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Posted: 11/27/2013 5:42:45 PM
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https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=4115

I wonder if this is OK with the ATF like the Magpul AFG.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 6:25:14 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By hanschien:
https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=4115

I wonder if this is OK with the ATF like the Magpul AFG.


Wow thats interesting...Looks like an angled fore grip to me...Idk if they made their ruling with a specific angle in mind, if so, that may be an issue as it looks more vertical than any other AFG ive seen, but looks okay.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 7:19:53 PM
Its not vertical, that is for sure.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 10:40:38 PM
Looks like the work of the Devil
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Posted: 11/27/2013 11:17:55 PM
It's an AFG bottle opener.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 11:34:17 PM
I would bet no because it looks like you could get your thumb through it.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 5:31:51 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By click_bang:
I would bet no because it looks like you could get your thumb through it.



Don't think that would matter as the law was based upon being vertical, regardless your point is valid in regards to getting your thumb ripped off your hand when it gets stuck in that gap and you accidentally take a tumble. Looks very....should I say .... Euro!
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Posted: 11/28/2013 11:43:07 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By hanschien:
https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=4115

I wonder if this is OK with the ATF like the Magpul AFG.
Why don't you ask them?
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Posted: 1/5/2014 3:11:53 PM
Just remember to couch your reference & terminology to read - angled fore grip...- and maybe include the link -or- a copy of the BATFE correspondence letter that implies that the Magpul -branded- AFG as of no consequence so far as affecting the status of the AR pistol being considered a -handgun- and in NO WAY implied as being a rifle because of the incorporation of the angled fore grip.....

[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By iNeXile556:
Originally Posted By hanschien:
https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=4115

I wonder if this is OK with the ATF like the Magpul AFG.
Why don't you ask them?

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Posted: 1/5/2014 8:00:39 PM
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Dup post.

Course the previous one degraded pretty quickly into a pissing match of non-answers and poor advice, so it doesn't seem as if there is a firm answer yet.

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Posted: 1/5/2014 8:54:29 PM
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You're not going to get a definitive answer without asking the definitive source - the ATF. But with that said, its not a vertical grip, Fortis has a vertical grip that looks nothing like that.

My money is on it being legal for pistols.
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Posted: 1/6/2014 3:02:35 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By mphilman321:
You're not going to get a definitive answer without asking the definitive source - the ATF. But with that said, its not a vertical grip, Fortis has a vertical grip that looks nothing like that.

My money is on it being legal for pistols.


I am with you on that. I am preparing to send a letter. Even though I have been told that I was fear-mongering and that to just assume that it was legal, to me its not worth the 10 years in the pokey.

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Posted: 1/6/2014 3:06:23 PM
It is cool and all, but I wish it had a hand stop built in.
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Posted: 1/6/2014 4:50:19 PM
While very Euro as stated earlier and rather nice looking, but it's a lawsuit waiting to happen when the thing rips someones finger off. Fortis will be sued....you heard it here first.

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Posted: 1/6/2014 5:06:58 PM
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Too me it looks like an angled grip with an incorporated short stock at an angle below the bore. My guess is that it would be denied for use on pistols, but ATF has never published a definitive interpretation of what a grip is (or short stock at an angle below the bore). They also have never addressed hand guards on pistols which are primarily used for keeping your hand from getting hot while holding the pistol with the off hand. At least that's how New York views hand guards (what they call a barrel shroud).
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Posted: 1/23/2014 10:51:40 PM
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I have a question about this one , Not being a vertical grip but being a magwell funnel / magwell grip ......It would work for me as i have large hands and cant quite get a grip on the Magpul Afg

http://store.commandarms.com/products/MGRIP1.html
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Posted: 1/24/2014 2:28:28 PM
Not this again.…


The Fortis AFG is about a 2/3 the size of a Magpul AFG and is definitely NOT a vertical grip nor can it be used as such. That 'hook' is just big enough for your pinky finger.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 3:13:30 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Not this again.…
<a href="http://s157.photobucket.com/user/snwbrdrcr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/snwbrdrcr/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg</a>

The Fortis AFG is about a 2/3 the size of a Magpul AFG and is definitely NOT a vertical grip nor can it be used as such. That 'hook' is just big enough for your pinky finger.


It's not your call. That grip has not been approved. There has been no technical letter with Fortis Shift in the body that has been posted on this board or any other (that I can find). I'm pretty good with multiple search engines and that includes text searches within PDF files.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZIV9oKbYSM
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Posted: 1/24/2014 3:49:06 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Yelpers:
Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Not this again.…
<a href="http://s157.photobucket.com/user/snwbrdrcr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/snwbrdrcr/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg</a>

The Fortis AFG is about a 2/3 the size of a Magpul AFG and is definitely NOT a vertical grip nor can it be used as such. That 'hook' is just big enough for your pinky finger.


It's not your call. That grip has not been approved. There has been no technical letter with Fortis Shift in the body that has been posted on this board or any other (that I can find). I'm pretty good with multiple search engines and that includes text searches within PDF files.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZIV9oKbYSM


Then stop wasting your time using your 'google-fu' and just contact the ATF. The original consensus was that their ruling was based upon the angle of the grip, but you're welcome to prove everybody else wrong.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 4:14:51 PM
Does adding this make it a Short Barreled Assault Pistol?
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Posted: 1/24/2014 4:28:23 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By ScoeyAz:
Does adding this make it a Short Barreled Assault Pistol?
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:12:28 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Originally Posted By Yelpers:
Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Not this again.…
<a href="http://s157.photobucket.com/user/snwbrdrcr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/snwbrdrcr/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg</a>

The Fortis AFG is about a 2/3 the size of a Magpul AFG and is definitely NOT a vertical grip nor can it be used as such. That 'hook' is just big enough for your pinky finger.


It's not your call. That grip has not been approved. There has been no technical letter with Fortis Shift in the body that has been posted on this board or any other (that I can find). I'm pretty good with multiple search engines and that includes text searches within PDF files.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZIV9oKbYSM


Then stop wasting your time using your 'google-fu' and just contact the ATF. The original consensus was that their ruling was based upon the angle of the grip, but you're welcome to prove everybody else wrong.


The grip has not been approved for pistols. There is no original consensus; there are only technical letters, of which the Fortis Shift is not included.

There's no difference in the design of these grips. One is short and the other isn't.




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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:26:42 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Yelpers:
Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Originally Posted By Yelpers:
Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Not this again.…
<a href="http://s157.photobucket.com/user/snwbrdrcr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/snwbrdrcr/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg</a>

The Fortis AFG is about a 2/3 the size of a Magpul AFG and is definitely NOT a vertical grip nor can it be used as such. That 'hook' is just big enough for your pinky finger.


It's not your call. That grip has not been approved. There has been no technical letter with Fortis Shift in the body that has been posted on this board or any other (that I can find). I'm pretty good with multiple search engines and that includes text searches within PDF files.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZIV9oKbYSM


Then stop wasting your time using your 'google-fu' and just contact the ATF. The original consensus was that their ruling was based upon the angle of the grip, but you're welcome to prove everybody else wrong.


The grip has not been approved for pistols. There is no original consensus; there are only technical letters, of which the Fortis Shift is not included.

There's no difference in the design of these grips. One is short and the other isn't.

https://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/8afe120cb962fa741100d4d338021343.jpg



One can be gripped, like a grip. The other you hold at an angle, as the name implies. Obvious grip styles are obvious.

The above is not offered as legal advise and should not be implied as such.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:44:01 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Rick_A:
Originally Posted By Yelpers:
Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Originally Posted By Yelpers:
Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
Not this again.…
<a href="http://s157.photobucket.com/user/snwbrdrcr/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/snwbrdrcr/Mobile%20Uploads/image-8.jpg</a>

The Fortis AFG is about a 2/3 the size of a Magpul AFG and is definitely NOT a vertical grip nor can it be used as such. That 'hook' is just big enough for your pinky finger.


It's not your call. That grip has not been approved. There has been no technical letter with Fortis Shift in the body that has been posted on this board or any other (that I can find). I'm pretty good with multiple search engines and that includes text searches within PDF files.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZIV9oKbYSM


Then stop wasting your time using your 'google-fu' and just contact the ATF. The original consensus was that their ruling was based upon the angle of the grip, but you're welcome to prove everybody else wrong.


The grip has not been approved for pistols. There is no original consensus; there are only technical letters, of which the Fortis Shift is not included.

There's no difference in the design of these grips. One is short and the other isn't.

https://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/8afe120cb962fa741100d4d338021343.jpg



One can be gripped, like a grip. The other you hold at an angle, as the name implies. Obvious grip styles are obvious.

The above is not offered as legal advise and should not be implied as such.


We can go back to the ZIP 2 pistol again (from the other thread) if you'd like; but again, it does not matter what a manufacturer calls something.

But I'll try to explain with an example. Let's begin.

Here's a question for you. Does one need to register a suppressor with the ATF?
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Posted: 1/24/2014 6:30:47 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By snwbrdrcr:
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Your posts so far are inaccurate and non-constructive. It's a yes or no question, feel free.
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