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Posted: 12/3/2015 5:10:29 AM EDT
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I bet you only use one hand on your handguns as well "per ATF". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet you only use one hand on your handguns as well "per ATF". Yep. |
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Posted: 12/3/2015 9:17:51 AM EDT
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Hard to prove that, but since: "The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign”.... Pretty easy to prove that with testimony of witnesses or video. But they don't want this in court, they'll settle for their traditional intimation culture. - OS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ha ha ha Who "intends" to shoulder it? I don't!... Intent doesn't matter any more according to Mad Max, only whether you actually do it. - OS from the link above, the ATF letter mentions "intends". I guess the thought police will arrest us for intending to shoulder it. Hard to prove that, but since: "The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign”.... Pretty easy to prove that with testimony of witnesses or video. But they don't want this in court, they'll settle for their traditional intimation culture. - OS I am pretty sure we all know that. My point was the word "intends". Intentions mean nothing. We all intend to use it as designed. Dont you? LOL. The ATF are fucking clowns. That is my point. Shouldering it in a video is not intended, it is actually breaking the law. |
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Posted: 12/10/2015 4:18:49 PM EDT
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I don't believe you will ever see a Shockwave brace made for a carbine extension. The criteria for a buffer tube for a AR-15 pistol is that a regular stock (fixed or collapseable) cannot fit on the tube. That is why buffer tubes for pistols are larger in diameter than regular buffer tubes. If shockwave created a blade that fit on a regular extension, then I believe the ATF would shut them down due to the confusion it would create and how it would blur the line between a brace and a stock. I would just buy one of the KAK tubes and put it on your rifle. As far as I know, it's not against current law to place a pistol buffer tube on a rifle as long as the overall length is reduced below the federally mandated minimum length. Where did you hear that? I think I've read letters saying you can use a car tube or rifle extension, just not put the stock on it. |
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Posted: 12/10/2015 8:56:43 PM EDT
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cannot find them on their website...can someone IM me a link...ops does not work
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Posted: 12/10/2015 9:29:09 PM EDT
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Where did you hear that? I think I've read letters saying you can use a car tube or rifle extension, just not put the stock on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't believe you will ever see a Shockwave brace made for a carbine extension. The criteria for a buffer tube for a AR-15 pistol is that a regular stock (fixed or collapseable) cannot fit on the tube. That is why buffer tubes for pistols are larger in diameter than regular buffer tubes. If shockwave created a blade that fit on a regular extension, then I believe the ATF would shut them down due to the confusion it would create and how it would blur the line between a brace and a stock. I would just buy one of the KAK tubes and put it on your rifle. As far as I know, it's not against current law to place a pistol buffer tube on a rifle as long as the overall length is reduced below the federally mandated minimum length. Where did you hear that? I think I've read letters saying you can use a car tube or rifle extension, just not put the stock on it. Wrong. You can use a standard buffer tube legally on a pistol lower. Dave N |
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Posted: 12/10/2015 9:37:41 PM EDT
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cannot find them on their website...can someone IM me a link...ops does not work Sold out and will not be getting any more according to the distributor. Dave N |
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Posted: 12/10/2015 10:24:42 PM EDT
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Wrong. You can use a standard buffer tube legally on a pistol lower. Dave N Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't believe you will ever see a Shockwave brace made for a carbine extension. The criteria for a buffer tube for a AR-15 pistol is that a regular stock (fixed or collapseable) cannot fit on the tube. That is why buffer tubes for pistols are larger in diameter than regular buffer tubes. If shockwave created a blade that fit on a regular extension, then I believe the ATF would shut them down due to the confusion it would create and how it would blur the line between a brace and a stock. I would just buy one of the KAK tubes and put it on your rifle. As far as I know, it's not against current law to place a pistol buffer tube on a rifle as long as the overall length is reduced below the federally mandated minimum length. Where did you hear that? I think I've read letters saying you can use a car tube or rifle extension, just not put the stock on it. Wrong. You can use a standard buffer tube legally on a pistol lower. Dave N I am afraid you are wrong. Here is the ATF Letter on the matter. Please read the last paragraph very carefully. That is why receiver extensions for pistols are larger in diameter to avoid running into trouble with the ATF. 
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Posted: 12/10/2015 11:11:44 PM EDT
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I am afraid you are wrong. Here is the ATF Letter on the matter. Please read the last paragraph very carefully. That is why receiver extensions for pistols are larger in diameter to avoid running into trouble with the ATF. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/18_Zulu/atf_letter.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't believe you will ever see a Shockwave brace made for a carbine extension. The criteria for a buffer tube for a AR-15 pistol is that a regular stock (fixed or collapseable) cannot fit on the tube. That is why buffer tubes for pistols are larger in diameter than regular buffer tubes. If shockwave created a blade that fit on a regular extension, then I believe the ATF would shut them down due to the confusion it would create and how it would blur the line between a brace and a stock. I would just buy one of the KAK tubes and put it on your rifle. As far as I know, it's not against current law to place a pistol buffer tube on a rifle as long as the overall length is reduced below the federally mandated minimum length. Where did you hear that? I think I've read letters saying you can use a car tube or rifle extension, just not put the stock on it. Wrong. You can use a standard buffer tube legally on a pistol lower. Dave N I am afraid you are wrong. Here is the ATF Letter on the matter. Please read the last paragraph very carefully. That is why receiver extensions for pistols are larger in diameter to avoid running into trouble with the ATF. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/18_Zulu/atf_letter.jpg A helpful warning to protect the stupid. And like many ATF rulings, "correct but incomplete". It still takes an attachable stock with no useful purpose other than to make an NFA firearm to be in violation. Same condition for possession of a short barrel or vertical forward grip. This is all completely clear if you understand the Thompson Decision as regards "possessive construction". Here are two more I had handy, a bit more descriptive, yet both still incomplete in actual fact. However, they both clearly refute your contention as some sort of absolute: "When assembling a stripped receiver, can a standard carbine buffer tube (no stock attached) be used in place of a pistol buffer tube for a legal pistol? Yes, a carbine receiver which is designed to house the buffer and buffer spring may be used. However, modifications made to this assembly for other than its intended purpose could be construed as the making of a shoulder stock. - Earl Griffith, 2/25/2013" "You further inquire whether you must use a short buffer tube designed for an AR with a collapsible buttstock or whether usinag a standard buffer tube would be permissible. With respect to buffer tubes, the use of either buffer tube you describe is permissible. However possessing a rifle buttstock that could redily be installed on your pistol could constitute possession of a short-barreled rifle." - Sterling Nixon 11/30/2004 - OS |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 2:10:03 AM EDT
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I am afraid you are wrong. Here is the ATF Letter on the matter. Please read the last paragraph very carefully. That is why receiver extensions for pistols are larger in diameter to avoid running into trouble with the ATF. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/18_Zulu/atf_letter.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't believe you will ever see a Shockwave brace made for a carbine extension. The criteria for a buffer tube for a AR-15 pistol is that a regular stock (fixed or collapseable) cannot fit on the tube. That is why buffer tubes for pistols are larger in diameter than regular buffer tubes. If shockwave created a blade that fit on a regular extension, then I believe the ATF would shut them down due to the confusion it would create and how it would blur the line between a brace and a stock. I would just buy one of the KAK tubes and put it on your rifle. As far as I know, it's not against current law to place a pistol buffer tube on a rifle as long as the overall length is reduced below the federally mandated minimum length. Where did you hear that? I think I've read letters saying you can use a car tube or rifle extension, just not put the stock on it. Wrong. You can use a standard buffer tube legally on a pistol lower. Dave N I am afraid you are wrong. Here is the ATF Letter on the matter. Please read the last paragraph very carefully. That is why receiver extensions for pistols are larger in diameter to avoid running into trouble with the ATF. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/18_Zulu/atf_letter.jpg You're wrong, a standard rifle or carbine tube/extension can be used. I have it saved at home, but I snagged it from our BATF'&E' Letters Thread |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 8:48:56 AM EDT
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I am afraid you are wrong. Here is the ATF Letter on the matter. Please read the last paragraph very carefully. That is why receiver extensions for pistols are larger in diameter to avoid running into trouble with the ATF. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/18_Zulu/atf_letter.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't believe you will ever see a Shockwave brace made for a carbine extension. The criteria for a buffer tube for a AR-15 pistol is that a regular stock (fixed or collapseable) cannot fit on the tube. That is why buffer tubes for pistols are larger in diameter than regular buffer tubes. If shockwave created a blade that fit on a regular extension, then I believe the ATF would shut them down due to the confusion it would create and how it would blur the line between a brace and a stock. I would just buy one of the KAK tubes and put it on your rifle. As far as I know, it's not against current law to place a pistol buffer tube on a rifle as long as the overall length is reduced below the federally mandated minimum length. Where did you hear that? I think I've read letters saying you can use a car tube or rifle extension, just not put the stock on it. Wrong. You can use a standard buffer tube legally on a pistol lower. Dave N I am afraid you are wrong. Here is the ATF Letter on the matter. Please read the last paragraph very carefully. That is why receiver extensions for pistols are larger in diameter to avoid running into trouble with the ATF. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/18_Zulu/atf_letter.jpg [u]You might want to check the updated letter. 2/13 |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 10:33:33 AM EDT
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I got one from Amazon with 10% off for using my Chase Freedom cc. Best deal I could find now.
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