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Posted: 12/17/2014 9:25:04 PM EDT

Just put phase 5 tube on and pulled up and it's useless. Eotech sits too low on it for one. Second, to shoulder, if I had a brace wouldn't work as face would be right on the EOtech also. Very discouraged. $$$$$ wasted it feels like. But it is pretty lol. That is all

Posted: 12/17/2014 9:28:16 PM EDT

[#1]

- Like on most ARs need a riser for the optic

- use longer buffer tube which also has adjustment options for the brace

- OS

Posted: 12/17/2014 9:31:51 PM EDT

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If you want to raise the Eotech, throw it on a Larue LT110.

Can't help you with your face being too close, didn't realize that was a problem with the sig brace.

Posted: 12/17/2014 9:55:23 PM EDT

[#3]

I have no issues using the Etowah 512 on my 5.56 pistol using a Phas 5 tube a spacer and the brace.

Posted: 12/17/2014 10:16:17 PM EDT

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Or hold it out at arms length like the pistol it is...

Posted: 12/17/2014 10:21:43 PM EDT

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Just put phase 5 tube on and pulled up and it's useless. Eotech sits too low on it for one. Second, to shoulder, if I had a brace wouldn't work as face would be right on the EOtech also. Very discouraged. $$$$$ wasted it feels like. But it is pretty lol. That is all

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I hate to see you upset....I'll give you $100 for that useless junk.

Posted: 12/17/2014 11:04:43 PM EDT

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Just put phase 5 tube on and pulled up and it's useless. Eotech sits too low on it for one. Second, to shoulder, if I had a brace wouldn't work as face would be right on the EOtech also. Very discouraged. $$$$$ wasted it feels like. But it is pretty lol. That is all

I hate to see you upset....I'll give you $100 for that useless junk.

+1. Looks like you have money to spare anyhow. lol

Posted: 12/18/2014 12:04:11 AM EDT

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You can put either a KAK super tube or Guntec tube on and get a longer length of pull.

Definitively get a riser for your optic.

Posted: 12/18/2014 12:17:23 AM EDT

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I went with the Thordsen buffer tube cover and CAA saddle kit.

I have been an avid opponent to pistols but have to say I really like it.

11.5" BCM upper, AIM sling, and SLAP plate. It seems very handy and shoulders well too with me being 6' 6" tall.

Posted: 12/18/2014 1:35:12 AM EDT

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You can fudge a bit with a stock by putting the toe against your shoulder and it raises the sight line. That gets it up taller and a riser might not be needed. With only a buffer tube and no way to attach a flat vertical surface then you are stuck with the tube only has high as it fits. The riser - or two - fixes it.

Straight line AR design has always had that issue, a shot gun with normal stock has enough drop to get the barrel mounted sights up enough to see them. As far as length of pull issues affect the Eotech a cantilever riser would get the sight further forward. Lots of people run long eye relief optics out on the barrel, It's not like there's a long sight radius involved to mess up.

The pistol is fine, what needs adjustment is how it fits you and what you need to do about it

Posted: 12/18/2014 2:09:00 AM EDT

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Dude, are you indexing the foam pad against your cheek, or trying to shoulder the tip of the buffer? You're citing problems that shouldn't exist, and can be addressed with minimal equipment if they somehow did. I use an Eotech xps2 without any riser, and now have a Sparc set to full co witness. Also there are 3 or 4 products you could use in conjunction with the Sig brace to increase LOP.

Posted: 12/18/2014 9:08:59 AM EDT

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Dude, are you indexing the foam pad against your cheek, or trying to shoulder the tip of the buffer? You're citing problems that shouldn't exist, and can be addressed with minimal equipment if they somehow did. I use an Eotech xps2 without any riser, and now have a Sparc set to full co witness. Also there are 3 or 4 products you could use in conjunction with the Sig brace to increase LOP.

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Expected something different I suppose. Rested cheek on foam and that puts red the holo in line of sight but then it's not held against anything. Idk

Posted: 12/18/2014 10:11:40 AM EDT

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Longer buffer tube+SIG brace+optics riser= problem solved.

Far from "useless". You've already dumped a shit-load of money into it. A few more calories burned and shekels spent to fix the problems and you'll be right as rain.

Posted: 12/18/2014 10:17:11 AM EDT

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Also, check out this thread. May be of some help to you:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/663515_Question_about_the_pistol_buffer_tubes_for_the_Sig_Brace_.html

Posted: 12/18/2014 10:18:01 AM EDT

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Don't shoot chicken wing, or put an A2 tube on it.

Posted: 12/18/2014 12:46:31 PM EDT

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This!

Stamp it for $200 and put your shoulder into it if you don't like the pistol.

Posted: 12/18/2014 12:59:26 PM EDT

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Don't shoot chicken wing? I count about a dozen just in this quick search: https://www.google.com/search?q=3+Gun+shooters&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=6AWTVM7tLcqdNoDagrgI&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAw&biw=1024&bih=515

Some preach one way, another does it his way. Shoot a championship one way or the other and all you should here is "Congratulations." Not "if you hadn't shot chicken wing you might have beaten them by another X points."

As for paying the $200 stamp fee, the point of the pistol is to avoid it, the annual permission form to take it out of state, the state requirement to carry it unloaded in the trunk, and most of all, to prove it can all be done better without a flat vertical surface that tradition bound shooters are used to. The gun is identical in every other way, shoot it enough to understand how to.

We don't need no stinkin stamps.

Posted: 12/18/2014 1:14:11 PM EDT

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Man up and hold a cheek weld.
If a girl can do it so can you! She even uses an eotech.

Posted: 12/18/2014 1:34:01 PM EDT

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If a girl can do it so can you! She even uses an eotech.

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Nice collection and nice looking chick shooting. Guess I'll try that first. I just didn't realize the phase 5 tube was so short

Posted: 12/18/2014 2:19:43 PM EDT

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Don't shoot chicken wing? I count about a dozen just in this quick search: https://www.google.com/search?q=3+Gun+shooters&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=6AWTVM7tLcqdNoDagrgI&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAw&biw=1024&bih=515

Some preach one way, another does it his way. Shoot a championship one way or the other and all you should here is "Congratulations." Not "if you hadn't shot chicken wing you might have beaten them by another X points."

As for paying the $200 stamp fee, the point of the pistol is to avoid it, the annual permission form to take it out of state, the state requirement to carry it unloaded in the trunk, and most of all, to prove it can all be done better without a flat vertical surface that tradition bound shooters are used to. The gun is identical in every other way, shoot it enough to understand how to.

We don't need no stinkin stamps.

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I don't see any chicken wings in that search. This is chicken winging:

Posted: 12/18/2014 7:09:45 PM EDT

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The first thing to realise is that you have an AR Pistol and you are attempting to shoot it like a Rifle, It's not a Rifle its a pistol. I'm not going to talk about SIG Braces, The way I shoot my AR Pistol is the same way the young lady in the post above is shooting hers, except I use a sling to help stabalize it. I use a two point sling, Attached at the rear of the lower reciever and the left side of the Handgaurd (I'm right handed), I run the sling over my right shoulder, across my back and coming up under my left arm. I then push on the pistol causing the sling to tension and place the last 3" of the buffer tube against my right cheek. For me it is a very stable set up and gives decent accuracy for 50yds or closer. If you want long range accuracy, use a rifle. A short barreled AR Pistol with a SIG brace and a KAK tube will extend Pistol accuracy by a substantial amount. I don't use a SIG brace, also don't fault those that do, I consider myself a Pistol Purist (LOL).

Posted: 12/18/2014 7:13:59 PM EDT

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You need to learn to shoot it

Posted: 12/19/2014 10:59:25 AM EDT

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It's very natural to pick it up and try to shoulder it. I believe after a few times of taking it out I'll get used to it. Haven't torqued barrel but yet so can't go shoot until I buy a wrench and vise block but been walking by and grabbing it to mimick firing position and it's beginning to feel better and better. May use EOTECH on another ar and get a sparc with high mount for this one. Thanks for the input guys

Posted: 12/19/2014 12:44:00 PM EDT

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The sling concept of driving the weapon forward to help stablize it does work very well!

A really good suggestion is swap your grip for a more vertical grip. (Like the grip23 is what I prefer).
But there are several adjustable ones now on the market to choose from.

That will really help your wrist be more natural that close in. Look at the angle of the grips compared to the black rifle in that picture to see what I mean.

Example.

Posted: 12/19/2014 1:02:58 PM EDT

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Expected something different I suppose. Rested cheek on foam and that puts red the holo in line of sight but then it's not held against anything. Idk

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Dude, are you indexing the foam pad against your cheek, or trying to shoulder the tip of the buffer? You're citing problems that shouldn't exist, and can be addressed with minimal equipment if they somehow did. I use an Eotech xps2 without any riser, and now have a Sparc set to full co witness. Also there are 3 or 4 products you could use in conjunction with the Sig brace to increase LOP.

Expected something different I suppose. Rested cheek on foam and that puts red the holo in line of sight but then it's not held against anything. Idk

Well, it's not designed to be shouldered really, but I know that's the natural tendency. It's a more stable platform when shouldered, but using the cheek as a third point of contact does stabilize it to the point you can get good groups for standing. However, most people build pistols to shoot <50yds. Put up some silhouette targets and run through a few drills shooting it <30 yds with your cheek on the foam - you'll see there is more than enough combat accuracy for shorter range, and it's the funnest AR you can shoot without the addition of a giggle switch or slide fire device.

Shooting from a rest and indexing the rail on some type of platform, your pistol should be just as accurate as a rifle up to about 200 yds.

Posted: 12/19/2014 1:17:31 PM EDT

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Well that's good news as its in .300 blk and actually built for my son once he gets big enough to hunt/shoot

Posted: 12/19/2014 1:33:38 PM EDT

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I have a rock river with prs stock on it and grip with palm shelf so I was curious what it would look like so photoshopped it on the pistol upper and it looked so wicked. Lol. May be adding the stanp later with those accessories depending how he's able to use it

Posted: 12/19/2014 1:33:39 PM EDT

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- use longer buffer tube which also has adjustment options for the brace

- OS

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You only need a riser on an Eotech if you've got some seriously chubby chipmunk cheeks...

OP, if you want to keep it a pistol, just bite the bullet and buy a Sig brace and add a spacer for a better length of pull.

Also, a more vertical grip will make it much more comfortable with a short length of pull. Something like the MOE K2, or BCM gunfighter grips.

Posted: 12/19/2014 6:40:32 PM EDT

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You only need a riser on an Eotech if you've got some seriously chubby chipmunk cheeks...

OP, if you want to keep it a pistol, just bite the bullet and buy a Sig brace and add a spacer for a better length of pull.

Also, a more vertical grip will make it much more comfortable with a short length of pull. Something like the MOE K2, or BCM gunfighter grips.

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- Like on most ARs need a riser for the optic

- use longer buffer tube which also has adjustment options for the brace

- OS

You only need a riser on an Eotech if you've got some seriously chubby chipmunk cheeks...

OP, if you want to keep it a pistol, just bite the bullet and buy a Sig brace and add a spacer for a better length of pull.

Also, a more vertical grip will make it much more comfortable with a short length of pull. Something like the MOE K2, or BCM gunfighter grips.

Yep, agree, upright grip is a huge ergonomic improvement for a short LOP firearm. Your wrist, elbow, and shoulder will thank you. There's a reason the traditional AK grip angle is what it is. LOP with Warsaw stock is 13". LOP with even a KAK tube with brace not offset is just under 12", anything under that is just personally unacceptable to moi.

- OS