted By 53vortec:
So I came into a sad old 20ga Ithaca 37. Toe of the stock is busted off, about 3" worth. There's a dent in the barrel right around 18-3/8". Looks like it was rusted then cold blued. Was planning to sell it with some other old junkers, but given the poetic location of the dent I'm thinking about making it a "light riot" gun. Thoughts? View Quote DO IT & post pics!! Would love to find a nice 20-ga M37 |
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If you can find a grip, you can make it a 20 gauge Ithaca Stakeout gun.
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Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Thanks for the heads up on these, I've been looking for a beat up 1200 and found one today. $100 otd, some bubba cut the barrel crooked at 23 5/8". It's ugly, but the bore/chamber is mirror, the internals are in VG condition, and it shucks snap caps like a boss . I cleaned a few years worth of gunk/crap off of it and cut/finished the bbl @ 20 1/4" per Canfield's A Collectors Guide to United States Combat Shotguns, pg. 156. According to the book, an unknown number of these came into Army inventory in 1968-69, both riot and trench, and some were supposedly still in inventory as late as 2005. Now off to search for a bayonet lug/heatshield that will fit and a gunsmith to park it... ETA: iDerp pic <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160818_141902_zpsh0rfkmpx.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160818_141902_zpsh0rfkmpx.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Originally Posted By 504PIR:
All, FYI, Dupage Trading has NIW USGI Model 1200 Furniture in stock. Thanks for the heads up on these, I've been looking for a beat up 1200 and found one today. $100 otd, some bubba cut the barrel crooked at 23 5/8". It's ugly, but the bore/chamber is mirror, the internals are in VG condition, and it shucks snap caps like a boss . I cleaned a few years worth of gunk/crap off of it and cut/finished the bbl @ 20 1/4" per Canfield's A Collectors Guide to United States Combat Shotguns, pg. 156. According to the book, an unknown number of these came into Army inventory in 1968-69, both riot and trench, and some were supposedly still in inventory as late as 2005. Now off to search for a bayonet lug/heatshield that will fit and a gunsmith to park it... ETA: iDerp pic <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160818_141902_zpsh0rfkmpx.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160818_141902_zpsh0rfkmpx.jpg</a> Good deal on the Winchester. You should be able to file the barrel square or have someone turn it on a lathe. |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov:
Good deal on the Winchester. You should be able to file the barrel square or have someone turn it on a lathe. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cherenkov:
Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
Originally Posted By 504PIR:
All, FYI, Dupage Trading has NIW USGI Model 1200 Furniture in stock. Thanks for the heads up on these, I've been looking for a beat up 1200 and found one today. $100 otd, some bubba cut the barrel crooked at 23 5/8". It's ugly, but the bore/chamber is mirror, the internals are in VG condition, and it shucks snap caps like a boss . I cleaned a few years worth of gunk/crap off of it and cut/finished the bbl @ 20 1/4" per Canfield's A Collectors Guide to United States Combat Shotguns, pg. 156. According to the book, an unknown number of these came into Army inventory in 1968-69, both riot and trench, and some were supposedly still in inventory as late as 2005. Now off to search for a bayonet lug/heatshield that will fit and a gunsmith to park it... ETA: iDerp pic <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160818_141902_zpsh0rfkmpx.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160818_141902_zpsh0rfkmpx.jpg</a> Good deal on the Winchester. You should be able to file the barrel square or have someone turn it on a lathe. Thanks, and I already cut it/squared it up w/a level and file. It's exactly 20 1/4" on a closed bolt in that pic, per the Specs in the Collectors book. The total, with shipping, on the USGI furniture was $74. |
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Heads up to anybody looking to build a Stevens 77 Viet Nam gun. This parts kit is on gunbroker now withnthe red recoil pad. A little pricey if you just need the pad , but there are other good parts with it
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/578303714 |
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Got my 1200 furniture today, but the stock is not cut for a sling swivel, so I have to cut it out myself so I can screw on a stamped 1903 swivel. Also, the colors don't match, but I don't care. Pics when done, with seatbelt sling.
Does anyone know what the original metal finish on these were? I want to have the metal refinished, but want it to be correct. We're the receivers "Alumahyded" black and the rest parkerized? |
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These are begging to be retro'd
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/586605397 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/585466956 |
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IIRC the original finish on the M1200 receiver was blued, but the barrel was parkarized.....
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Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
<a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093349_zps0ievqcgj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093349_zps0ievqcgj.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093404_zpsaivnvyox.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093404_zpsaivnvyox.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093410_zpsevgewtyi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093410_zpsevgewtyi.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093439_zpskypkma2u.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093439_zpskypkma2u.jpg</a> View Quote Ok first let me say this is a cool build. And I like it ! Now I'm no expert so feel free to correct me if I'm out of line. You attached the rear sling swivel with Philips head screws. I'd think slotted head screw would be more appropriate. ?? |
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Originally Posted By survivor45:
Ok first let me say this is a cool build. And I like it ! Now I'm no expert so feel free to correct me if I'm out of line. You attached the rear sling swivel with Philips head screws. I'd think slotted head screw would be more appropriate. ?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By survivor45:
Originally Posted By mech4matsnova:
<a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093349_zps0ievqcgj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093349_zps0ievqcgj.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093404_zpsaivnvyox.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093404_zpsaivnvyox.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093410_zpsevgewtyi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093410_zpsevgewtyi.jpg</a> <a href="http://s258.photobucket.com/user/mech4matsnova/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093439_zpskypkma2u.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh271/mech4matsnova/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_093439_zpskypkma2u.jpg</a> Ok first let me say this is a cool build. And I like it ! Now I'm no expert so feel free to correct me if I'm out of line. You attached the rear sling swivel with Philips head screws. I'd think slotted head screw would be more appropriate. ?? Came from numrich as "1903 sling swivel screws". I think the later ones had Phillips head screws, not sure about the 1200s. It's a cut down bird gun anyway. |
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I was just surfing the Sarco website, and it looks like they have new Stevens 77e stocks with buttpads in stock.
Sarco Stevens 77e GI stock with buttpad |
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Need more 1897 Trench Guns in here
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Originally Posted By VAAR:
Been working on a civvie Stevens 77E and and one of those Arizona National Guard Savage 69R-H's for going on 6 years now and finally got the furniture this week. Feels great, almost like getting all that green 601 furniture together. Now all I need is The rear sling swivels. Anyone have a couple of rear sling swivels they're willing to part with? Failing that, can someone give me the dimensions on a rear swivel? http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/96324/IMG-7352-122940.jpg View Quote Do you need the rear swivel screws? http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/993420.htm pin for rear swivel http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/993430.htm The swivels for the 1 1/4" slings look pretty much the same as the 1" swivels, stamped out of sheet steel and bent to shape (link to 1" swivel) http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1119680A.htm It may be possible to straighten one of these and calculate how much material needs to be added to gain the extra width if one wanted to fab a set. One or two guys reported in as substituting AR15 swivels in place of the hard to find Model 77 swivels. Some guys bought several of the Numrich stocks http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/955130H.htm just to get a pair of swivels when they were still in stock. Front swivel barrel band and screw, similar to those used on the early type 77E's http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/994840A.htm http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/994860A.htm |
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Imagine my disappointment, when I discovered my new to me Ithaca 37 riot has a disconnector (the funny looking little thing sticking up behind the hammer). According to the serial number chart on the interwebs she was made in 1968. http://ithacagunrepair.com/IGSN/IGSN.html I thought these things had slam fire triggers well into the 1970's? Oh well. Pics later, she was a dirty girl and poorly stored. Some minor pitting in the bore and some surface rust. If I had the money she would be blasted and re-parked. For now she will be cleaned, oiled, and preserved. |
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Originally Posted By 44Echo10:
Do you need the rear swivel screws? http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/993420.htm pin for rear swivel http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/993430.htm The swivels for the 1 1/4" slings look pretty much the same as the 1" swivels, stamped out of sheet steel and bent to shape (link to 1" swivel) http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1119680A.htm It may be possible to straighten one of these and calculate how much material needs to be added to gain the extra width if one wanted to fab a set. One or two guys reported in as substituting AR15 swivels in place of the hard to find Model 77 swivels. Some guys bought several of the Numrich stocks http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/955130H.htm just to get a pair of swivels when they were still in stock. Front swivel barrel band and screw, similar to those used on the early type 77E's http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/994840A.htm http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/994860A.htm View Quote Thanks for the links. I'm trying to get as close to original as I can. I have the front swivel on my Savage 69R-H. I'm thinking of fabbing a couple of those if they're the same as the rear? Before pics Savage 69R-H top, Stevens 77E bottom |
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Originally Posted By 44Echo10:
Imagine my disappointment, when I discovered my new to me Ithaca 37 riot has a disconnector (the funny looking little thing sticking up behind the hammer). According to the serial number chart on the interwebs she was made in 1968. http://ithacagunrepair.com/IGSN/IGSN.html I thought these things had slam fire triggers well into the 1970's? Oh well. Pics later, she was a dirty girl and poorly stored. Some minor pitting in the bore and some surface rust. If I had the money she would be blasted and re-parked. For now she will be cleaned, oiled, and preserved. View Quote That disconnector can be fixed... |
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Originally Posted By VAAR:
Thanks for the links. I'm trying to get as close to original as I can. I have the front swivel on my Savage 69R-H. I'm thinking of fabbing a couple of those if they're the same as the rear? Before pics Savage 69R-H top, Stevens 77E bottom https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/96324/IMG-7392-123381.jpg View Quote Nice looking shotguns. The front and rear swivels were the same. Is that one of the model 69 riots that summitgunbroker sold? |
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Originally Posted By 44Echo10:
Nice looking shotguns. The front and rear swivels were the same. Is that one of the model 69 riots that summitgunbroker sold? View Quote Thanks for the swivel info! No, got the 69 from Phoenix Distributors in PA, which as I understand also got a big lot of the Arizona guns. |
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Originally Posted By VAAR:
That disconnector can be fixed... View Quote This one is functional so I'll leave it.... but think I may purchase a second complete trigger assembly sans disco sometime in the future. I still need to replace a plastic trigger housing with a metal one on a newer 870 to retro-ize it. Need more money ...or fewer guns. Nah, definitely more dinero. |
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Originally Posted By Highpower308: OK:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Firearms/Winchester/Winchester97/i-KRLM5jg/2/XL/IMG_4427-XL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Firearms/Winchester/Winchester97/i-wKh5NJX/1/XL/IMG_1009-XL.jpg View Quote The huns really didn't like that pointed @ them. |
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Originally Posted By --FLEET--:
Finally got the rear sling swivel on my 'state of Arizona' savage stand-in for a 77E I posted awhile back. Ordered the numrich stud and swivel loop that was suggested. The stud worked perfectly but didn't quite like the different style loop. I had an old loop from a Type D stock that I sent to John Thomas along with some other projects and had them reparked and attached with a roll pin. I suppose it could pass for in field repair . Really happy with how it looks and I suppose It would accommodate a rifle sling but I'll probably leave the m1 carbine sling on it for now. View Quote That looks great! I got the numnuts stud too but I'm going to fab the swivel loop, making copies of the one on the front of my Arizona gun. When I get to it is another matter. ETA: Trying to figure out how I'm going to park it too. I don't think the barrel and receiver will fit into the fish poacher parking tank I use for AR barrels. |
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Nice catch. My local pawnshop marks stuff at high retail. Lived in Jax for years BTW, Mandarin area and St. Aug...miss it, especially this time of year!
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I always love pawn shop shopping, I unfortunately missed out on an unmolested 1903A3 Springfield at the same pawn shop for $250 by a week.
I actually live just outside of Jacksonville down the river a bit in Green Cove. Commute to UNF and work everyday though and pass through Mandarin frequently. Weather has been great as of late, had a bit of a chill about a week and a half ago, but it's hanging around 65 degrees at night and 75-80 during the day now. So nice and comfy. |
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N/M, misread, but I would not cut up that early of a gun if I could keep from it. Plenty of newer ones out there that will fulfill the same purpose without destroying a piece of history.
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If it makes you feel any better the barrel has an ever so slight bulge near the muzzle.
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Originally Posted By RetroJaxGuy:
1906 manufactured Remington Model 11, $200 cash OTD, missing the right side shell lifter screw which is already on its way from Numrich. She's going to be getting a pseudo military issue riot gun makeover soon. Going to chop the barrel to 20 inches, install a new brass bead, refinish and repair the furniture, parkerize the whole thing, and I'm using an M1 Thompson stamped stock sling swivel for the rear sling swivel. I'll be sure to show it off when it's all done. View Quote Dammit. Went on a gun & pawn shop crawl this morning with a buddy. He was just a little quicker on the grab than I was for your shotgun's pert neart twin, round knob grip stock, no date code on the barrel, serial number in the 45,000's or thereabouts, probably fairly close to yours. $210 plus tax. Dammit. And I been looking for one of those dang things, too. If you're using an M1 Thompson swivel for the rear, what are you using for a front swivel, or have you got that far? |
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Great, I like seeing everyone's new projects on here. It has been a while. I have to get back to my 520 project soon. Picked up a repo heat shield/Bayo mount.
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Originally Posted By Highpower308:
OK: https://photos.smugmug.com/Firearms/Winchester/Winchester97/i-KRLM5jg/2/XL/IMG_4427-XL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Firearms/Winchester/Winchester97/i-wKh5NJX/1/XL/IMG_1009-XL.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Andouille:
Dammit. Went on a gun & pawn shop crawl this morning with a buddy. He was just a little quicker on the grab than I was for your shotgun's pert neart twin, round knob grip stock, no date code on the barrel, serial number in the 45,000's or thereabouts, probably fairly close to yours. $210 plus tax. Dammit. And I been looking for one of those dang things, too. If you're using an M1 Thompson swivel for the rear, what are you using for a front swivel, or have you got that far? View Quote Did that gun have lock screws? And mine is within 10,0XX. As for a front sling swivel I'm actually going to fabricate that myself. The original Model 11 riot guns had a sling swivel that was screwed right into the magazine tube cap. I don't want to permanently alter mine seeing as they're nigh impossible to find. If I could just order up a spare cap I'd drill that. Plan is to make essentially a flat steel washer with a band integral to it for the sling and I'll slot it so it can interface with the cap retainer detent. |
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Originally Posted By RetroJaxGuy:
Did that gun have lock screws? And mine is within 10,0XX. As for a front sling swivel I'm actually going to fabricate that myself. The original Model 11 riot guns had a sling swivel that was screwed right into the magazine tube cap. I don't want to permanently alter mine seeing as they're nigh impossible to find. If I could just order up a spare cap I'd drill that. Plan is to make essentially a flat steel washer with a band integral to it for the sling and I'll slot it so it can interface with the cap retainer detent. View Quote I'm not entirely certain if it had lock screws or not. But it has the same scalloped ends on the butt stock where it meets the receiver as yours has. Frankly, after my bud snatched it up, my attention kinda drifted. He's been seriously looking for one for quite a while, while my own interest has been a little half-hearted, so it's only right he ended up with it. Thank you for the ideas for a front swivel. Seeing those two so close together has thrown a hankering on me. I'd had in mind an old Ithaca pump but rapidly thinking otherwise now. |
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Originally Posted By Andouille:
I'm not entirely certain if it had lock screws or not. But it has the same scalloped ends on the butt stock where it meets the receiver as yours has. Frankly, after my bud snatched it up, my attention kinda drifted. He's been seriously looking for one for quite a while, while my own interest has been a little half-hearted, so it's only right he ended up with it. Thank you for the ideas for a front swivel. Seeing those two so close together has thrown a hankering on me. I'd had in mind an old Ithaca pump but rapidly thinking otherwise now. View Quote Happy to help. Does that mean I get to stay? I'll definitely post updates as I move along with it. I understand that hankering all too well. Ever since I got to fire a friend's Auto 5 many years ago I've been in love with the old humpback autos. If for no other reason than just how cool the action is when it cycles. Always loved stuff like it, guess that's why I got drove towards working for a mechanical engineering degree. |
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Originally Posted By Andouille:
We'll save you a spot on the Group W bench. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6c/37/2b/6c372b502a7adec6090524c771f3d35b.jpg View Quote "We're all mad here". Said the Cat. "How do you know I'm mad"? Said Alice. "You wouldn't have come here if you weren't". |
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