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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:24:28 AM EDT
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Anyone run a 12-14" barrel? Just thinking about how I want to go on this build. Will be a dedicated hunting gun for a special deer season. Just wondered if a barrel in that length would be good in a 6x45? If you are thinking about a 14", why not just go with a 14.5" pinned? That way you have the stock options and what not.. And for the 12".. why not go with a 11.5"? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:07:58 PM EDT
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Because I'm unsung it in a special handgun season
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:17:59 PM EDT
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I agree go with a 14.5" pinned. A pistol upper can be any length, as long as it designed to be fired by one hand it is a pistol.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:22:31 PM EDT
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I ran a 16" dissy when my lower was set up as a pistol.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:43:53 PM EDT
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I agree go with a 14.5" pinned. A pistol upper can be any length, as long as it designed to be fired by one hand it is a pistol. Yeah, as long as MO doesn't have some law about handgun barrel or overall length max, especially as relates to hunting regs. For example, TN has a definition in statutes that "handgun" has less than 12" barrel. Not that it's illegal to have one longer than that, and without saying exactly what they'd like to call one with longer barrel than that of course. Seems it could only possibly figure into the carry permit law here, as you can't carry anything but a "handgun" and we don't have any kind of handgun only hunting season. Matter of fact, you can go after bear with a .32 mouse gun legally if you want to, go figure. - OS |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 3:29:10 AM EDT
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Yeah, as long as MO doesn't have some law about handgun barrel or overall length max, especially as relates to hunting regs. For example, TN has a definition in statutes that "handgun" has less than 12" barrel. Not that it's illegal to have one longer than that, and without saying exactly what they'd like to call one with longer barrel than that of course. Seems it could only possibly figure into the carry permit law here, as you can't carry anything but a "handgun" and we don't have any kind of handgun only hunting season. Matter of fact, you can go after bear with a .32 mouse gun legally if you want to, go figure. - OS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I agree go with a 14.5" pinned. A pistol upper can be any length, as long as it designed to be fired by one hand it is a pistol. Yeah, as long as MO doesn't have some law about handgun barrel or overall length max, especially as relates to hunting regs. For example, TN has a definition in statutes that "handgun" has less than 12" barrel. Not that it's illegal to have one longer than that, and without saying exactly what they'd like to call one with longer barrel than that of course. Seems it could only possibly figure into the carry permit law here, as you can't carry anything but a "handgun" and we don't have any kind of handgun only hunting season. Matter of fact, you can go after bear with a .32 mouse gun legally if you want to, go figure. - OS And MI, has one about having overall length not to exceed 26" , so in some states barrel length does matter on a State level. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:43:37 PM EDT
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And MI, has one about having overall length not to exceed 26" , so in some states barrel length does matter on a State level. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I agree go with a 14.5" pinned. A pistol upper can be any length, as long as it designed to be fired by one hand it is a pistol. Yeah, as long as MO doesn't have some law about handgun barrel or overall length max, especially as relates to hunting regs. For example, TN has a definition in statutes that "handgun" has less than 12" barrel. Not that it's illegal to have one longer than that, and without saying exactly what they'd like to call one with longer barrel than that of course. Seems it could only possibly figure into the carry permit law here, as you can't carry anything but a "handgun" and we don't have any kind of handgun only hunting season. Matter of fact, you can go after bear with a .32 mouse gun legally if you want to, go figure. - OS And MI, has one about having overall length not to exceed 26" , so in some states barrel length does matter on a State level. You (or anyone) know the penalty for violating that up there? Or is it just a definitional thang like here in TN, might just affect use with a carry permit or using for hunting? - OS |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:48:18 PM EDT
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Anyone run a 12-14" barrel? Just thinking about how I want to go on this build. Will be a dedicated hunting gun for a special deer season. Just wondered if a barrel in that length would be good in a 6x45? I run a 12" pistol with a SIGTAC brace. am currently building another around a 12.5 Noveske Crusader barrel. 11.5 to 12.5 is the sweet spot for ballistics and compactness IMO. Here in Texas they remain a pistol unless I put a vertical grip on them. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:21:25 PM EDT
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... Here in Texas they remain a pistol unless I put a vertical grip on them. Texas has specific state law regarding the VFG, they don't accede to federal regs on stuff like that? - OS |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:43:28 PM EDT
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Texas has specific state law regarding the VFG, they don't accede to federal regs on stuff like that? - OS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Here in Texas they remain a pistol unless I put a vertical grip on them. Texas has specific state law regarding the VFG, they don't accede to federal regs on stuff like that? - OS No state law regarding the VFG, think Brutus was referring to Fed law. His pistols are over 26", and become a "firearm" when he puts a VFG on 'em. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:52:04 PM EDT
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No state law regarding the VFG, think Brutus was referring to Fed law. His pistols are over 26", and become a "firearm" when he puts a VFG on 'em. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Here in Texas they remain a pistol unless I put a vertical grip on them. Texas has specific state law regarding the VFG, they don't accede to federal regs on stuff like that? - OS No state law regarding the VFG, think Brutus was referring to Fed law. His pistols are over 26", and become a "firearm" when he puts a VFG on 'em. He said "unless I put a VFG on them" and both of his mentioned would be well over 26", so that's why I wondered. - OS |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:55:37 PM EDT
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He said "unless I put a VFG on them" and both of his mentioned would be well over 26", so that's why I thought that. - OS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Here in Texas they remain a pistol unless I put a vertical grip on them. Texas has specific state law regarding the VFG, they don't accede to federal regs on stuff like that? - OS No state law regarding the VFG, think Brutus was referring to Fed law. His pistols are over 26", and become a "firearm" when he puts a VFG on 'em. He said "unless I put a VFG on them" and both of his mentioned would be well over 26", so that's why I thought that. - OS Texas has no specific laws regarding pistols. Just the fed law stating that if over 26" oal a pistol would change into a firearm if a vert grip was installed and if under 26" the pistol would turn into a AOW and would require a stamp |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 8:13:16 AM EDT
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Texas has no specific laws regarding pistols. Just the fed law stating that if over 26" oal a pistol would change into a firearm if a vert grip was installed and if under 26" the pistol would turn into a AOW and would require a stamp Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Here in Texas they remain a pistol unless I put a vertical grip on them. Texas has specific state law regarding the VFG, they don't accede to federal regs on stuff like that? - OS No state law regarding the VFG, think Brutus was referring to Fed law. His pistols are over 26", and become a "firearm" when he puts a VFG on 'em. He said "unless I put a VFG on them" and both of his mentioned would be well over 26", so that's why I thought that. - OS Texas has no specific laws regarding pistols. Just the fed law stating that if over 26" oal a pistol would change into a firearm if a vert grip was installed and if under 26" the pistol would turn into a AOW and would require a stamp and any special law regards to "firearm"? legal everywhere? |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 8:23:39 AM EDT
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and any special law regards to "firearm"? legal everywhere? Not that I know of. Its just ATF voodoo as far as I know |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 8:52:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and any special law regards to "firearm"? legal everywhere? One type of "firearm" is not legal in Texas - the PG shotgun w/ 26" OAL, but sub-18" bbl. Our gun laws are simpler than the NFA, so that got left out. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 3:56:40 PM EDT
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Not that I know of. Its just ATF voodoo as far as I know Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and any special law regards to "firearm"? legal everywhere? Not that I know of. Its just ATF voodoo as far as I know Isn't your permit like ours, only covers "handgun"? That could be a possible gotcha, if indeed Texas generally knows the federal difference and wanted to make an issue. - OS |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 7:17:48 PM EDT
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Maybe, but Texas doesn't regulate the carrying of long arms, only pistols. I've carried a rifle in my backpack on the train, perfectly legal. We don't have a category in our law for the Federal "firearm" definition. And it's not ATF voodoo - it's NFA voodoo. Blame FDR.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 2:28:21 AM EDT
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Isn't your permit like ours, only covers "handgun"? That could be a possible gotcha, if indeed Texas generally knows the federal difference and wanted to make an issue. - OS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and any special law regards to "firearm"? legal everywhere? Not that I know of. Its just ATF voodoo as far as I know Isn't your permit like ours, only covers "handgun"? That could be a possible gotcha, if indeed Texas generally knows the federal difference and wanted to make an issue. - OS Yep , just pistols. That is one drawback as opposed to an sbr or a bullpup rifle. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 2:35:30 AM EDT
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Maybe, but Texas doesn't regulate the carrying of long arms, only pistols. I've carried a rifle in my backpack on the train, perfectly legal. We don't have a category in our law for the Federal "firearm" definition. And it's not ATF voodoo - it's NFA voodoo. Blame FDR. Ya I know but when I think NFA I think BATF as both are a waste of resources and they come as a set. I used to carry a loaded AUG in plain sight on the passenger seat of my commuter car, can't do that with a pistol according to local sheriff. |
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