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Posted: 6/18/2014 1:15:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigRix:
That should read stock not shock. As in original. Sorry for the confusion I knew that - just razzing you.  Beautiful shotgun BTW - very jealous.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2014 1:29:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigRix:
According to the info in that link my barrel code is KO which is May 1977. Frame serial has a T prefix which was used from 1974 to 1977. Frame suffix is a V which indicates 2 3/4" 12 Ga. I'm gonna call this one a 1977 with an original barrel. It has a Choat mag extension. <a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Remington%20870P/008F681A-51A1-46C8-9CBD-175AC6FE2C22_zpsvut9e7an.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Remington%20870P/008F681A-51A1-46C8-9CBD-175AC6FE2C22_zpsvut9e7an.jpg</a> I think I want to return it to shock. Can anyone tell me what parts I need to change? I imagine the spring and the cap but is there anything else? Would the original cap have had a sping swivel like this? http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/874/874844.jpg That's an aftermarket cap, should work fine though. Remington original factory mag cap: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/909250.htm Spring retainer: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1319440A.htm Magazine spring http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/800100-01AA.htm ^^two parts you need in addition to whichever mag cap you decide to use Front swivel for factory mag cap: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/327654/uncle-mikes-quick-detachable-sling-swivel-set-pump-semi-automatic-shotguns-requires-cap-modification-except-browning-2000-winchester-1400-ithaca-37-savage-30-sears-21-stevens-pump-1-black |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 1:45:58 PM EDT
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44Echo10 - thanks for posting the link to the sling swivel, I need one myself for my cheap CHinese 870 clone. (Hawk 982) Yeah I know, I know, but Cerberus gets the parts for 870s now from the same factory in China and charges 2X what this cost. ($200 SHIPPED.) I'm frankly pretty impressed by the damn thing, and have read quite abit about the metallurgy and comparison to new Remingtons. Now the older Remingtons are a completely different matter...well worth the extra money. For a truck gun though, the Hawk works.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2014 1:51:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morg308:
44Echo10 - thanks for posting the link to the sling swivel, I need one myself for my cheap CHinese 870 clone. (Hawk 982) Yeah I know, I know, but Cerberus gets the parts for 870s now from the same factory in China and charges 2X what this cost. ($200 SHIPPED.) I'm frankly pretty impressed by the damn thing, and have read quite abit about the metallurgy and comparison to new Remingtons. Now the older Remingtons are a completely different matter...well worth the extra money. For a truck gun though, the Hawk works. The three headed hound from hell owns them too.  I won't hold it against you for trying to save a buck, sadly, a damn dollar is hard to come by these days.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10:
The three headed hound from hell owns them too. I won't hold it against you for trying to save a buck, sadly, a damn dollar is hard to come by these days.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10:
Originally Posted By Morg308:
44Echo10 - thanks for posting the link to the sling swivel, I need one myself for my cheap CHinese 870 clone. (Hawk 982) Yeah I know, I know, but Cerberus gets the parts for 870s now from the same factory in China and charges 2X what this cost. ($200 SHIPPED.) I'm frankly pretty impressed by the damn thing, and have read quite abit about the metallurgy and comparison to new Remingtons. Now the older Remingtons are a completely different matter...well worth the extra money. For a truck gun though, the Hawk works. The three headed hound from hell owns them too. I won't hold it against you for trying to save a buck, sadly, a damn dollar is hard to come by these days.Yeah, I hate giving that company my money. I bought a Hogue synthetic stock set for it, only to find when I went to pull the original synthetic furniture off that it was MUCH stouter and better designed than the Hogue stuff, which was absolutely flimsy in comparison. The thickness of the stock reminds me of the Sully stock, and it has threaded brass inserts where the Hogue just uses screws into the plastic.  I was totally shocked, but the Chinese furniture is way nicer. Most 870 parts other than the barrel assy will work on this thing. I feel a little like a traitor, but why would I support Cerborus to get the same gun for $200 more?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:19:38 AM EDT
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Check out Grov-Tec for USA made slings and swivels. It's the original Uncle Mike's crew.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2014 11:45:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
[#7]
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1XH77aYuBI2MWhWbDlTUkNHN2s/edit?pli=1
TM 9-285 Shotguns, All Types Sept 21, 1942 |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 8:49:52 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1XH77aYuBI2MWhWbDlTUkNHN2s/edit?pli=1 Awesome!! I need to print that out. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2014 4:42:29 PM EDT
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Good technical manual, printed it off, very good info.
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Posted: 9/11/2014 7:35:26 PM EDT
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There is a beautiful condition Ithaca 37 Police Special 5rd slam fire parkerized no game scene oil finished walnut shotgun here in town here in Colo Spgs for $500, IM me for its location, not mine, not affiliated with shop selling it.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:42:34 PM EDT
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So, I just lucked into a Stevens 77d yesterday from a relative. I was hoping to get the 77e buttstock, but I can't find one anywhere. The gun I got appears to have the wrong buttstock anyways as it does not sit flush with the receiver. Maybe 1/4-1/3'' off from the receiver. I don't guess anyone has a standard or a 77e buttstock laying around they'd be willing to sell?
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MA, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:38:00 PM EDT
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OK, so I'm giving in and want to build a retro shotty. Going to go for a clone USMC or USAF 870.
Am I correct in thinking I need to get my hands on an older 2 3/4 choke 870 Wingmaster to start with? Non checked forend and a non rubber butt pad stock? |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 9:37:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shadow4Golf]
[#13]
Saw these come up for sale recently
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/pair-of-savage-military-69r-h-12-gauge-shotguns-s6452/ |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 9:59:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coctailer]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow4Golf:
Saw these come up for sale recently http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/pair-of-savage-military-69r-h-12-gauge-shotguns-s6452/ That's pretty sweet. made it hot |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2014 10:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kaiserman: OK, so I'm giving in and want to build a retro shotty. Going to go for a clone USMC or USAF 870. Am I correct in thinking I need to get my hands on an older 2 3/4 choke 870 Wingmaster to start with? Non checked for end and a non rubber butt pad stock?  |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 10:35:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coctailer]
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By Shadow4Golf:
Saw these come up for sale recently http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/pair-of-savage-military-69r-h-12-gauge-shotguns-s6452/ That's pretty sweet. made it hot FIFY
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:01:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradystribling16:
So, I just lucked into a Stevens 77d yesterday from a relative. I was hoping to get the 77e buttstock, but I can't find one anywhere. The gun I got appears to have the wrong buttstock anyways as it does not sit flush with the receiver. Maybe 1/4-1/3'' off from the receiver. I don't guess anyone has a standard or a 77e buttstock laying around they'd be willing to sell? Just spotted one on eBay this morning. Not mine or anyone I know. Search for Stevens 77E or item # 111469295971 |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYes a Wingmaster is correct. 21 inch barrel I believe for the USMC MK21, and 20 inch for the USAF 870. The barrels are very hard to find, and the adapters are almost impossible, especially the MK21. Good luck! Thanks. I found a 1959 870 2 3/4 28" mod barrel, non rubber pad stock for $355. That should be a good start after the barrel gets chopped, right? Is it a sin to cut down a 59 870? |
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Posted: 9/25/2014 2:17:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coldbore141]
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Just Picked up an original #s matching Stevens 520-30 WWII Trencher to go with my repro/custom 1913 & 1914 riot guns, Todays music just ain't got the same soul.
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Posted: 9/25/2014 3:27:46 PM EDT
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His & Hers Hotel security pack
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Posted: 9/26/2014 1:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coldbore141:
His & Hers Hotel security pack
http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj420/quiktrigger/20140925_142612_zps6a0ee714.jpg http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj420/quiktrigger/20140925_143234_zps0506b89c.jpg NICE!  Love the 520 humpbacks.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2014 6:40:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cherenkov]
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My 520 humpback is a faux trench - Now I want one with a plain barrel like that! ETA is that your M35A2 in your avatar? I had three I had to sell all for kids college!
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2014 7:15:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov:
My 520 humpback is a faux trench - Now I want one with a plain barrel like that! ETA is that your M35A2 in your avatar? I had three I had to sell all for kids college! http://<a href=http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/DSCN2116_zpsf9994e7c.jpg</a>" /> Nice looking group of Stevens shotties. I used to love driving the deuce and a half, either the M35A2 or the 109, would always forget the three to four shift pattern was funky and skip fourth and go to fifth.  They didn't care, never missed a beat.
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MA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:28:16 PM EDT
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Well I bought what I think is a late 60's or early 70's 870 Wingmaster with a 20" barrel, fixed cylinder choke and bead sights tonight at a local auction for $175. can't pick it up until next week. Going to be a USMC MKII clone. Now I'm on the hunt for the elusive bayo lug adapter.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:37:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kaiserman:
Well I bought what I think is a late 60's or early 70's 870 Wingmaster with a 20" barrel, fixed cylinder choke and bead sights tonight at a local auction for $175. can't pick it up until next week. Going to be a USMC MKII clone. Now I'm on the hunt for the elusive bayo lug adapter. You'll likely score a bag of rocking horse poop or rope a skittles shitting unicorn first, but then I'm a pessimist. I truly wish you the best in your endeavor. There was a rumor in the shotgun forum of an upcoming repro a few years back, nothing ever came of it.  I was wanting one myself.
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MA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:13:51 PM EDT
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Well that was quick I found one!
Now to just sell off that extra kidney to afford it.... 870 bayonet adapter |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:19:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kaiserman:
Well that was quick I found one! Now to just sell off that extra kidney to afford it.... 870 bayonet adapter Yeah, the prices suck when you do find one. I hope you get one, Bro.
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MA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10:
I hope you get one, Bro.Lol, me to, just not for that much! |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2014 8:17:50 AM EDT
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Pic if it.
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Posted: 9/27/2014 1:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kaiserman:
Pic if it. http://<a href=http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/102_zps75d506df.jpg</a>" /> That does not suck. Looks cut down, but who cares? I like it!
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MA, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2014 1:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morg308:
That does not suck. Looks cut down, but who cares? I like it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By Kaiserman:
Pic if it. http://<a href=http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/102_zps75d506df.jpg</a>" /> That does not suck. Looks cut down, but who cares? I like it! It didn't look cut down in person, but with as old as it is who knows? Can't really see it in the pic, but the bead sight is still there. There where also two mid 70's 18.5" 870's there as well. Should have bought one of those. They went for $175 each. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2014 10:45:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kaiserman:
Pic if it. http://<a href=http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/102_zps75d506df.jpg</a>" /> Very nice, K-man |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2014 1:31:31 PM EDT
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Remington engineers firing the model 7188. I saw this posted on another forum, so don't know any other info.
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Posted: 10/1/2014 10:13:04 AM EDT
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Sorry to get off Subject, Yes the Deuce is mine, yes the 1919 is real. These pics were taken at the local Memorial Day Parade. The fellow in the pic is a mentor, friend (Marine Corp Vietnam Vet) and a just all around great guy. (some of you probably know (of) him)
Generally Speaking, If I'm not working I am shooting, Trailing and some times trailing to get to a better place to shoot. So the ATV's I have serve purpose...
My Camel's: M53A2, Jeep Wrangler on 33's, RZR900S, HUV4213, and of coarse the F-150, Barring Cliffs and extreme gorges I can get there and make the shot... 
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NY, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2014 12:35:57 PM EDT
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Looks like a nice Retro ride. Completely compatible with retro ARs and shotguns.
I miss my M35A2 and M109 Deuces - but kids gotta go to college and i had to sacrifice one hobby. Call me crazy, but I really miss it when I smell a diesel truck go by my car in traffic! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coldbore141:
Sorry to get off Subject, Yes the Deuce is mine, yes the 1919 is real. These pics were taken at the local Memorial Day Parade. The fellow in the pic is a mentor, friend (Marine Corp Vietnam Vet) and a just all around great guy. (some of you probably know (of) him) http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj420/quiktrigger/20140526_093737_zps407f766a.jpg http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj420/quiktrigger/20140522_181342_zpsba43f04b.jpg Generally Speaking, If I'm not working I am shooting, Trailing and some times trailing to get to a better place to shoot. So the ATV's I have serve purpose...
My Camel's: M53A2, Jeep Wrangler on 33's, RZR900S, HUV4213, and of coarse the F-150, Barring Cliffs and extreme gorges I can get there and make the shot... |
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Posted: 10/1/2014 5:37:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RebelRouser]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kaiserman:
Well that was quick I found one! Now to just sell off that extra kidney to afford it.... 870 bayonet adapter That's a 1st Gen one piece bayonet adapter. Try finding the Gen 2 two piece. If you took Remington 870 Mil/LE armours course, you could actually buy them for $10. When Freedom Group bought Remington anything that wasn't in the current catalog got thrown out including the bayonet adapters. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2014 6:29:57 PM EDT
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I was able to pick the shotgun up today. Barrel dates to 12/70. It was probably a police gun. It's got a sticker under the recoil pad marking it as property of the town of Boylston MA. Barrel looks un-cut. I can still see milling marks. Other than some bluing loss on the barrel and slide it's pretty nice.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2014 10:08:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevejness:
Remington engineers firing the model 7188. I saw this posted on another forum, so don't know any other info. http://i.imgur.com/o7zxM7F.jpg The guy demonstrating it is dressed like Elmer Fudd! "Take that, you wascally wabbitt!" |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2014 5:50:30 AM EDT
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Funny, everything in that photo dates it except the gun. Guns have such a long useful, style and market lifespan, they don't look as dated as other items.
I like the haircuts, You could set your watch to those guys haircuts! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigSkyBound:
The guy demonstrating it is dressed like Elmer Fudd! "Take that, you wascally wabbitt!" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigSkyBound:
Originally Posted By stevejness:
Remington engineers firing the model 7188. I saw this posted on another forum, so don't know any other info. http://i.imgur.com/o7zxM7F.jpg The guy demonstrating it is dressed like Elmer Fudd! "Take that, you wascally wabbitt!" |
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Posted: 10/4/2014 7:25:28 PM EDT
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Do any of you guys know (or have a picture showing) what the correct sling swivel is for the buttstock of a military Remington 870?
Thanks! |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2014 7:50:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stevejness]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jntmjt1:
Do any of you guys know (or have a picture showing) what the correct sling swivel is for the buttstock of a military Remington 870? Thanks! It is the same swivel that came on some of the 40x rifles, also same as on the M40. They aren't too hard to find yet. 
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Posted: 10/4/2014 8:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevejness:
It is the same swivel that came on some of the 40x rifles, also same as on the M40. They aren't too hard to find yet. http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae357/ohearchai/M40swivel004.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevejness:
Originally Posted By jntmjt1:
Do any of you guys know (or have a picture showing) what the correct sling swivel is for the buttstock of a military Remington 870? Thanks! It is the same swivel that came on some of the 40x rifles, also same as on the M40. They aren't too hard to find yet. http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae357/ohearchai/M40swivel004.jpg Thanks very much. If you have a source for one of these swivels, please let me know. Thank you! John Thomas |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2014 8:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jntmjt1:
Thanks very much. If you have a source for one of these swivels, please let me know. Thank you! John Thomas Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jntmjt1:
Originally Posted By stevejness:
Originally Posted By jntmjt1:
Do any of you guys know (or have a picture showing) what the correct sling swivel is for the buttstock of a military Remington 870? Thanks! It is the same swivel that came on some of the 40x rifles, also same as on the M40. They aren't too hard to find yet. http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae357/ohearchai/M40swivel004.jpg Thanks very much. If you have a source for one of these swivels, please let me know. Thank you! John Thomas Back when I was looking, they would show up on ebay or gunbroker pretty regularly. That's the only place I've seen them. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2014 9:24:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jntmjt1:
If you have a source for one of these swivels, please let me know. Numrich's has them under Remington 513T's. SWIVEL |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 5:42:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jntmjt1]
[#45]
Guys,
I'm helping a friend with a Stevens Model 77E reproduction, and we've hit a snag with the correct sling swivels. Do any of you guys have a couple of the correct sling swivels that you'd be willing to sell or trade? A picture of the type of swivel I need is below (photo not mine... found on google.com). Thank you! John Thomas 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 8:12:55 PM EDT
[#46]
Yeah - I need a couple too dang it!
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KY, USA
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Posted: 10/7/2014 9:16:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Im looking for one as well. Ok 2 of them.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/8/2014 8:13:58 PM EDT
[#48]
45 years and never seen such a swivel.
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MA, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:14:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kaiserman]
[#49]
Here is my progress so far. Got the old varnish stripped off and have rubbed several coats of BLO onto the furniture. The stock came out beautifully. The end of the stock (under the recoil pad) is marked with a metal adhesive tag with "Property of the Town of Bolyston MA" on it.
The sling swivel is the correct swivel that would have been shipped with the bayonet adapter kit from Remington. I guess the barrel has been cut. Measured with a cleaning rod down to the closed bolt I got 20 1/8". I can see concentric rings on the end of the barrel, like it was done on a mill or lathe, so maybe factory? I called Remington with the serial number and all they could tell me is that is was made in 1970 and is for a 12g. Since the barrel is dated 1970 they are probably original to each other. The adapter is an NOS AF/NAVY/PD model, and an NOS? seat belt sling completes the look. I may have it parked in the future. If I do I'll have the extra little bit of barrel removed at the same time. 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2014 12:10:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kaiserman:
Here is my progress so far. Got the old varnish stripped off and have rubbed several coats of BLO onto the furniture. The stock came out beautifully. The end of the stock (under the recoil pad) is marked with a metal adhesive tag with "Property of the Town of Bolyston MA" on it. The sling swivel is the correct swivel that would have been shipped with the bayonet adapter kit from Remington. I guess the barrel has been cut. Measured with a cleaning rod down to the closed bolt I got 20 1/8". I can see concentric rings on the end of the barrel, like it was done on a mill or lathe, so maybe factory? I called Remington with the serial number and all they could tell me is that is was made in 1970 and is for a 12g. Since the barrel is dated 1970 they are probably original to each other. The adapter is an NOS AF/NAVY/PD model, and an NOS? seat belt sling completes the look. I may have it parked in the future. If I do I'll have the extra little bit of barrel removed at the same time. <a href="http://s9.photobucket.com/user/CRNJG/media/Shotguns/P1011360_zps19306dc3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/Shotguns/P1011360_zps19306dc3.jpg</a> <a href="http://s9.photobucket.com/user/CRNJG/media/Shotguns/P1011361_zps2b3f3762.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/Shotguns/P1011361_zps2b3f3762.jpg</a> <a href="http://s9.photobucket.com/user/CRNJG/media/Shotguns/P1011362_zps22ec1cd5.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/Shotguns/P1011362_zps22ec1cd5.jpg</a> <a href="http://s9.photobucket.com/user/CRNJG/media/Shotguns/P1011363_zps4c278d6a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/Shotguns/P1011363_zps4c278d6a.jpg</a> <a href="http://s9.photobucket.com/user/CRNJG/media/Shotguns/P1011364_zpsa08947de.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/CRNJG/Shotguns/P1011364_zpsa08947de.jpg</a> Awesome!! Looks great. Congrats on locating the bayo adapter. After seeing the Jeep in the background, I now understand the moniker Kaiserman....unless your surname is Kaiser. Any more pics of the Jeep. We like old stuff around here.
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