Probably 100 times.  I must be dumb, but nowhere in there did I see anything about it being okay to put a vert grip on a pistol even if it IS longer than 26".  Can someone show me the light? Or, where are people getting this from?

Thanks

http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

Last two paragraphs especially.

It's okay to do, but it stops being a pistol and rather a 'firearm' when you put a VFG on.
IIRC when you take the VFG off legally becomes a pistol again, unlike with a stock.

So if the AR pistol is over 26" in length.... you have to file and pay $$ to place this vert grip on it?

Heck I just measured my 10.5" AR Pistol just now, it's 28 inches.....

No, where did you read that in this thread?

It's a "firearm"
not a "pistol"
not a "AOW"
not a "SBR"

A "firearm"

ATF's words, and I know the ATF tech branch is full of window lickers, but they're the ones that make the "rules".

Measurement must not include the muzzle device.  End of buffer tube to end of barrel only.

Unless the muzzle device is pinned/welded.

Weird. So a 10.5" with a Sig brace if over 26" is not a pistol, but a "firearm" with a vert grip. Whatever I guess.

correct but if you take the vert of it is once again a pistol, if you put it back on, poof its a firearm.... once again pop it off and you have a pistol once more

The brace has nothing to do with it, btw, and of course doesn't figure into OAL.

- OS

I get that. I was using that as an example.

The thread should include an "*"

Why does a VFG turn a "firearm" into a pistol if removed?  It's still a firearm because it's over 26."

Then you could point to the federal definition that states that, eh?

(Hint: no definitions have changed, including the one for "handgun" - there is no min/max OAL to be considered a handgun/pistol)

- OS

I like Magpuls AFG and it happens to be legal on a pistol of any length.

I was going to ask this -  the angled foregrips are legal on any length pistol?  
the only difference being vertical (form required and $200) vs. angled (no form, no money, happy gun owner)

just clarifying
thanks

Oh it's one of these things "when size matters".

so the answer to my question is YES - angled foregrips are legal on any size pistol
right?  :)

Yes.

thanks

No.
A pistol is designed to be fired with one hand.
If you have a pistol with OAL greater than 26", it is still a pistol if it has no VFG.
When you attach a VFG, it is no longer designed to be fired with one hand, and, since it is not designed to be fired from the shoulder (has no stock so not an SBR), and is not a smooth bore (AOW), it becomes defined as a firearm.
When you remove the VFG, it reverts to being desinged to be fired with one hand and reverts to a pistol.
The 26" aspect determines whether it is concealable or not concealable, greater than 26" is not concealable and therefore (with a VFG) a firearm.

Barrel shorter than 16" and overall length of firearm is under 26" = pistol
Barrel shorter than 16" and overall length of firearm is greater than 26"= pistol

Barrel shorter than 16" and overall length of firearm is under 26" with angled fore grip = pistol
Barrel shorter than 16" and overall length of firearm is greater than 26" with angled fore grip = pistol

Barrel shorter than 16" and overall length of firearm is under 26" with vertical fore grip = AOW.  Illegal unless you register it and pay the tax stamp
Barrel shorter than 16" and overall length of firearm is greater than 26" with vertical fore grip = firearm. There's is no restrictions on owning a "firearm" classified weapon so it's legal without registration or paperwork

If you remove the vertical fore grip in that last example, it turns it back into a pistol.  The vertical grip is what turns a pistol over 26" into a "firearm" or an "AOW" if it's under 26"

What equals 26"?  You measure from the crown of the barrel NOT COUNTING THE MUZZLE BRAKE UNLESS IT'S PINNED AND WELDED all the way to the end of the buffer tube.  If it's greater than 26", then you can add a VFG on with no paperwork.