Ok, I have two Anderson lowers sitting around and I've always wanted an AR SBR and/or a pistol.

So yesterday, thanks to a post here, I bought a 10.5 upper from hardened arms.

My plan for right now is to get a lpk, kak shockwave blade and tube, angled for grip, tac light, ir laser, PA acss red dot and magnifier.

From what I've read that should get me to the OAL requirement.

In the near future I ld like to SBR it so I can add a very grip (I know, shame on me) and actually shoulder the stock.

Am I correct in understand I simply need to get a trust, engrave the lower, and wait for the stamp?

I don't have to worry I have extra lowers, or that the lower I'm using started out as the pistol, or that I have spare stocks around for my 16 inch AR's?

And I read on the shockwave website that I can put the blade to my cheek. Is that legit?  Must be since its on their site, correct?

Thanks all. I swear I read other threads but I'd rather not take chances with big brother, even though these laws are all BS to begin with.

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The only federal "OAL requirement" is 26" if you want to use a vertical forward grip, which you don't mention in parts list. And if that is the plan, then no, that KAK tube won't quite get you there with a 10.5" barrel.

- OS

Also just to add this about the KAK tube. Even with an 11.5" barrel you will come up 1/4" short. 12.5" and KAK tube is good to go though.

Yes, that is what I meant. I'm won't use the vertical grip until I get the tax stamp.

So I can't use the blade, kak tube, and a 10.5 inch barrel and reach 26 overall inches?  I thought I saw a bunch of pistols with the set up in the pistol pic thread? Like this: Pic

Plus isn't there a new multi position kak tube which allows the blade to be extended?

There's no  VFG in that pic link.

Also, no pistol brace has ever been ruled as contributing to legal OAL.

- OS

Yes. I won't be adding any vertical grip (maybe an angle grip) until or if I ever turn it into a legal SBR

I'm not being a smart ass here, I'm just ignorant....so is the 26 inches achieved by the barrel and receiver/lower?  Or all of these people using braces/blades to reach 26 inches and hoping they don't get pinched?

Sorry again for the questions.

You need to obtain 26" if you want a vertical grip and under 16" barrel. (most states, not including CA)  

Under 26" is a pistol and need to use an angle grip. Measure end of barrel (not including removable muzzle device) to end of buffer tube (not including arm brace).

One way to get to the 26" is with either of the KAK Super Tubes (not the one for the Blade). It plus 10.3 or 10.5 inch barrel gets you past it.



- OS

Ah. Ok. This is what I was looking for.

As of now this is going to be a pistol with maybe an angle grip so I can go with the list of parts I thought I could. Thanks guys!

what about adding a LAW side-folding adapter to increase the OAL?

Never have had a ruling whether it becomes a part of the firearm so that it would count. Any more than does a buffer tube itself on a handgun that doesn't need it for operation.

Ironically perhaps, the whole issue of the 26" is the difference between "concealability" or not. And a folding mechanism would then make a "non-concealable" firearm "concealable". But on the other hand, folding and extensible stocked rifles are measured at full extent and not folded either, at least federally.

- OS

It's 26" fro the end of the buffer tube to the muzzle before muzzle device.  Unless you pin the muzzle.  Moving parts don't count.  I would just do the pistol and call it a day.  A vertical foregrip isnt that much different than an angled.  More advantages in most states to keep it a pistol.

Yeah, that's said a lot here. But never seen it in writing from the ATF.

Matter of fact, a friend of mine has a letter suggesting that not only would a buffer tube on a firearm that doesn't require count (AK) but that the folding part and brace on it does too. So if that's actually the ATF line on things, shouldn't be any different for an AR, eh?

https://d2kyvj3kvr3yw0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/atf-ak-ar15-buffer-tube-2015-02-11.pdf

- OS